Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[tmar]

Different type and colour of car and she was alone.

I didn't mean it was the same woman.
Letting folk know, women are also involved.

 

[Bohemian]

I didn't mean it was the same woman.
Letting folk know, women are also involved.

No problem, tmar. You’re right, women are sometimes involved. Not only in my next door neighbour’s case but in the recent attempted abduction in Melbourne:

Woman charged after allegedly snatching child from Melbourne driveway

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Girl, 8, dropped off after ‘kidnap, rape’

MmmmWellington NSW

A TRADESMAN in his mid-50s kidnapped an eight-year-old girl in regional NSW before raping her and returning her an hour later to the spot he’d abducted her from, NSW Police say.

Detectives also allege he produced child abuse material in the short time he held the girl captive after taking her in Wellington, near Dubbo, on Saturday afternoon.
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Paedophile Anthony Jones has 90 OFFENCES on his criminal record | Daily Mail Online

His crimes, carried out in Sydney, Wellington, Bathurst, Dubbo and Port Macquarie, span four decades and include assaulting women, stealing, and escaping police custody, The Daily Telegraph reported.

Where was AJ in Dec 2017?

 

[Bohemian]

Paedophile Anthony Jones has 90 OFFENCES on his criminal record | Daily Mail Online

His crimes, carried out in Sydney, Wellington, Bathurst, Dubbo and Port Macquarie, span four decades and include assaulting women, stealing, and escaping police custody, The Daily Telegraph reported.

Where was AJ in Dec 2017?

A TRADESMAN in his mid-50s kidnapped an eight-year-old girl in regional NSW before raping her and returning her an hour later to the spot he’d abducted her from, NSW Police say.

Detectives also allege he produced child abuse material in the short time he held the girl captive after taking her in Wellington, near Dubbo, on Saturday afternoon.
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Paedophile Anthony Jones has 90 OFFENCES on his criminal record | Daily Mail Online

His crimes, carried out in Sydney, Wellington, Bathurst, Dubbo and Port Macquarie, span four decades and include assaulting women, stealing, and escaping police custody, The Daily Telegraph reported.

Where was AJ in Dec 2017?

AJ’s a little bit older than 55, as is the man in papertrail’s post, though FG.

He was 59 in September 2015 (per your link), which would make him in his early 60s in 2017 when the arrest was made for the SA of the child in Dubbo.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Yes, the front yard faces Benaroon Drive ‘proper’ and the road after you turn the corner into the part of Benaroon Drive where the driveway to the garage under the house is. I would class the carport and patio as the backyard too.

May I say, how I would name it with my GER understanding: The carport is accessible from the street, the garage under the house too, therefore the driveway incl. left and right beside belongs to the front yard. The patio, where all the family members were sitting and playing and drawing and roaring and photographing, belongs to the back yard.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

AJ’s a little bit older than 55, as is the man in papertrail’s post, though FG.

He was 59 in September 2015 (per your link), which would make him in his early 60s in 2017 when the arrest was made for the SA of the child in Dubbo.

Yes, I noticed it, but as we know: the papers aren't always right.

 

[Bohemian]

May I say, how I would name it with my GER understanding: The carport is accessible from the street, the garage under the house too, therefore the driveway incl. left and right beside belongs to the front yard. The patio, where all the family members were sitting and playing and drawing and roaring and photographing, belongs to the back yard.

I like your GER understanding. That’ll do me. Front yard everywhere but the patio and surrounds. In other words everything facing Benaroon Drive is the front yard

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, I noticed it, but as we know: the papers aren't always right.

That’s true, as we’ve found out over the past (nearly) four years. It’s only 5 weeks or so until that sad anniversary comes by again. Let’s hope Jubes has some news at his next presser. Although I fear any bad news that may come.

 

[frogwell]

This was the only case I could think of when the question was 1st asked about cases involving 3 year old boy abductions from front yards, but the suspected perp is dead.
Child killer stays silent on death bed

 

[Bohemian]

This was the only case I could think of when the question was 1st asked about cases involving 3 year old boy abductions from front yards, but the suspected perp is dead.
Child killer stays silent on death bed

Thank you froggy. Almost 50 years before William’s abduction. A lifetime away.

 

[iailwa]

We still don't know whether William's abduction was a random attack or not. If planned, it was pretty clever.... i just can't see anyone being that clever (or lucky?)... not sure which....

 

[Bohemian]

We still don't know whether William's abduction was a random attack or not. If planned, it was pretty clever.... i just can't see anyone being that clever (or lucky?)... not sure which....

When you say if it was planned, what do you think would have been the motive?

 

[tmar]

We still don't know whether William's abduction was a random attack or not. If planned, it was pretty clever.... i just can't see anyone being that clever (or lucky?)... not sure which....

If perhaps planned: person A takes, passes to person B...... etc
These Creeps would have their own motives, their desires, money exchanged: all evil!

 

[iailwa]

When you say if it was planned, what do you think would have been the motive?

I was thinking a sexual motive when i wrote that, but now that i think about it, another motive would be to reunite a family, or to create a family... ??

 

[iailwa]

If perhaps planned: person A takes, passes to person B...... etc
These Creeps would have their own motives, their desires, money exchanged: all evil!

I just think the likelihood of person A snatching a child for person B - is low. Have you heard of this happening ever in Australia? Besides women snatching for their men... Now that's another idea - a couple?

 

[frogwell]

I just think the likelihood of person A snatching a child for person B - is low. Have you heard of this happening ever in Australia? Besides women snatching for their men... Now that's another idea - a couple?

Well funny you should ask, I think family and friends often help people to snatch their relatives during custodial issues and not necessarily just small children. I am privy to a few instances of this occurring. People in families and their friends feel powerless over the distress that a non custodial parent is going through. They are not healthy and decide to collude with that person to help them get what they want instead of helping them come to terms with the situation and going through the proper channels or finding acceptance. I think this happens a lot. Besides the actual networks that help people such as the Watters twin's Mother. There are a number of networks out there for men who think they can't get a fair go in an Australian court around custody, I am speculating from the hatred I have heard them sprout that they are not beyond organising child retrieval networks. IMO

 

[iailwa]

Well funny you should ask, I think family and friends often help people to snatch their relatives during custodial issues and not necessarily just small children. I am privy to a few instances of this occurring. People in families and their friends feel powerless over the distress that a non custodial parent is going through. They are not healthy and decide to collude with that person to help them get what they want instead of helping them come to terms with the situation and going through the proper channels or finding acceptance. I think this happens a lot. Besides the actual networks that help people such as the Watters twin's Mother. There are a number of networks out there for men who think they can't get a fair go in an Australian court around custody, I am speculating from the hatred I have heard them sprout that they are not beyond organising child retrieval networks. IMO

Yes definitely in custody situations... i know it happens a lot. I mean wrt sexual motives - person A taking a child for person B. Not impossible I know as it happens with child trafficking... but rural Australia isn't really a hotspot, is it? gawd, i hope not.

 

[Bohemian]

I was thinking a sexual motive when i wrote that, but now that i think about it, another motive would be to reunite a family, or to create a family... ??

How do you think that would have been achieved in each case? Sexual motive, reunification or creation of a family?

 

[Bohemian]

How do you think that would have been achieved in each case? Sexual motive, reunification or creation of a family?

I’m talking about MO.

 

[frogwell]

How do you think that would have been achieved in each case? Sexual motive, reunification or creation of a family?

sexual, always on the lookout for opportunity with a plan in mind until the opportunity presents itself. Would have played out in their head when it is too dangerous and when is less risk. reunification, could be planned or spontaneous, either not returning with a child when access is granted, having a team of people help or acting on the fly and seeing how much time you can get away with spending with said child. Creation of a family, I'm not sure. just some ideas. MOO