Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[Deleted member 102539]

August 2016
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Police were also interested in Ms Loweke’s application (date of appl.??) to the Department of Housing, in which she requested a three-bedroom home she wanted to share with William’s grandmother.

ACA tonight revealed she had asked if there was a third room.

“They thought it was for William and I said, ‘Nah, it’s not like that, it’s actually for my art’. You know, try and get a spare room for my art,” Ms Loweke said.

But:

February 2015 (cancelled)
Kim Elisabeth Loweke ABN Report

If one is a stallholder at NAIDOC events and is selling one's art, then I would think, a spare room might have been justified to ask for. If one had cancelled the ABN, I would think, there was no reason any more to ask for extra space ....
I wonder.

 

[Thebottomline]

August 2016
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

Police were also interested in Ms Loweke’s application (date of appl.??) to the Department of Housing, in which she requested a three-bedroom home she wanted to share with William’s grandmother.

ACA tonight revealed she had asked if there was a third room.

“They thought it was for William and I said, ‘Nah, it’s not like that, it’s actually for my art’. You know, try and get a spare room for my art,” Ms Loweke said.

But:

February 2015 (cancelled)
Kim Elisabeth Loweke ABN Report

If one is a stallholder at NAIDOC events and is selling one's art, then I would think, a spare room might have been justified to ask for. If one had cancelled the ABN, I would think, there was no reason any more to ask for extra space ....
I wonder.

Apologies, deleted my post as have may have been outside of tos rules and just an obersvation on my part.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Personally, I think I would rather move closer to their school and extracurricular activities than have my grandchildren go to live in other care. Or arrange alternative transportation for them, with other parents involved in their sporting activities, if Margaret does not drive.

I have sometimes wondered if Margaret breached FACS rules by having Spedding living with her. I think we determined, back in the threads, that Spedding spent quite a while (about a year?) living in Wellington when the boys first went to live with Margaret.

bbm

But why should she have breached such rules, if BS's status was okay, being never convicted of anything?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

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[Thebottomline]

I wonder, yes, about the background. But like you I'm not thinking of an extra room, prepared for little WT. An Australia-wide sought boy living with the bio grandmother - how should that have worked?

No I’m certainly not thinking that that room was planned for little William or her artwork .

 

[Karinna]

bbm

But why should she have breached such rules, if BS's status was okay, being never convicted of anything?

Exactly. He obviously never had a police record of any criminal conviction through any court of law in Australia that i'm aware of.
I really think its difficult to say about him unless we were more privy to his previous life with the ex. and the background of that relationship, and we're not, so who knows?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

My mind had been made up so early in this case of who I thought was involved. As time goes on and the more I read and hear I sometimes briefly wonder if BS is the scapegoat/ fall guy in this whole case. Not entirely innocent but maybe more in the background than some others . All IMOO of course

I think, BS wouldn't be that stupid to let others make him the scapegoat. IMO

 

[Thebottomline]

I think, BS wouldn't be that stupid to let others make him the scapegoat. IMO

You’re right, it was just a thought. But who knows what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Thebottomline]

Exactly. He obviously never had a police record of any criminal conviction through any court of law in Australia that i'm aware of.
I really think its difficult to say about him unless we were more privy to his previous life with the ex. and the background of that relationship, and we're not, so who knows?

No conviction but I would think a big question mark over his head from previous allegations surely. He resided with one of Australia’s most horrid convicted sexual abusers .

 

[sleepinoz]

Exactly. He obviously never had a police record of any criminal conviction through any court of law in Australia that i'm aware of.
I really think its difficult to say about him unless we were more privy to his previous life with the ex. and the background of that relationship, and we're not, so who knows?

He didn't have a conviction but they had records of him, which would make ears prick up.

 

[Karinna]

Normally pedo's don't just have one or two child victims, they can have hundreds before they are ever caught. Do any of you think he would just stop after a couple of years

No conviction but I would think a big question mark over his head from previous allegations surely.

He was never charged back then or the case taken to Trial. I think any man accused of such a horrible thing would have a big question mark over their head, even if they didn't do that. BS wouldn't be the first guy accused of such a thing when a relationship goes bad and there is a threat of separation/divorce. People can get nasty and lowdown.

 

[sleepinoz]

I think, BS wouldn't be that stupid to let others make him the scapegoat. IMO

I don't think anyone made him a scapegoat. So many coincidences............ an unconfirmed alibi, historical abuse charges, office near the local news who outed him, tshirt down the drain, deleted call log, Col's interview..............I could go on and on. He didn't help himself in many of these circumstances.

After saying that, I don't think he is involved.

 

[Karinna]

He didn't have a conviction but they had records of him, which would make ears prick up.

The ears pricked up when GJ was investigating WT's disappearance because FGM called him out to fix her washer a few days beforehand, and he would of been a POI because of that. They then realised about his historic allegations. It was stated in MSM article he was thoroughly investigated back then.

 

[sleepinoz]

The ears pricked up when GJ was investigating WT's disappearance because FGM called him out to fix her washer a few days beforehand, and he would of been a POI because of that. They then realised about his historic allegations. It was stated in MSM article he was thoroughly investigated back then.

Thoroughly investigated back when? Link please

ETA - He was being investigated prior to GJ being put on the case.

 

[purpleandgreen]

The ears pricked up when GJ was investigating WT's disappearance because FGM called him out to fix her washer a few days beforehand, and he would of been a POI because of that. They then realised about his historic allegations. It was stated in MSM article he was thoroughly investigated back then.

Yes he would OF/have

 

[Karinna]

Thoroughly investigated back when? Link please

ETA - He was being investigated prior to GJ being put on the case.

In the MSM article where Justice Bellew said the case was a weak one, and the children had been coached. Back when Hillsley was involved. I will try and find the article for you, but don't know if that older MSM article is still available?

 

[Karinna]

Here you go
(quote)
In granting bail, Justice Geoffrey Bellew said one of the girls, who was three at the time of the alleged offence, had no recollection of it and "vague memories of youth" despite a 21-page statement.

He said the reliability of the complainant would probably be an issue and there were concerns about whether both girls were "coached" by an adult in making the claims.

"It is clear to me that the matters to which I have referred to will be a substantial issue in the proceedings brought against the applicant," Justice Bellew said.

"It is difficult to accept the crown submission that [the] crown case is strong."

Justice Bellew noted that Spedding was investigated over the alleged offences nearly 30 years ago and never charged.

He said Spedding becoming a person of interest in William's disappearance had "revived" the prior allegations.
Bill Spedding granted bail over child sex charges

 

[sleepinoz]

In the MSM article where Justice Bellew said the case was a weak one, and the children had been coached. Back when Hillsley was involved. I will try and find the article for you, but don't know if that older MSM article is still available?

Police said the allegations were not prosecuted at the time out of concerns for the welfare of the young victims.

Category: | Herald Sun

Even if the case was weak, he may not have been thoroughly investigated due to the welfare of the victims and non prosecution.

We don't know how far he was investigated, even though Justice Bellow noted that he was investigated.

 

[sleepinoz]

In the MSM article where Justice Bellew said the case was a weak one, and the children had been coached. Back when Hillsley was involved. I will try and find the article for you, but don't know if that older MSM article is still available?

You know, I never believed that statement "that the children had been coached" - if they were, why did one not remember?

As Justice Bellow also said:

"It is difficult to accept the Crown case is strong in circumstances where, as I have pointed out, that one of the victims has no recollection at all about the incident," Justice Bellow said.

Bill Spedding, questioned over William Tyrrell disappearance, bailed over child sex offences

How is it possible that he thinks they were coached and then one doesn't 'recall'?????

 

[Karinna]

Police said the allegations were not prosecuted at the time out of concerns for the welfare of the young victims.

Category: | Herald Sun

Even if the case was weak, he may not have been thoroughly investigated due to the welfare of the victims and non prosecution.

We don't know how far he was investigated, even though Justice Bellew noted that he was investigated.

BBM, Well i find that really unconscionable considering the tender age of the victims and that those very young girls would no way have had to appear as witnesses before the Court to give evidence. The evidence by investigators should of had should of stood on its own to convict IMO.
So let a child predator off the hook to re offend again on more victims is nonsensical IMO.
And maybe if the issue had of come to resolution back then, the poor young women today would not have to go before a Trial court recently to re live such a horrible event in their lives.