Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[Thebottomline]

What evidence have they got?

Karinna what evidence have they not got, do you know ? Can you tell us your theories as you seem very hell bent on BS being not involved, which is totally acceptable but can you state your reasons why ? I ask this because you seem very adamant he is not involved and I’m genuinely interested as to why you think this .

 

[purpleandgreen]

Woudn't it stand that in all criminal investigations that LE have actual forensic/DNA evidence to convict someone of said crime? They can't just go on a gut feeling. And alibi's can be fudged too.

Well we sure do agree on people trying to fudge alibis. IMO

 

[Karinna]

I was watching a murder case on 48 hours and a young boyfriend was accused of viciously murdering his girlfriend. If it wasn't for the Fitbit he was wearing at the supposed time of the murder to prove he didn't do it, he may well have been found Guilty by the jury, with no solid evidence of where he was at the time.
As it turned out the right perpetrator was found guilty by the google tracking on the perp.'s phone.
It's really interesting how these cases are investigated nowadays.

 

[Karinna]

Karinna what evidence have they not got, do you know ? Can you tell us your theories as you seem very hell bent on BS being not involved, which is totally acceptable but can you state your reasons why ? I ask this because you seem very adamant he is not involved and I’m genuinely interested as to why you think this .

For a start i have no idea who committed this crime and i have never stated about my belief in who is innocent or not. If BS is involved there has to be solid evidence against him like any other criminal case i have ever followed. BS was thoroughly forensically investigated from the get go. So if there was anything to nail him with, LE would have arrested him by now IMO. And that's all i got so far.

 

[Karinna]

On who? It's a discussion about if you have to prove you are not involved. Again it's called an Alibi.

Not talking about anyone in particular.

And alibi's don't always solve cases. There has to be more than that as well, it's called evidence.

 

[Thebottomline]

I was watching a murder case on 48 hours and a young boyfriend was accused of viciously murdering his girlfriend. If it wasn't for the Fitbit he was wearing at the supposed time of the murder to prove he didn't do it, he may well have been found Guilty by the jury, with no solid evidence of where he was at the time.
As it turned out the right perpetrator was found guilty by the google tracking on the perp.'s phone.
It's really interesting how these cases are investigated nowadays.

Yes that’s well and good to post things like that, the little things can certainly bring down someone but the question posed to you was why do you think BS and all the things that point to him are questionable, I’m not having a go at you deliberately but you continue to defend all about him but can’t offer up a reason for him not to be involved . I’m certainly not discounting your posts but you can argue posters reasons for believing his involvement but don’t offer anything worthy to denounce his involvement.

 

[Karinna]

We’ll know that when an arrest is made.

Definitely.

 

[Karinna]

You would hope so but it's not always the case, given that some cases have been overturned after a conviction.

Exactly. There are many wrongful convictions that have been overturned.

 

[SouthAussie]

BS was thoroughly forensically investigated from the get go. So if there was anything to nail him with, LE would have arrested him by now IMO. And that's all i got so far.

Over four years, I am sure that many people have been thoroughly forensically investigated.
No arrest so far, because there is not enough hard evidence to charge anyone yet. Likely the reason that police have been imploring for that person who knows to come forward. And now this case will go before the Coroner. People will be compelled to speak.

But somebody perpetrated this crime, and there are 5 prime POIs/suspects.

Spedding is (still) one of them.

 

[sleepinoz]

And alibi's don't always solve cases. There has to be more than that as well, it's called evidence.

Actually Alibi's do solve cases. How else do Police reduce their suspect list. Like in this case, they had hundreds of POI's, that list is now reduced to however many.

That list has been reduced because of people's alibi's.

Yes, evidence is very necessary for a conviction in Court, but for Police to start looking for evidence they first have to know that a person is a likely POI/Suspect. If that person doesn't have an Alibi they then investigate further and gather evidence.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Exactly. There are many wrongful convictions that have been overturned.

And so many convictions that have stuck. I’m sure Jubelin will get this one right. I’s and T’s.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

We’ll know that when an arrest is made.

I can't wait!!!!!!!!! The waiting is driving me insane. I want to know who is responsible for the disappearance of William. Just sad all round!

 

[Karinna]

Yes that’s well and good to post things like that, the little things can certainly bring down someone but the question posed to you was why do you think BS and all the things that point to him are questionable, I’m not having a go at you deliberately but you continue to defend all about him but can’t offer up a reason for him not to be involved . I’m certainly not discounting your posts but you can argue posters reasons for believing his involvement but don’t offer anything worthy to denounce his involvement.

FYI, I am not arguing with anyone. I am speculating just like everyone else on this thread. I am not defending BS either, just questioning the case against him. It's called sleuthing, and what we do here.
It is also a FYI to not personalize your posts to any given poster, as i know you are fairly recent on the thread.

 

[sleepinoz]

For a start i have no idea who committed this crime and i have never stated about my belief in who is innocent or not. If BS is involved there has to be solid evidence against him like any other criminal case i have ever followed. BS was thoroughly forensically investigated from the get go. So if there was anything to nail him with, LE would have arrested him by now IMO. And that's all i got so far.

BBM - People keep saying this.

If Police have substantial evidence they would have arrested, yes.

Maybe they are trying to find William first? Maybe they don't think they have enough to put the prick away for good? Maybe they just need one more thing to ensure a life verdict?

They could have evidence, but need more.

They are the experts, they know when they have enough evidence to get a conviction..............we don't.

 

[sleepinoz]

FYI, I am not arguing with anyone. I am speculating just like everyone else on this thread. I am not defending BS either, just questioning the case against him. It's called sleuthing, and what we do here.
It is also a FYI to not personalize your posts to any given poster, as i know you are fairly recent on the thread.

Questioning Evidence is not Sleuthing IMO

 

[Karinna]

Actually Alibi's do solve cases. How else do Police reduce their suspect list. Like in this case, they had hundreds of POI's, that list is now reduced to however many.

That list has been reduced because of people's alibi's.

Yes, evidence is very necessary for a conviction in Court, but for Police to start looking for evidence they first have to know that a person is a likely POI/Suspect. If that person doesn't have an Alibi they then investigate further and gather evidence.

I would say Alibi's can help to solve cases.
(quote)
Alibis and criminal law
One of the recurring plot premises in a crime drama is how the baddie would initially have a watertight alibi, which would then eventually fall apart when the good guys start to find holes in the alibi of the accused. This of course then leads to the satisfactory conclusion that we all want. However in the real world, an alibi for a person who is accused of an offence – and who isn’t the perpetrator – is an important for anyone who is innocent of an offence. Most people would assume that an alibi is relatively straightforward, however, there is a surprising amount of technical details that is associated with the laws in regards to alibis.

What is an alibi?
Like many other words in the legal vernacular, the term alibi is derived from Latin, which means, elsewhere.

It’s as simple as that.
What are the notice requirements for an alibi?
All states have a prescribed period of when notice should be given to the Director of Public Prosecution in regards to an alibi, and readers should be mindful that most states have different notice requirements. For example in s 590A of Queensland’s Criminal Code, the prescribed period in which evidence of an alibi is to be submitted, is the period of 14 days after the date for the committal for trial of the accused. While under s 51 of Victoria’s Criminal Procedure Act, it’s seven days before the day on which either a contest mention hearing or summary hearing, is when an accused must provide notice. While in contrast, the prescribed period for notice of an alibi under s 150 of New South Wale’s Criminal Procedure Act is the “… period commencing at the time of the accused person’s committal for trial and ending 42 days before the trial is listed for hearing.”
Alibis and criminal law

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't wait!!!!!!!!! The waiting is driving me insane. I want to know who is responsible for the disappearance of William. Just sad all round!

I am anxious for this all to be over, too. I simply hate that the perpetrator is free and not convicted.
While William is where???

 

[Thebottomline]

FYI, I am not arguing with anyone. I am speculating just like everyone else on this thread. I am not defending BS either, just questioning the case against him. It's called sleuthing, and what we do here.
It is also a FYI to not personalize your posts to any given poster, as i know you are fairly recent on the thread.

I’m sorry I apologise if you think it was personalised, Yes I’m very recent on this thread and I know I’ve had a lot to say in that short time. You can be a recent poster and at the same time have been following this case very closely and watching for a very long time . I don’t think it’s fair to discount anyone here about there longevity in this case. I’m pretty sure I know the ins and outs from day one very very well.

 

[sleepinoz]

I am anxious for this all to be over, too. I simply hate that the perpetrator is free and not convicted.
While William is where???

Me too

One week to go until the 4 year anniversary - I can't believe it's been so long

 

[Karinna]

I am anxious for this all to be over, too. I simply hate that the perpetrator is free and not convicted.
While William is where???

Yes exactly, we are all here for the same reason and that is IMO to see Justice for William. And i really hope and pray that LE are close to solving the case into his disappearance. It's been too long already, sadly.