Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[Goosewhisperer]

I don't think so

So, this only works if everyone agrees with the same premise?
I don't think so.

 

[sleepinoz]

Then why hasn't he been arrested yet?

I already answered that Karinna - go back and read my comments.

 

[Karinna]

If it is false it is up to the Police to prove that it is False.

My comments are in regard to Police v Courts. There is a difference.

As i said i found that bit interesting. I wonder actually under what circumstances this could be? "Because there may be a number of legitimate reasons as to why an alibi that has been provided, is false".

 

[SouthAussie]

You make the mistake that questioning MSM reports is defending a POI.

Questioning MSM is fine. Nobody takes offence to that.

That's just us "guessing" what it means though, isn't it?

 

[Thebottomline]

Better than some, it seems BL. And you’re objective. No personal agendas. Your posts are greatly appreciated. IMO.

thanyou again that’s very kind

 

[sleepinoz]

So, this only works if everyone agrees with the same premise?
I don't think so.

That isn't what I said at all, nor was it what I was referring to. You have been arguing against my comments for some time. Initially I wasn't speaking about BS, you however did take it that I was.

I don't think he's involved, yet I believe that everyone has a right to think what they want about him.

We are here to discuss, that means everyone's opinions. If anyone disagrees they have the right of reply, as we both have done.

If you don't want to discuss - roll and scroll.

 

[Karinna]

I don't need any evidence to prove him innocent. I don't know how he is involved, other than what is a fact and that is, he was at the house prior and intended to return with a part on an unspecified date. To date, police have not told us anything else, they searched his house, his business, his vehicles, nothing released about them yet. I am not saying he is not a POI, he clearly is.

Yep, its called having an opinion and we all can have one and do. And is all mere speculation in a case such as this where we have no idea where this investigation is at. Lots of innuendo from media etc., and that's about it so far. I enjoy reading your opinions.

 

[sleepinoz]

Yep, its called having an opinion and we all can have one and do. And is all mere speculation in a case such as this where we have no idea where this investigation is at. Lots of innuendo from media etc., and that's about it so far. I enjoy reading your opinions.

To be fair Karinna, GW asked me for evidence to prove his guilt.

So I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

 

[SouthAussie]

To be fair Karinna, GW asked me for evidence to prove his guilt.

So I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

Yes, you are sleep. You are also allowed speculation, theories and guesses.

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes, you are sleep. You are also allowed speculation, theories and guesses.

Thanks SA

 

[sleepinoz]

As i said i found that bit interesting. I wonder actually under what circumstances this could be? "Because there may be a number of legitimate reasons as to why an alibi that has been provided, is false".

Alibi's can be false for many reason, usually it's people that lie to back up someone's alibi and by the time it get's to court they fold or forget what they've said. It happens even though Police have checked it out.

 

[Karinna]

I don't need any evidence to prove him innocent. I don't know how he is involved, other than what is a fact and that is, he was at the house prior and intended to return with a part on an unspecified date. To date, police have not told us anything else, they searched his house, his business, his vehicles, nothing released about them yet. I am not saying he is not a POI, he clearly is.

BBM, That's one thing that i find telling. BS would have to be rated in the world's dumbest criminal category to go to the FGM's house to fix a washing machine and on the assumption that FGM actually told him that her relatives were coming with young kids as well, if she even said that to him?, and then lurk around the place just waiting for that incredible opportunity that a small child would on the off chance be left out there all by himself unsupervised to grab him and take off with him.
No one saw a thing either. And then wouldn't it occur to BS that hey, this is now a high profile missing child case, and i was just right there at that house just a few days ago, i wonder if the cops will come a knocking on my door? Did he really think he wouldn't be under LE's radar for questioning? Hopefully he's not that dumb?

 

[Karinna]

To be fair Karinna, GW asked me for evidence to prove his guilt.

So I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

Huh?

 

[SouthAussie]

Did he really think he wouldn't be under LE's radar for questioning? Hopefully he's not that dumb?

No, I don't believe that he thought he would not be on the police radar. Hence the missing calls in his call log ....... and a possibly contrived alibi (as police found inconsistencies in what Spedding told them about his movements on that fateful day).

Which, to me, says that this was not a planned event, but an opportunistic abduction. The cover up was just not good enough for it to have been planned. imo


BBM:
Police seized his telephone records and those of William’s grandmother as they have checked his statement that he had a missed call from the grandmother that morning and tried to call back but could not get through.
A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[Thebottomline]

No, I don't believe that he thought he would not be on the police radar. Hence the missing calls in his call log ....... and a possibly contrived alibi (as police found inconsistencies in what Spedding told them about his movements on that fateful day).

Which, to me, says that this was not a planned event, but an opportunistic abduction. The cover up was just not good enough for it to have been planned. imo


BBM:
Police seized his telephone records and those of William’s grandmother as they have checked his statement that he had a missed call from the grandmother that morning and tried to call back but could not get through.
A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

As you bolded south Aussie , certainly another reason he is a poi other than just being at the premises days before.

 

[Goosewhisperer]

To be fair Karinna, GW asked me for evidence to prove his guilt.

So I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

I think you may have misread my post, someone, not sure who, said something to the effect of needing to prove innocence. I believe guilt has to be proven, not innocence.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think you may have misread my post, someone, not sure who, said something to the effect of needing to prove innocence. I believe guilt has to be proven, not innocence.

I believe what was said by the poster is that innocence needs to be proved to the police - in order to rule a person out - and guilt needs to be proved by the prosecutor in a court of law.

I have said before and I will say it again. Police work differently to the Courts.

For Police it's guilty until proven innocent - For the Courts it's innocent until proven guilty.

If Police assumed everyone was innocent, nobody would ever be charged with a crime.

 

[Goosewhisperer]

No, I don't believe that he thought he would not be on the police radar. Hence the missing calls in his call log ....... and a possibly contrived alibi (as police found inconsistencies in what Spedding told them about his movements on that fateful day).

Which, to me, says that this was not a planned event, but an opportunistic abduction. The cover up was just not good enough for it to have been planned. imo


BBM:
Police seized his telephone records and those of William’s grandmother as they have checked his statement that he had a missed call from the grandmother that morning and tried to call back but could not get through.
A friend of Mr Spedding’s said yesterday that police had questioned Mr Spedding about “why the phone calls were no longer in the call log on his mobile phone.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


As they checked out everyone’s statements about where they were on that Friday, detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what Mr Spedding told them which led them to raid his former pawnbroking office in Laurieton and his home at Bonny Hills this week.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I don't think I could say where and what time I was at a certain place, some months after the event. Not necessarily saying BS wouldn't know, when was that interview where he gave his alibi?
School events might be easy to check, also I delete call logs on my phone regularly, missed calls, ones I don't wish to reply to, things of that nature.
I had a parking fine a few years back, in a town a have never been to, in a car I don't own, nor ever owned. It was bizarre and several months after the event. I was lucky to be able to trawl back through my social media to find I was actually at children's play group but I had no evidence to support it.
The onus was on me to prove I wasn't there and didn't own the car. It cost me lawyers fees.

 

[Goosewhisperer]

Read my comment in context please, instead of going around in circles.

What evidence? What evidence do you have to prove his innocence?

We may see things different, but BS is still a POI so at this point there is no way you can say he is not according to TOS.

IMO he is not involved, but according to Police, MSM etc he is still a POI and can be discussed.

This is what I am referring to.

 

[SouthAussie]

One thing that I have noticed, since the directions hearings in Spedding's defamation cases, is that articles pertaining only to him being a POI (and not inclusive of others as POIs) have been taken down. Likely an agreed direction - imo - to stay within the balanced reporting rules that the media must abide by.

Fortunately, the info found in these now-taken-down articles is still available in other legitimate places ... so links are still able to be found.