Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[JLZ]

This was published on day one of the bail appeal hearing, and then the other article about the brother going surety of $100,000 was the following day when he was granted bail. I am guessing if the initial amount wasn't enough, then BS sought more money from his brother. Therefore making both articles correct at the time they were published. IMO

Or perhaps BS & MS' $100K wasn't in the form of ready cash so his brother lent it to them against their assets.

 

[sosocurious]

Yeah, I think SA may be correct about the Porky Pies

I have had a few days off and I am trying to catch up ......
Pork pies ....

 

[sosocurious]

Or perhaps BS & MS' $100K wasn't in the form of ready cash so his brother lent it to them against their assets.

Wasn't BS getting legal aid from the start? Maybe what ever they were intending to put up was not real secure. Or simply not enough. So Bro's money more secure or was to top up what ever it was BS and MS had.

 

[SouthAussie]

Wasn't BS getting legal aid from the start? Maybe what ever they were intending to put up was not real secure. Or simply not enough. So Bro's money more secure or was to top up what ever it was BS and MS had.

I would venture to say that Spedding and Margaret's savings was not enough.

The court heard Spedding and his wife Margaret have offered “their savings” of $100,000 in surety that the Crown says is “generous” but “insufficient to satisfy the bail concerns.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I think the Telegraph has put parts of the judge's actual words in quotes in their article.

However, $100,000 is still a bucket load of "savings" for a country handyman who had applied for legal aid. imo

Wonder if that $100,000 has been released now. He may be using it to pay his defamation case lawyers. Or he may be in jail. Who knows??

 

[JLZ]

Wasn't BS getting legal aid from the start? Maybe what ever they were intending to put up was not real secure. Or simply not enough. So Bro's money more secure or was to top up what ever it was BS and MS had.

I may be wrong, but I don't think Legal Aid covers bail. The magistrate would take into account the accused's ability to pay in setting the bail amount. It's supposed to act as a deterrent to the accused skipping off and not facing the charges. Legal Aid coughing up would defeat the purpose.

 

[SouthAussie]

Was the discretionary funding a one off, a kick start to get the respite camps up and running? I have never seen anything that indicated it was on-going funding by the government.

Grants are not ongoing, in my experience. They are a one-off and must be reapplied for, if they are still available.

 

[JLZ]

I would venture to say that Spedding and Margaret's savings was not enough.

The court heard Spedding and his wife Margaret have offered “their savings” of $100,000 in surety that the Crown says is “generous” but “insufficient to satisfy the bail concerns.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I think the Telegraph has put parts of the judge's actual words in quotes in their article.

However, $100,000 is still a bucket load of "savings" for a country handyman who had applied for legal aid. imo

Wonder if that $100,000 has been released now. He may be using it to pay his defamation case lawyers. Or he may be in jail. Who knows??

Was he not refused bail in the first instance and served several months before it was granted? Perhaps the comment that $100K was not enough to satisfy bail concerns pertained to that first refusal. Later, perhaps it was decided that the 'bail concerns' were not as serious as previously judged.

 

[frogwell]

wasn't the person interviewed in feb 2018 a niece of one of the POis? @Whàngarei

link please

 

[sosocurious]

I may be wrong, but I don't think Legal Aid covers bail. The magistrate would take into account the accused's ability to pay in setting the bail amount. It's supposed to act as a deterrent to the accused skipping off and not facing the charges. Legal Aid coughing up would defeat the purpose.

I was not talking about the bail. I am still wondering how he got legal aid if they had a 100k savings.

The court heard Spedding and his wife Margaret have offered “their savings” of $100,000 in surety that the Crown says is “generous” but “insufficient to satisfy the bail concerns.”
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[iailwa]

If the original Grant was a State Gov Grant, why were they in Victoria seeking this Grant?

could they have been in Vic spending the grant? i.e. a training session, or a conference?
edited to clarify

 

[SouthAussie]

Was he not refused bail in the first instance and served several months before it was granted? Perhaps the comment that $100K was not enough to satisfy bail concerns pertained to that first refusal. Later, perhaps it was decided that the 'bail concerns' were not as serious as previously judged.

Pretty sure that the $100,000 in savings refers to the Supreme Court bail hearing, where he had reapplied for bail after the first refusal.

The court had a letter from Spedding's wife Margaret has been tendered, offering surety and guaranteed residency if the washing machine repairman is granted bail., The hearing continues before Justice Geoffrey Bellew.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


The first bail hearing was in front of a magistrate .... AND he had already been granted Legal Aid. Despite an apparent $100,000 in savings being revealed in the 2nd bail hearing.

Magistrate Thomas Hodgson refused Mr Spedding bail in Port Macquarie Local Court on April 23.
Mr Hoyles also said his client had $30,000 in a property that could be offered as surety.
Legal Aid NSW's Port Macquarie acting solicitor in charge said his client could live at a local residence and not enter Sydney.
Bill Spedding to make bail application as police continue search for William Tyrrell

 

[SouthAussie]

could they have been in Vic spending the grant? i.e. a training session, or a conference?
edited to clarify

The grant happened in 2009/2010 .... not 2015, when they were apparently in Victoria. The grant was specifically for a respite camp, as per our links.

A respite camp that appears to have happened in 2010.

 

[JLZ]

Pretty sure that the $100,000 in sabings refers to the Supreme Court bail hearing, where he had reapplied for bail after the first refusal.

The court had a letter from Spedding's wife Margaret has been tendered, offering surety and guaranteed residency if the washing machine repairman is granted bail., The hearing continues before Justice Geoffrey Bellew.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph


The first bail hearing was in front of a magistrate .... AND he had already been granted Legal Aid. Despite an apparent $100,000 in savings being revealed in the 2nd bail hearing.

Magistrate Thomas Hodgson refused Mr Spedding bail in Port Macquarie Local Court on April 23.
Mr Hoyles also said his client had $30,000 in a property that could be offered as surety.
Legal Aid NSW's Port Macquarie acting solicitor in charge said his client could live at a local residence and not enter Sydney.
Bill Spedding to make bail application as police continue search for William Tyrrell

Yes, I've been reading some more and I agree. The $100K was offered at the second hearing and the Crown argued that it was not sufficient. But the judge decided otherwise.

 

[iailwa]

link please

it was posted yesterday during the discussion...

‘I’ve never felt right about it from day one’

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, I've been reading some more and I agree. The $100K was offered at the second hearing and the Crown argued that it was not sufficient. But the judge decided otherwise.

Makes a person wonder how he got Legal Aid in the first place. Surely having savings of $100,000 would preempt that. At least until the $100,000 ran dry.

 

[iailwa]

Makes a person wonder how he got Legal Aid in the first place. Surely having savings of $100,000 would preempt that. At least until the $100,000 ran dry.

I'm confused. wasn't the $100K from his brother? just yes or no will do...

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, let's just hope that the court costs Spedding is going for are to repay Legal Aid.

In South Australia, Legal Aid must be repaid from any compensation a person may receive. Not sure of the laws in other states, but one would hope that they are similar.

If you get money from your legal case, such as costs, compensation, damages or property settlement you will have to pay back your legal aid in full.
http://www.lsc.sa.gov.au/resources/Conditions of Legal Aid_1015.pdf

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm confused. wasn't the $100K from his brother? just yes or no will do...

You have read the same info that we have read. One link says it was Spedding and Margaret's savings, and another says his brother contributed.

 

[frogwell]

The grant happened in 2009/2010 .... not 2015, when they were apparently in Victoria. The grant was specifically for a respite camp, as per our links.

A respite camp that appears to have happened in 2010.

Wharangeri, has never said that they were in Victoria, seeking grant money, just that they may have been. shopping seemed to be what they were interested in. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Wharangeri, has never said that they were in Victoria, seeking grant money, just that they may have been. shopping seemed to be what they were interested in. IMO

And we have been discussing that "may".

No .court case that wasnt said..but some sort of request for money to a govt body i thought and shopping at large centre part of their stay.

Looking to get a govt grant possibly correct..... shopping probably correct .separated panned out correct. Had a 14 year old grandson to pay for panned out correct.