Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #38

[purpleandgreen]

Yes in as much as the media stating WT could still be alive.

So sorry, but I don't quite understand. Is that the opposing view to that of the police? You think the police don't think he's still alive? Have I read it correctly? Apologies if not. Just that sometimes one sentence replies can be confusing, to me anyway! IMO

 

[Karinna]

So sorry, but I don't quite understand. Is that the opposing view to that of the police? You think the police don't think he's still alive? Have I read it correctly? Apologies if not. Just that sometimes one sentence replies can be confusing, to me anyway! IMO

BBM, IMO i think because the nature of the case as it is the fact WT was a child in State care who disappeared and because of all the people involved in WT's life, i don't think the police know exactly what happened to WT and whether he is alive or deceased? LE have stated themselves in some of the MSM articles that WT could still be alive even if that is a very slight chance it could still be.
Although a Coronial Inquest is usually to make a determination of possible/probable death of a missing person that has been missing a long time. The Coroner i'm sure will make his decision on that taking all things into consideration as in some of these NSW missing person cases previously that went to coronial inquest.
Coronial findings

 

[Bohemian]

So sorry, but I don't quite understand. Is that the opposing view to that of the police? You think the police don't think he's still alive? Have I read it correctly? Apologies if not. Just that sometimes one sentence replies can be confusing, to me anyway! IMO

The ‘police’ haven’t stated a view that William is (or may still be) alive recently. In fact, DCI Jubelin told MSM after the Directions Hearing that the matter was still under investigation, therefore he couldn’t comment (or words to that effect).

Also, Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, didn’t state “William is (or may still be) alive.” at the Directions Hearing. What he did State was that “it was not possible – at present – to conclude William is dead.”, and “The police investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and police are following active leads at present.”[1]

That this means that the statement, “William is (or may still be) alive.”—as reported widely in MSM headlines recently—is mere spin on the above statements by Counsel Assisting IMO.

[1] William Tyrrell may still be alive and police pursuing 'active leads', court told

 

[purpleandgreen]

The ‘police’ haven’t stated a view that William is (or may still be) alive recently. In fact, DCI Jubelin told MSM after the Directions Hearing that the matter was still under investigation, therefore he couldn’t comment (or words to that effect).

Also, Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, didn’t state “William is (or may still be) alive.” at the Directions Hearing. What he did State was that “it was not possible – at present – to conclude William is dead.”, and “The police investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and police are following active leads at present.”[1]

That this means that the statement, “William is (or may still be) alive.”—as reported widely in MSM headlines recently—is mere spin on the above statements by Counsel Assisting IMO.

[1] William Tyrrell may still be alive and police pursuing 'active leads', court told

Thanks, Bo. That makes sense.

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM, IMO i think because the nature of the case as it is the fact WT was a child in State care who disappeared and because of all the people involved in WT's life, i don't think the police know exactly what happened to WT and whether he is alive or deceased? LE have stated themselves in some of the MSM articles that WT could still be alive even if that is a very slight chance it could still be.
Although a Coronial Inquest is usually to make a determination of possible/probable death of a missing person that has been missing a long time. The Coroner i'm sure will make his decision on that taking all things into consideration as in some of these NSW missing person cases previously that went to coronial inquest.
Coronial findings

Thanks, Karinna, it was just when you said in #859 that 'Yes in as much as the media stating WT could still be alive' it sounded as if the you said the media were stating that, and that the police didn't think so, and I just hadn't heard the police come out and say that yet. Thankfully, Bo has cleared up any misunderstanding for me.

I can't wait to see what comes out at the inquest and who will be called as witnesses (if the media is allowed to publish). Hopefully we'll finally get some answers. But more importantly, his families. There's not a day goes by that I don't think of them.

 

[sosocurious]

The ‘police’ haven’t stated a view that William is (or may still be) alive recently. In fact, DCI Jubelin told MSM after the Directions Hearing that the matter was still under investigation, therefore he couldn’t comment (or words to that effect).

Also, Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, didn’t state “William is (or may still be) alive.” at the Directions Hearing. What he did State was that “it was not possible – at present – to conclude William is dead.”, and “The police investigation into his disappearance is ongoing and police are following active leads at present.”[1]

That this means that the statement, “William is (or may still be) alive.”—as reported widely in MSM headlines recently—is mere spin on the above statements by Counsel Assisting IMO.

[1] William Tyrrell may still be alive and police pursuing 'active leads', court told

If only we knew what the investigating team do know.

Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said the purpose is now on gathering definitive evidence that William met with foul play which can be presented to either a criminal or coroner's court.

"Based on the original search and from our investigation its reasonable to draw conclusion that William's disappearance was result of human intervention and not misadventure," said Detective Jubelin.

"[But] I don't want this interpreted that the investigation is coming to an end," Detective Jubelin said. "We are very mindful that it's over 3.5 years since William disappeared and we haven't solved this matter.

"We are going to continue on until we do."

Until police know conclusively that William is not alive they will act with the possibility that he is, but Detective Jubelin said "we have grave, grave fears".

Toy found in bush, police prepare for day two of William Tyrrell search

 

[RubyHill]

If BS has a watertight alibi as in he has witnesses as to where he was that morning at the time William was taken then why does his name keep coming up,he sure has a lot of smoke around him,I think his biggest ally will be his biggest downfall if she is called to the stand if she has been lying for him this whole time,she put him in front of her grandkids who she lost custody of because of him,I think she would lay down everything and turn a blind eye to keep him,she just seems to be a very needy person to me.

 

[purpleandgreen]

If only we knew what the investigating team do know.

Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said the purpose is now on gathering definitive evidence that William met with foul play which can be presented to either a criminal or coroner's court.

"Based on the original search and from our investigation its reasonable to draw conclusion that William's disappearance was result of human intervention and not misadventure," said Detective Jubelin.

"[But] I don't want this interpreted that the investigation is coming to an end," Detective Jubelin said. "We are very mindful that it's over 3.5 years since William disappeared and we haven't solved this matter.

"We are going to continue on until we do."

Until police know conclusively that William is not alive they will act with the possibility that he is, but Detective Jubelin said "we have grave, grave fears".

Toy found in bush, police prepare for day two of William Tyrrell search

And a very warm welcome back, soso. We have missed you and your wonderful sleuthing and excellent bank of resources.

 

[SouthAussie]

If only we knew what the investigating team do know.

Welcome back, soso!

 

[Bohemian]

If only we knew what the investigating team do know.

Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said the purpose is now on gathering definitive evidence that William met with foul play which can be presented to either a criminal or coroner's court.

"Based on the original search and from our investigation its reasonable to draw conclusion that William's disappearance was result of human intervention and not misadventure," said Detective Jubelin.

"[But] I don't want this interpreted that the investigation is coming to an end," Detective Jubelin said. "We are very mindful that it's over 3.5 years since William disappeared and we haven't solved this matter.

"We are going to continue on until we do."

Until police know conclusively that William is not alive they will act with the possibility that he is, but Detective Jubelin said "we have grave, grave fears".

Toy found in bush, police prepare for day two of William Tyrrell search

Yes, if only we could be flies on the wall of SFR’s Incident Room. Although I’m not sure I want to know about some of the people they’ve had to deal with during the course of their investigation.

A warm welcome back soso *happy dances*

 

[SouthAussie]

If BS has a watertight alibi as in he has witnesses as to where he was that morning at the time William was taken then why does his name keep coming up,he sure has a lot of smoke around him,I think his biggest ally will be his biggest downfall if she is called to the stand if she has been lying for him this whole time,she put him in front of her grandkids who she lost custody of because of him,I think she would lay down everything and turn a blind eye to keep him,she just seems to be a very needy person to me.

Couldn't agree with you more, RubyHill. There are some very puzzling things about Spedding, his alibi as stated by Colin, and why he is still a POI at the top of the list.
I wonder if he has always been as close to Margaret as he has seemed in recent years? After all, they spent about a year living apart at one stage, when he was in Wellington and she was in Laurieton/Bonny Hills.

 

[sosocurious]

The Law states exactly what a Coroner can and can't do.

In William's inquest it may well be that certain people's names may be suppressed and evidence given in a 'cleared court'. I wouldnt be surprised to find the outcome will be 'open finding'.

Maybe the coroner may not need to make a finding at all. Just halt the inquest and bat it back to Roseann for further investigation.
Who knows what those first up on the stand will have to say in March.
I am really wondering who these unnamed witnesses or poi's are and what they might have to say....or NOT.

 

[sosocurious]

Couldn't agree with you more, RubyHill. There are some very puzzling things about Spedding, his alibi as stated by Colin, and why he is still a POI at the top of the list.
I wonder if he has always been as close to Margaret as he has seemed in recent years? After all, they spent about a year living apart at one stage, when he was in Wellington and she was in Laurieton.

Why was that so?

 

[SouthAussie]

Why was that so?

I have always wondered if it was something to do with this ....

The NSW Ombudsman is investigating how the children came to be living with Bill Spedding, despite authorities knowing he allegedly committed child abuse as far back as 1987.
Mother demands answers after Bill Spedding arrest

Mr Spedding told Channel 9, his arm around visibly upset wife, Margaret.
"We'll get through this, we'll stick together and get through this."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...n-missing-william-tyrell-20150123-12x4sl.html

 

[Bohemian]

Maybe the coroner may not need to make a finding at all. Just halt the inquest and bat it back to Roseann for further investigation.
Who knows what those first up on the stand will have to say in March.
I am really wondering who these unnamed witnesses or poi's are and what they might have to say....or NOT.

BBM.

Or to the DPP with the name of a known person to be charged with an indictable offence. (We can only hope.)

 

[sosocurious]

BBM.

Or to the DPP with the name of a known person to be charged with an indictable offence. (We can only hope.)

Yes wouldn't that be the best outcome.
A known person or unknown person being charged in relation to the disappearance of William.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes wouldn't that be the best outcome.
A known person or unknown person being charged in relation to the disappearance of William.

I think any unknown person may become known throughout the first sitting of the inquest?
Seems they are concentrating on the main POI(s?)/high risk person(s?) first.

A spokesperson from NSW Police said a ‘small pool of high risk persons of interest are actively being investigated’.

“We strongly believe there are people out there who have information on this and I make a point to those people – if you do have information concerning what happened to William you are at risk of committing a criminal offence by concealing an offence if you do not come forward,” Det Insp Jubelin said at the search site in Kendall earlier this year.

“I suggest you come to us before we come to you.”
Coronial inquest to shine spotlight on Tyrrell persons of interest

 

[sleepinoz]

I have always wondered if it was something to do with this ....

The NSW Ombudsman is investigating how the children came to be living with Bill Spedding, despite authorities knowing he allegedly committed child abuse as far back as 1987.
Mother demands answers after Bill Spedding arrest

Mr Spedding told Channel 9, his arm around visibly upset wife, Margaret.
"We'll get through this, we'll stick together and get through this."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...n-missing-william-tyrell-20150123-12x4sl.html

From memory, MS moved earlier than him to look after the children in Laurieton while BS was selling the business in Wellington - took him a while.

I've always thought it strange that she moved to Laurieton prior to him, wonder if it had anything to do with getting all the paperwork, inspections etc cleared before he joined her.

 

[SouthAussie]

From memory, MS moved earlier than him to look after the children in Laurieton while BS was selling the business in Wellington - took him a while.

I've always thought it strange that she moved to Laurieton prior to him, wonder if it had anything to do with getting all the paperwork, inspections etc cleared before he joined her.

Yes. It very well could be that Margaret needed to present a home for the children that was without any potential risks to the children. Otherwise why not have the children live in Wellington with her and Spedding until he was able to move/sold his business?

I wonder if Margaret ever reported the change of circumstances in the children's living conditions to FACS once Spedding moved in with them, as she was supposed to do.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yes. It very well could be that Margaret needed to present a home for the children that was without any potential risks to the children. Otherwise why not have the children live in Wellington with her and Spedding until he was able to move/sold his business?

I wonder if Margaret ever reported the change of circumstances in the children's living conditions to FACS once Spedding moved in with them, as she was supposed to do.

Question out of ignorance - will those sorts of things be asked / addressed at the inquest if it's deemed relevant?