Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[papertrail]

Re the discussion Spedding drove by a police search zone on 5 march 2015. His vehicle was photographed unfortunately without xray vision there is NO proof Spedding was in fact driving the vehicle or even in the said vehicle.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Were the locals informed prior to the Heuston Mitchell road police search that a search was going to be conducted there? If not, then how is there anyway of knowing that you should pick a different route for the day so as to not attract attention to yourself?

Then it was just bad luck for BS. Like for poor Daniel N. in Colorado .....

 

[papertrail]

Somewhere along the line, Spedding decided to do all he could to get out from under public suspicion. imo

The spin from ole Col. The video loaded up on YouTube. The character declarations. The continued public denials. The defamation suits. And now going for court costs.

Interestingly, there has been no public comment on the result of the historical child sex trial(s). Maybe he is not accessible for comment? You would think he would want anything favourable out there, in the public arena ... but I guess it may not be entirely favourable.

He knows his alibi and actions during the day that William disappeared are very suspect. He cannot prove his alibi, likely for good reason. imo
He must know/suspect what kind of mobile trail, CCTV trail, other evidence the police have on him.
He must be very aware of what keeps him a primary POI.

I think he is a very wily character, and some people underestimate his all-round manipulations.

Very dangerous to give character testiment as no one ever really knows anyone. A bit like a working with children certificate only verifies the applicant has never been convicted. You can get one even if you are a prime suspect!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

As I said before, I do not think he would be a POI, if the historical allegations were not in the mix. I don't think he could avoid being put on the news. I have no idea what it would be like to be in that position, splashed all over the news, advised not to speak and yet it might be the only chance to speak up for yourself. Don't know if naive come into it. MOO

bbm
Not only the historical allegations came into the mix but also a fresh investigation in non-historical (IMO) matters by FACS/caused by FACS. Maybe that would have been enough to suspect him to be a POI, after police learned that fact.

 

[SouthAussie]

Re the discussion Spedding drove by a police search zone on 5 march 2015. His vehicle was photographed unfortunately without xray vision there is NO proof Spedding was in fact driving the vehicle or even in the said vehicle.

I think it is probable that journalists saw him leaving his home, just prior to him driving past the search site. The journalists seem to have been at his home when Gary Jubelin arrived a few minutes after Spedding left.

Unless Spedding stopped and gave the van to someone else to drive right after leaving his home, I think it was him driving his van past the search site.

Caption right under the picture: A few minutes after Mr Spedding left his home (pictured) the head of the investigation, homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, was seen arriving at his house

There is even a picture in the link showing him waving at the journos, at the same time as this picture above was taken.

Police visit home of Bill Spedding in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

 

[papertrail]

This is what I’ve been wondering. Who was/is she?

The 1987 timing appears to be when Margaret come on scene so too Youngberry and his spouse who is Margaret's cousin. Process of elimination to me makes the accuser BS ex wife.

BS could well be an innocent party and has been setup. if it is his ex making totally spirilous vexatious accusations over many years with no foundation my next consideration is her for WT abduction imo. Too many things in this case appear perfect.

I am aware of another case where authorities were told of an alleged sexual assault on a 3yo child was ready to go to prosecution. It turned out the child had suffered a major fall from a pushbike and injuries appeared the same as a sexual assault. Case was dropped NO sexual assault occurred and mother was charged with false reporting. Child removed from custody.

 

[papertrail]

bbm
Not only the historical allegations came into the mix but also a fresh investigation in non-historical (IMO) matters by FACS/caused by FACS. Maybe that would have been enough to suspect him to be a POI, after police learned that fact.

The FACS investigation of Spedding came about from woman whose children were in foster care at Spedding household and she reported him to FACS after his name first appeared connected to WT.

Again cant get link to post. Daily telegraph 29 jan 2015 headline

Family Services quizzed ‘person of interest’: Children were removed from tradesman Bill Spedding’s care.


TRADESMAN Bill Spedding was interviewed by Family and Community Services about his treatment of children just days before detectives began investigating him over the disappearance of little William Tyrell

 

[papertrail]

I think it is probable that journalists saw him leaving his home, just prior to him driving past the search site. The journalists seem to have been at his home when Gary Jubelin arrived a few minutes after Spedding left.

Unless Spedding stopped and gave the van to someone else to drive right after leaving his home, I think it was him driving his van past the search site.

Caption right under the picture: A few minutes after Mr Spedding left his home (pictured) the head of the investigation, homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, was seen arriving at his house

There is even a picture in the link showing him waving at the journos, at the same time as this picture above was taken.

Police visit home of Bill Spedding in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

DCI Jubelin and crew were only at BS house on 22 and 23 JANUARY. the driveby of vehicle occurred on 5 March.

 

[SouthAussie]

DCI Jubelin and crew were only at BS house on 22 and 23 JANUARY. the driveby of vehicle occurred on 5 March.

No, that is incorrect. Jubelin stopped by the house on the day of the forest search, shortly after Spedding left.
Perhaps you did not read the article I linked, or others that also spoke of this.
We have discussed this in the past, as well. We always wondered if he was trying to see Margaret on her own, give her the opportunity to speak ... if she was willing to tell him what she knew, but did not want to do so in front of Spedding.

 

[papertrail]

The search in 5 march 2015 involved extensive search of Long Point Trail which is a distance north of BS home. Nothing found at site. Makes me consider public report to police about that site may be vexatious. Also makes me consider BS just might have had a false callout that would have taken his vehicle past the search site deliberately.

Too many perfect things occurring.

Then we have removal of S from his workvan. Again too perfect.

 

[sosocurious]

The search in 5 march 2015 involved extensive search of Long Point Trail which is a distance north of BS home. Nothing found at site. Makes me consider public report to police about that site may be vexatious. Also makes me consider BS just might have had a false callout that would have taken his vehicle past the search site deliberately.

Too many perfect things occurring.

Then we have removal of S from his workvan. Again too perfect.

From the timeline
March 2, 2015
The Homicide Squad began a new search for the body of William in dense bushland at Bonny Hills off the Pacific Highway after a tip-off from a member of the public.

Police searched for his body and further evidence about 20 kilometres from where William was last seen, in an area around Houston Mitchell Drive and Long Point Road.

Timeline follows disappearance of William Tyrrell

Detectives have returned to the home of the person of interest in the case of missing toddler William Tyrrell shortly after he drove past the new search site.


Police visit home of Bill Spedding in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

 

[papertrail]

No, that is incorrect. Jubelin stopped by the house on the day of the forest search, shortly after Spedding left.
Perhaps you did not read the article I linked, or others that also spoke of this.
We have discussed this in the past, as well. We always wondered if he was trying to see Margaret on her own, give her the opportunity to speak ... if she was willing to tell him what she knew, but did not want to do so in front of Spedding.

I stand corrected. Even better now for too perfect.

I am starting to smell a large fetid rat.

 

[frogwell]

I think it is probable that journalists saw him leaving his home, just prior to him driving past the search site. The journalists seem to have been at his home when Gary Jubelin arrived a few minutes after Spedding left.

Unless Spedding stopped and gave the van to someone else to drive right after leaving his home, I think it was him driving his van past the search site.

Caption right under the picture: A few minutes after Mr Spedding left his home (pictured) the head of the investigation, homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, was seen arriving at his house

There is even a picture in the link showing him waving at the journos, at the same time as this picture above was taken.

Police visit home of Bill Spedding in William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

From the picture, we can see that he is leaving the Queens Lake retirement village on Pelican Court, which runs off Ocean Drive. We do not know if this picture and maybe questions asked was done earlier in the day, before passing the search site or later in the day.

 

[Bohemian]

I stand corrected. Even better now for too perfect.

I am starting to smell a large fetid rat.

BBM.

And who would that be, pt?

 

[SouthAussie]

It is not unusual for the police to utilise the media to put pressure on a POI.

The police did this very much in the Karen Ristevski case. It was not successful in encouraging the POI to confess or give himself up, but it sure helped in getting the public to contact the police and assist them with info that helped put the case together ... so that the POI (her husband) was arrested and is now facing a murder trial.

 

[sosocurious]

Returned to where, I

From the picture, we can see that he is leaving the Queens Lake retirement village on Pelican Court, which runs off Ocean Drive. We do not know if this picture and maybe questions asked was done earlier in the day, before passing the search site or later in the day.

Are you suggesting he may have left the home earlier that morning and returned home, only to leave again just prior to Jubelin arriving at his house?
Wasn't there a pic of him somewhere at 9:12 am?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I guess I see it more simplistically than that. Maximum pressure brought to bear on a police suspect using all their resources to make it stick and get an arrest. As the member on here Ralph Mouth used to type, Jubelin shook the tree and nothing fell out.MOO

I think, he isn't done with jolting the tree yet ....

 

[Deleted member 102539]

FromGermany said: ↑
Now I would like to have a list of persons, who called the paper, with gender and age, please.
Maybe, BS' friends who were not his friends but only distant acquaintances, have been the first callers?

I don't understand who you are referring to with the underlined part of the sentence. Would you explain that please?

The 4 POIs/suspects are known to be likely friends, but if questioned, they preferred to say, they are only acquaintances. I think, there are more such men, perhaps like-minded too, who are well known to each other (but wouldn't admit to it). And maybe these are the callers, who were supporting BS and protested about the publications re (poor) BS. Some wifes like MS and SB may have called also. Even after a conviction there are wifes, who weren't willing to accept anything (SB). IMO MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I think, he isn't done with jolting the tree yet ....

Yes ... and let's face it, the police are 'public servants', 'peace officers'. They are here to help the public. To keep us safe, solve the crimes, maintain law and order ... find a little boy who has our hearts and is still missing, apprehend the perpetrator of this terrible crime.

They are not here to tiptoe around the criminals and POIs. They are not here to help the defence with their case, or be intimidated by them or their clients.

If they want to shake the tree in any way they want that is within their powers, then good on them. We should support them in their efforts, we pay their wages. It would be a horrible world if we did not have them in it.

 

[Josie2014]

I think, he isn't done with jolting the tree yet ....

And yet his status remains at POI, whilst 4, or a handful of unnamed suspects have come to light during the most recent searches. Quite a few trees being shaken as it turns out.