Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[Bohemian]

I think Spedding will be just fine. He is going after MSM and the courts for damages and costs.

Once he has his little bucketfull of money, if he gets it, he can retire far away from public scrutiny ... change his name, do most whatever he wants.

Yet another possible child sex offender skipping justice (remembering that 84% of child sex cases do not have a result without 'reasonable doubt' and acquittal, because it is a child VS an adult imo) - and this one being smart enough to utilise the law to gain monetary reward.

I can see your point.

 

[SouthAussie]

My apologies if it's already been asked and answered, but what is 'tendency evidence'?

Tendency evidence is evidence showing that the accused has a tendency to do this type of criminal act ... such as prior convictions for the behaviour.

It is particularly useful in child sex cases, where the child may not have complete recall, and/or may have trouble putting the crime into words.

 

[frogwell]

Why on earth would Homicide detectives be arresting someone on historical CSA charges? It’s the preserve of the CA&SC Squad. I think the papers got that wrong. I think they assumed they were Homicide detectives because DCI Jubelin was there. I could be wrong.

Nocookies

The allegations were reported to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.

Detectives from Strike Force Rosann, which was established after William Tyrrell disappeared last September, discovered these documents and have re-interviewed the alleged victims and other witnesses who gave evidence at the time, the court heard.

 

[SouthAussie]

If Spedding's alibi for the time of William's disappearance held true and was proved, he wouldn't be in this mess of high suspicion, a POI, with others who have been apparently assaulted by him - according to them and police files - wanting to find some justice.

imo

 

[frogwell]

If Spedding's alibi for the time of William's disappearance held true and was proved, he wouldn't be in this mess of high suspicion, a POI, with others who have been apparently assaulted by him - according to them and police files - wanting to find some justice.

imo

It is questionable to me whether BS alibi in relation to WT has held true. I think his alibi is what has been published, and SFR has decided to disregard or downplay it because he is the main person who was in contact with 48 Benaroon Dr. who has allegations against them of sexual offences against 3 year olds. I think the historical charges have driven his high profile status as a POI in WT's case. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

It is questionable to me whether BS alibi in relation to WT has held true. I think his alibi is what has been published, and SFR has decided to disregard or downplay it because he is the main person who was in contact with 48 Benaroon Dr. who has allegations against them of sexual offences against 3 year olds. I think the historical charges have driven his high profile status as a POI in WT's case. MOO

Considering that a provable alibi would clear him of abducting William in a court of law, I highly doubt that any police effort can disregard a provable alibi.

The prosecutor would not allow that, before it even got to a criminal court.

 

[frogwell]

Considering that a provable alibi would clear him of abducting William in a court of law, I highly doubt that any police effort can disregard a provable alibi.

The prosecutor would not allow that, before it even got to a criminal court.

Agreed, what I am saying is, he claimed to be at the shop in the morning and then met his wife for a coffee and then went to a school assembly. At the time WT was abducted, he was apparently in Laurieton having a coffee with his wife. she is his witness and a receipt places at least one of them at the cafe. If SFR could disprove that alibi, then they would have arrested him by now. That is what I mean by disregard or trying to find fault with his alibi. If he didn't have the historical allegations against him, I don't think the police would have stayed stuck on him trying to find holes in his statements. IMO

 

[Bohemian]

Nocookies

The allegations were reported to police at the time and are supported by case notes and medical files held for more than 25 years by at least two NSW government departments, according to a police statement of facts presented to the court.

Detectives from Strike Force Rosann, which was established after William Tyrrell disappeared last September, discovered these documents and have re-interviewed the alleged victims and other witnesses who gave evidence at the time, the court heard.

Yes, but CA&SC Squad members were part of SFR at the time. I will find a link about the makeup of the SF.

 

[iailwa]

Agreed, what I am saying is, he claimed to be at the shop in the morning and then met his wife for a coffee and then went to a school assembly. At the time WT was abducted, he was apparently in Laurieton having a coffee with his wife. she is his witness and a receipt places at least one of them at the cafe. If SFR could disprove that alibi, then they would have arrested him by now. That is what I mean by disregard or trying to find fault with his alibi. If he didn't have the historical allegations against him, I don't think the police would have stayed stuck on him trying to find holes in his statements. IMO

Not being where he said he was, is not proof of murder though. We know Aj has a shaky alabi too, but still no arrest for him. We have no idea whether BS's or TJ's alibi checked out or not, & if they didn't, whether there is enough evidence for SFR to arrest either.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, but CA&SC Squad members were part of SFR at the time. I will find a link about the makeup of the SF.

Link:

Hopes fade of finding little William Tyrell alive as sex crimes squad joins the hunt for him on NSW mid north coast
Neil Keene, The Daily Telegraph
September 16, 2014 9:38am
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

‘But he said there were still no concrete leads for investigators in Strike Force Rosann to follow.

“They want to assist the family in being able to locate young William and at least bring them back something that they are desperately seeking,” he said.

Officers from the Sex Crimes Squad of the NSW Police State Crime Command joined the investigation yesterday.

Detectives from the specialist squad were deployed from Sydney to head up a strike force of more than 30 officers, including local detectives and investigators from further afield.’

 

[SouthAussie]

At the time WT was abducted, he was apparently in Laurieton having a coffee with his wife. she is his witness and a receipt places at least one of them at the cafe.

If he didn't have the historical allegations against him, I don't think the police would have stayed stuck on him trying to find holes in his statements. IMO

RSBM

When a wife is providing an alibi for a husband, she is presumed to have an inherent bias. Something that a prosecutor will highlight in court.

There needs to be independent confirmation of the alibi. Which should not be too difficult in this case, especially considering the public nature (in a small town) of the alibi.

As an example, Kathy Lin went to great lengths to support her husband's alibi, both in and out of court, an alibi which was eventually disproved as we all know.

Loyal wife keeps smiling - and provides alibi for night of murders

 

[SouthAussie]

As far as I can see, the receipt for two coffees (if there is such a thing that specifies two coffees, and not just prices) could easily be for Margaret and the friend who apparently attended the assembly with them ... according to ole Col.

Because I am not understanding why the friend - and others - could not verbally provide independent confirmation that could support Spedding's alibi (no photos required).


The friend said Mr Spedding and his wife then walked across the road to Laurieton Public School to attend a presentation for their grandson.
He told Daily Mail Australia Mr Spedding said he had also attended the presentation with a family friend who was taking photos.
William Spedding claims he had nothing to do with William Tyrell disappearance | Daily Mail Online

 

[frogwell]

The onus is on the police to disprove, not BS to prove.

 

[SouthAussie]

The onus is on the police to disprove, not BS to prove.

Yes, I totally get that. Still stands that the alibi has not been proved ... independently .... and Spedding ruled out. And that is his biggest problem. imo

 

[frogwell]

Police knew that the dates for the sexual assault of the children in the historical charges was in question, when they tried to argue that it was not possible for there to be another perpetrator in their assault. they also knew that other perpetrators background and why his parole was revoked the same month as the girls were assulted. And yet they argued against it in the bail appeal hearing. Why?

 

[Bohemian]

Police knew that the dates for the sexual assault of the children in the historical charges was in question, when they tried to argue that it was not possible for there to be another perpetrator in their assault. they also knew that other perpetrators background and why his parole was revoked the same month as the girls were assulted. And yet they argued against it in the bail appeal hearing. Why?

Links please froggy.

 

[frogwell]

[QU
The court was told the girls had been examined by a medical practitioner who found physical evidence of sexual assault.

Spedding's solicitor, Peter O'Brien, told the court a "known paedophile", who had been convicted of child abduction, had access to the alleged victims around the time of the alleged offence.

Neither the "known paedophile" nor the girls can be named for legal reasons.

Mr O'Brien also said the claims had been previously investigated by police and no charges had been laid.

"The Crown case is not a strong case," Mr O'Brien said.

He also suggested the girls had been "coached" and "tutored" by another adult to make allegations against Spedding.

However, Crown prosecutor Rosa Sharma told the court the "known paedophile" was not responsible for the sexual assaults because he was in prison at the time of the alleged offences.

"The [paedophile] was out of the picture. He was in jail."

Court told Bill Spedding not responsible for child sexual assaults


OTE="Bohemian, post: 14273549, member: 159912"]Links please froggy.[/QUOTE]

 

[iailwa]

[QU
The court was told the girls had been examined by a medical practitioner who found physical evidence of sexual assault.

Spedding's solicitor, Peter O'Brien, told the court a "known paedophile", who had been convicted of child abduction, had access to the alleged victims around the time of the alleged offence.

Neither the "known paedophile" nor the girls can be named for legal reasons.

Mr O'Brien also said the claims had been previously investigated by police and no charges had been laid.

"The Crown case is not a strong case," Mr O'Brien said.

He also suggested the girls had been "coached" and "tutored" by another adult to make allegations against Spedding.

However, Crown prosecutor Rosa Sharma told the court the "known paedophile" was not responsible for the sexual assaults because he was in prison at the time of the alleged offences.

"The [paedophile] was out of the picture. He was in jail."

Court told Bill Spedding not responsible for child sexual assaults


OTE="Bohemian, post: 14273549, member: 159912"]Links please froggy.

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[Bohemian]

The court was told the girls had been examined by a medical practitioner who found physical evidence of sexual assault.

Spedding's solicitor, Peter O'Brien, told the court a "known paedophile", who had been convicted of child abduction, had access to the alleged victims around the time of the alleged offence.

Neither the "known paedophile" nor the girls can be named for legal reasons.

Mr O'Brien also said the claims had been previously investigated by police and no charges had been laid.

"The Crown case is not a strong case," Mr O'Brien said.

He also suggested the girls had been "coached" and "tutored" by another adult to make allegations against Spedding.

However, Crown prosecutor Rosa Sharma told the court the "known paedophile" was not responsible for the sexual assaults because he was in prison at the time of the alleged offences.

"The [paedophile] was out of the picture. He was in jail."

Court told Bill Spedding not responsible for child sexual assaults

I thought the dilemma was over dates. That the known paedophile who had access to the girls was jailed in January of whatever year it was, yet the girls were examined in March-April of the same year and found to have been sexually assaulted? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[SouthAussie]

Police knew that the dates for the sexual assault of the children in the historical charges was in question, when they tried to argue that it was not possible for there to be another perpetrator in their assault. they also knew that other perpetrators background and why his parole was revoked the same month as the girls were assulted. And yet they argued against it in the bail appeal hearing. Why?

Was his parole revoked in the same month as the assault on the girls? I don't know that it was, and that is why the prosecution argued against it.

6 June 1984 - JH goaled.
19 Dec 1986 - released
29 Jan 1987 - parole revoked

Spedding is accused of sexually assaulting the two girls, aged three and six, in a caravan at Campbelltown in April/May 1987.

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