Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[iailwa]

OT
There are so many people missing or found murdered from Newcastle to the far north coast of NSW in the last 10 years. (Mostly women, but some men). Don’t want to sound paranoid, but tis indeed possible a serial killer could be at work? Think this has already been mentioned but just came across another I don’t know much about - Leisl Smith

 

[Blues Clues]

Should the FP's have gone public straight away or not?

I don't believe the FP's had anything to do with William's disappearance. I also don't think it was a planned or targeted abduction.
So I don't see how recognising them, knowing who they were or knowing their movements prior would have brought any more information to the investigation. It could have been any child in Kendall that day.
But in hindsight I do wonder if they had of visually appealed in the very early days, if someone who was in the know would have felt compelled to call CS. Maybe seeing anguished faces begging for information would have brought that one vital tip off?
With the time lapse to the 60min interview a person with information was given time for that reactive feeling of compassion to fade.
Maybe it was a missed opportunity, maybe it wasn't.

 

[SouthAussie]

Should the FP's have gone public straight away or not?

I don't believe the FP's had anything to do with William's disappearance. I also don't think it was a planned or targeted abduction.
So I don't see how recognising them, knowing who they were or knowing their movements prior would have brought any more information to the investigation. It could have been any child in Kendall that day.
But in hindsight I do wonder if they had of visually appealed in the very early days, if someone who was in the know would have felt compelled to call CS. Maybe seeing anguished faces begging for information would have brought that one vital tip off?
With the time lapse to the 60min interview a person with information was given time for that reactive feeling of compassion to fade.
Maybe it was a missed opportunity, maybe it wasn't.

Remember Nicole ... the friend of the foster parents who made the public appeals on their behalf during the first few weeks ... with supportive partner/friend John (I believe that is his name)? I think she stepped up very well, and did a fabulous job of putting across the anguish of the foster parents, and added a very personal touch to the appeals.

They were obviously trying to overcome the FACS restrictions, and do what they could to have a personal representative speak very publicly and openly for the foster parents.

I can't see that anything else was needed, at the time, in this regard. And as time went on, the foster parents gained permission to do their TV interviews and appealed as well. Then, finally, Karlie did her TV interview, and her own appeal.

Brendan has done no public appeal that I am aware of, at any time. I am sure that MSM would have welcomed him to appeal for his son, when he was available, and likely paid him for it, too, as they did with Karlie.


Nicole's pics are in this link.

William's family have remained out of public view but a friend, Nicole, has made several appeals for help. She said while William enjoyed being outdoors he had no tendency to wander off.
'He is a happy, cheeky, adventurous little boy who doesn’t wander off,' Nicole said. 'William is pretty much always happy. He was happy to play in the garden and be with his family.'
Six weeks on and still no sign of missing 'Spiderman' toddler William Tyrell as police continue investigation into 'astonishing' case | Daily Mail Online

 

[Eloise]

The FPs identity wasn't kept secret to protect them, it was to protect the children in their care.

Knowing their identity wouldn't have helped anything anyway, other than to satisfy the curiosity of the general public. They didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Blues Clues]

Remember Nicole ... the friend of the foster parents who made the public appeals on their behalf during the first few weeks? I think she stepped up very well, and did a fabulous job of putting across the anguish of the foster parents, and added a very personal touch to the appeals.

They were obviously trying to overcome the FACS restrictions, and do what they could to have a personal representative speak very publicly and openly for the foster parents.

I can't see that anything else was needed, at the time, in this regard. And as time went on, the foster parents gained permission to do their TV interviews and appealed as well. Then, finally, Karlie did her TV interview, and her own appeal. Brendan has done no public appeal that I am aware of, at any time.


Nicole's pics are in this link.

William's family have remained out of public view but a friend, Nicole, has made several appeals for help. She said while William enjoyed being outdoors he had no tendency to wander off.
'He is a happy, cheeky, adventurous little boy who doesn’t wander off,' Nicole said. 'William is pretty much always happy. He was happy to play in the garden and be with his family.'
Six weeks on and still no sign of missing 'Spiderman' toddler William Tyrell as police continue investigation into 'astonishing' case | Daily Mail Online

Yes I remember Nicole well. It was not my intention to take anything away from her, she did step up well. And yes they were constrained by FACS, and also constrained by their need to protect William's sister.

I feel very much for them that the circumstances added a number of difficult layers to trying to find William. It would seem the appeals from Nicole and blocked out FP faces did not have the required effect though.
It is my opinion seeing the distressed and distraught faces of parents desperate for someone to come forward can not be conveyed by anyone else with the same impact.
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[frogwell]

May I add, I haven't ruled out any scenario or theory in regard to WT including Yowies

 

[Thebottomline]

Yes I remember Nicole well. It was not my intention to take anything away from her, she did step up well. And yes they were constrained by FACS, and also constrained by their need to protect William's sister.

I feel very much for them that the circumstances added a number of difficult layers to trying to find William. It would seem the appeals from Nicole and blocked out FP faces did not have the required effect though.
It is my opinion seeing the distressed and distraught faces of parents desperate for someone to come forward can not be conveyed by anyone else with the same impact.
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I will never forget the despair in Denise Morcombe’s eyes in her first interview. In the book, they talk about how important it was for her and Bruce to get their faces out there.

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[Thebottomline]

Sorry I accidentally deleted my reply to blues clues post.
I wanted to say that I will never forget the despair in Denise Morcombes’ eyes in her first televised appeal. In the book they talk about the importance of getting Denise and Bruce’s faces out there. Poor Denise was reluctant if I recall right but the police liaison officer explained how crucial it was. With the respect to the dear Morcombes I hope I have got that correct.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Remember Nicole ... the friend of the foster parents who made the public appeals on their behalf during the first few weeks ... with supportive partner/friend John (I believe that is his name)? I think she stepped up very well, and did a fabulous job of putting across the anguish of the foster parents, and added a very personal touch to the appeals.

They were obviously trying to overcome the FACS restrictions, and do what they could to have a personal representative speak very publicly and openly for the foster parents.

I can't see that anything else was needed, at the time, in this regard. And as time went on, the foster parents gained permission to do their TV interviews and appealed as well. Then, finally, Karlie did her TV interview, and her own appeal.

Brendan has done no public appeal that I am aware of, at any time. I am sure that MSM would have welcomed him to appeal for his son, when he was available, and likely paid him for it, too, as they did with Karlie.


Nicole's pics are in this link.

William's family have remained out of public view but a friend, Nicole, has made several appeals for help. She said while William enjoyed being outdoors he had no tendency to wander off.
'He is a happy, cheeky, adventurous little boy who doesn’t wander off,' Nicole said. 'William is pretty much always happy. He was happy to play in the garden and be with his family.'
Six weeks on and still no sign of missing 'Spiderman' toddler William Tyrell as police continue investigation into 'astonishing' case | Daily Mail Online

Oh don't forget about John, he deserve a credit as well....hmmmm

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[Thebottomline]

Oh don't forget about John, he deserve a credit as well....hmmmm

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

What do you mean curious critter ? I couldn’t see anything dubious about him. I wondered though if Nicole may have actually have been Fm sister they collected from the airport on the Friday night.

 

[CuriousCritter]

What do you mean curious critter ? I couldn’t see anything dubious about him. I wondered though if Nicole may have actually have been Fm sister they collected from the airport on the Friday night.

No she is very much a friend and not the sister.

 

[Thebottomline]

No she is very much a friend and not the sister.

Ok thanks, just a silly thought I had . But what about John ? Can you talk about it within rules. He has been in msm so Is he allowed to be discussed. I’d like to hear your theories .

 

[SouthAussie]

So .... do we think that Brendan has been somehow gagged from appealing for help to find William? Due to his personal issues perhaps? He has been out and about in the community for some time during the last 4 years, I believe.

It seems that the entire focus is on the foster parents, yet I would think there might be a whole other subset of people that might hear his words.

The public did not know that he was in the picture either, initially, but no-one seems to be thinking that should have been brought to the public's attention right from the get-go.

 

[frogwell]

So .... do we think that Brendan has been somehow gagged from appealing for help to find William? Due to his personal issues perhaps? He has been out and about in the community for some time during the last 4 years, I believe.

It seems that the entire focus is on the foster parents, yet I would think there might be a whole other subset of people that might hear his words.

The public did not know that he was in the picture either, initially, but no-one seems to be thinking that should have been brought to the public's attention right from the get-go.

At what stage? Before the Supreme Court proceeding, he couldn't be identified as WT's bio. Also in the 1st interview with NC, there was someone else who was with her who was quoted in that article but was not able to be identified. I believe it was BC. He hasn't made an appeal since he could talk cause he thinks WT is dead apparently. What subset are you referring to? IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

At what stage? Before the Supreme Court proceeding, he couldn't be identified as WT's bio. Also in the 1st interview with NC, there was someone else who was with her who was quoted in that article but was not able to be identified. I believe it was BC. He hasn't made an appeal since he could talk cause he thinks WT is dead apparently. What subset are you referring to? IMO

I am referring to the incarcerated subset, the people that might like Brendan from knowing him, and also might hear things that the general population might not hear about a little missing boy.

Also, the subset of Brendan's friends. Ones who might empathise with his plight and want to help. Want to help find William and offer a tip or two if they might have any thoughts or knowledge about who could have taken William.

I realise that he, also, could not be identified at the time. But if people think that the foster parents should have been identified right from the beginning, surely that should also apply to the bio parents, as they might have been the highest stakeholders in an abduction - even without their knowledge of an abduction. If someone else did it for them, without their knowledge.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[papertrail]

No she is very much a friend and not the sister.

Was John related to Nicole? she appeared very media savvy didnt she knowing exactly what to say and how to say it. Might indicate experience at involvement with media.

 

[papertrail]

Who ever is responsible for the disappearance of William was surely aware of the foster situation and more than likely the protections offered by laws regarding media blackout. Which as we all know too well ended up with the initial scenario of foster parents and fgm being put out to the public as bio parents with the Tyrrell surname.

What I found really peculiar about Spedding's youtube video was he referred to the address William was taken from as 'the Tyrrells'. why didn't he just refer to the address as 'benaroon drive' address? He never mentioned street name! Also strange is he uploaded the video on the anniversary of his 1st visit to Benaroon so he would have known fgm name due to that appointment. He either knew the laws that prohibited identity of ff being divulged or had a legal prepare his blurb. Afterall the Speddings were involved with the FACS fostering system weren't they as they had cared for children through the FACS system.

Those responsible planned the process to minutae and would have known all facets that supported their quest.

It seems to me William was chosen due to this and more than likely his sibling was also a target - that could also be a major reason for total blackout re foster parents' physical identities being protected. Easy for them to do change of name not easy to change physical identity of themselves or the remaining child.

And as always I state that I am not indicating any direct involvement of either bio or foster parents.

 

[Whàngarei]

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[CuriousCritter]

Was John related to Nicole? she appeared very media savvy didnt she knowing exactly what to say and how to say it. Might indicate experience at involvement with media.

LOL we won't go there