Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #38

[JLZ]

I remember the Kendall Cellars bottle shop being asked to keep their CCTV. I recall us tracking the route to Kendall from Laurieton to see if the route went past Kendall Cellars.

I believe that if a person took the back way out of Kendall they could/would have gone right past the Kendall Cellars bottle shop.


"I can't say I look at any locals differently, but I guess you never know," Kendall Cellars owner Rheannon Chapman says.

"I think the police side of things, the suspicion, was there straight away," she says.

"Just little things like looking at our CCTV. We were told not to delete anything and that was the next day.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

I read that as police immediately told Kendall businesses not to delete CCTV before police had had time to view it. If CCTV was later found to contain anything likely to become evidence, I doubt it would have been handed back to a shop with the admonition not to lose it. Police would take a copy, sure, and either hang on to the original or give it back with the understanding harm could befall it.

Is Kendall Cellars the bottle shop on Comboyne Street?

 

[SouthAussie]

I read that as police immediately told Kendall businesses not to delete CCTV before police had had time to view it. If CCTV was later found to contain anything likely to become evidence, I doubt it would have been handed back to a shop with the admonition not to lose it. Police would take a copy, sure, and either hang on to the original or give it back with the understanding harm could befall it.

Is Kendall Cellars the bottle shop on Comboyne Street?

Yes, Comboyne Street. 'Keep' was an incorrect word for me to use ... 'not delete' is correct, so police could make a copy.

Looks like any CCTV in the front of the store may have captured traffic on Albert Street, too. Depending on the way it was angled at the time.

 

[JLZ]

Yes, Comboyne Street. 'Keep' was an incorrect word for me to use ... 'not delete' is correct, so police could make a copy.

Looks like any CCTV in the front of the store may have captured traffic on Albert Street, too. Depending on the way it was angled at the time.

Has there been another mention of a bottle shop? Stranger in town or asking directions or something like that? Or am I confabulating things?

 

[bearbear]

i was thinking it was the cellarbrations bottle store next to bs office on bold st i assumed theyd had a name change since/before google st view?
they might have had street view of buzz cafe customers that day?

 

[JLZ]

i was thinking it was the cellarbrations bottle store next to bs office on bold st i assumed theyd had a name change since/before google st view?

There may have been name changes but I was thinking Kendall Cellars would be in Kendall not Laurieton.

 

[bearbear]

ok yes of course, so hopefully cellarbrations also had working cctv that day and it was checked, its right next door to the office so should show bs arriving/leaving that day and also other aquaintances if they went there, although the cameras may have only been pointed the other way

 

[Bohemian]

Has there been another mention of a bottle shop? Stranger in town or asking directions or something like that? Or am I confabulating things?

Maybe you’re thinking of the man who was reported to have asked directions at the Kendall General Store? It says specifically to Benaroon Drive in the search engine results for the following Australian article:

Nocookies

I don’t have a sub to the Australian, so maybe another poster can post a précis of the article please?

ETA: Never mind, I found a mention of that report in an SMH article:

‘Strike Force Rosann detectives are sifting through hundreds of pieces of information: possible sightings, bits of clothing, a man who asked at the general store for directions to Benaroon Drive. But nothing has proven credible.’
Kendall in agony over mystery of a little boy lost

 

[purpleandgreen]

I read that as police immediately told Kendall businesses not to delete CCTV before police had had time to view it. If CCTV was later found to contain anything likely to become evidence, I doubt it would have been handed back to a shop with the admonition not to lose it. Police would take a copy, sure, and either hang on to the original or give it back with the understanding harm could befall it.

Is Kendall Cellars the bottle shop on Comboyne Street?

That's it, JLZ. From personal experience from when there were some break and enters in our suburb, police took a copy of our CCTV footage and took it away with them. We didn't have to keep ours, although we do have some stills from it.

And just for the record, while we have CCTV, we certainly don't sit inside watching the outside all day. In private properties, It's more for 'after the fact', as BL said. It's public spaces etc where it's watched all of the time eg railway stations, city malls etc. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

ok yes of course, so hopefully cellarbrations also had working cctv that day and it was checked, its right next door to the office so should show bs arriving/leaving that day and also other aquaintances if they went there, although the cameras may have only been pointed the other way

Most/many/all(?) bottle shops seem to have CCTV. As you say, Laurieton Cellar's could be very useful CCTV.

I think we have seen on other threads and cases, the CCTV tends to point to the shop doorway, front of the shop, and street ... presumably to capture images of break and enter and approach/escape. (Perhaps CCTV at the back, too, to capture the back entryway.)

When a vehicle passes by CCTV, police can usually determine the speed of the vehicle, whether it is slowing to park, whether it is accelerating to drive away, whether it is just cruising right by. imo


'The man who owns the shop underneath the unit they were searching has been talking about it,' a staff member at the Laurieton United Services Club told Daily Mail Australia.
'He owns the Laurieton Cellars and was saying that police were upstairs, going in and out all day.'
William Spedding claims he had nothing to do with William Tyrell disappearance | Daily Mail Online

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe you’re thinking of the man who was reported to have asked directions at the Kendall General Store? It says specifically to Benaroon Drive in the search engine results for the following Australian article:

Nocookies

I don’t have a sub to the Australian, so maybe another poster can post a précis of the article please?

ETA: Never mind, I found a mention of that report in an SMH article:

‘Strike Force Rosann detectives are sifting through hundreds of pieces of information: possible sightings, bits of clothing, a man who asked at the general store for directions to Benaroon Drive. But nothing has proven credible.’
Kendall in agony over mystery of a little boy lost

Another article says he was asking for directions to a place near where William disappeared.

I guess 'near' could mean one of the properties that were for sale at the time.


Chapman said she has heard about the man who had walked into one of the businesses in town and asked for directions to near where William went missing. She believes the story is true.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

 

[JLZ]

Another article says he was asking for directions to a place near where William disappeared.

I guess 'near' could mean one of the properties that were for sale at the time.


Chapman said she has heard about the man who had walked into one of the businesses in town and asked for directions to near where William went missing. She believes the story is true.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

Perhaps I connected the report with a bottle shop because it was the bottle shop owner who commented on the rumour.

 

[Bohemian]

Another article says he was asking for directions to a place near where William disappeared.

I guess 'near' could mean one of the properties that were for sale at the time.


Chapman said she has heard about the man who had walked into one of the businesses in town and asked for directions to near where William went missing. She believes the story is true.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

Another article says he was asking for directions to a place near where William disappeared.

I guess 'near' could mean one of the properties that were for sale at the time.


Chapman said she has heard about the man who had walked into one of the businesses in town and asked for directions to near where William went missing. She believes the story is true.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141101-11fbdi.html

There were also numerous MSM reports that the man asked for directions to Batar Creek Road, recently reiterated in this article:

‘In Kendall, a shop owner would remember that a man had asked for directions to Batar Creek Road, which runs between the township and the spot from where William had vanished.’
What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?

 

[they'll get you]

There’s 9 banks along Bold Street Laurieton and the ANZ (closed in 2018) was practically next door to the school so I imagine bank’s cameras would take footage outside and along the street of anyone walking or driving close by.
Admittedly the ANZ is away from the Buzz Cafe it’s cameras might have taken footage of cars going past.

 

[SouthAussie]

There’s 9 banks along Bold Street Laurieton and the ANZ (closed in 2018) was practically next door to the school so I imagine bank’s cameras would take footage outside and along the street of anyone walking or driving close by.
Admittedly the ANZ is away from the Buzz Cafe it’s cameras might have taken footage of cars going past.

As well as the CCTV in Laurieton, there is very likely also CCTV along the way to Kendall.
I am thinking of the North Haven Bowling Club (when entering/leaving Laurieton from Bonny Hills)

... and when leaving/entering Laurieton from the Kendall direction, CCTV at places like the Caltex and Woolworths on Ocean Drive in Lakewood, the Enhance petrol station at Kew, George's Mechanical and GTH Automotives on Kendall Road, and then you are in Kendall where there is other CCTV.

Any/all of these places may have CCTV.

Remembering all the places that likely had CCTV that tracked Borce Ristevski's movements. Who thought of the railway station, in that regard? ..... the police did.

 

[Thebottomline]

Daniel's case was also solved, and he was a teenager waiting for a bus on a roadside. Nothing like WT's case IMO

Interesting that mr morcombe has spoken publicly about this particular case then.

 

[Violet77]

I believe that if William was targeted for abduction, police would have found evidence of "stalking" or the reason why he was targeted by now. Of course we don't know what evidence they have found, but we can speculate based on MSM reporting & what little LE have said publicly, that William was snatched during a chance encounter while out of his Mother's reach. Unbelievably good luck for the perp, horribly bad luck for poor little William.

 

[they'll get you]

Who would ever think?
Taken inches from his mum in a busy shopping centre.

Innocence meets evil or should be evil finds innocence.

Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia

 

[SouthAussie]

Who would ever think?
Taken inches from his mum in a busy shopping centre.

Innocence meets evil or should be evil finds innocence.

Murder of James Bulger - Wikipedia

So many cases like these ones that we could reference, unfortunately.
Random and opportunistic attacks.

A man has been charged with kidnapping and sexually assaulting a little girl after her mother briefly lost sight of her in a Queensland Kmart.
QLD girl allegedly kidnapped and sexually assaulted by man at local Kmart

 

[Sillybilly]

It has been posted numerous times by Tricia, Admin and Mods that the foster family is off limits for discussion/speculation. Posts speculating in that regard, and all responses, have been removed.

Further attempts to introduce speculation about the foster family will result in a thread reply ban.

 

[they'll get you]

I’m hoping Williams coroners court can do some shaking.

From the moment police had failed to find anything in Brett Cowan's 4WD all those years ago he had had the upper hand.

And the stark, heartbreaking reality was this: When a shaken Brett Cowan walked out of the coroner’s court on April Fool’s Day 2010, despite having been torn apart at the inquest and Peter Johns, Bruce Morcombe and almost everyone connected to the case being now certain he was Daniel’s killer, all he had to do was stay silent. And he was home free.

Daniel’s disappearance would never be solved. Never. His body never found. Bruce and Denise Morcombe would go to their graves not knowing what happened to their boy.

Police had one last shot in the locker. It was expensive and deliciously elaborate - the sort of thing movies are made about. It was Mr Big.


Category: | The Courier Mail

It’s a good read.