Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #38

[Bohemian]

You're too


Anyone would think I am a supporter of Spedding the way you and others react. I just don't consider he has had anything to do with what occurred with William its that plain and simple. I am sure there is someone that was whirling away in his background that knows exactly what has occurred. That person has motive. That person does not have a family connection to Spedding nor to his Lakewood mate.

Personally, I don’t care if you’re a supporter of Spedding’s or not. What I do care about about are consistently incomprehensible posts spamming William’s thread, often demeaning OP, and now alluding to some sort of conspiracy against Spedding. That, my friend, is beyond conjecture.

So you’re sure someone in Spedding’s background set him up and the person has motive? Motive for what? Setting Spedding up as a POI in William’s abduction? That is a pretty strong statement to make without anything concrete to back it up.

I suggest if you believe there has been a crime committed, such as some sort of conspiracy, that you take it to the relevant authorities. Nothing can be done about it here by discussing it with OP ad nauseum. This is is a discussion board, not the NSW Justice Department. In any case, your mate will have his day in court sooner rather than later; courtesy of the NSW Coroner.

 

[SouthAussie]

So ... did Spedding forget to tell police that he went to Buzz Cafe for a coffee? And/or that he went to the assembly? And/or that he paid for coffee by card?
His 10 page recorded interview was 'soon after' William disappeared.



Instead, at that “crucial time” when William went missing, the Speddings were sitting at the Buzz Cafe in Laurieton, 10km from Kendall, according to Mr Youngberry.

“They have got proof that they were at the cafe because he paid for the coffees by card,” he said.

Mr Spedding and his wife then attended a presentation across the road at Laurieton Primary School, where one of the grandchildren was receiving an award.

Investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned Mr Spedding this week, Mr Youngberry said.

“But I’ve downloaded the receipt and he (Mr Spedding) has now got it in his hot little hand,” he said.
Nocookies
The Australian - January 23, 2015

 

[sleepinoz]

So ... did Spedding forget to tell police that he went to Buzz Cafe for a coffee? And/or that he went to the assembly? And/or that he paid for coffee by card?
His 10 page recorded interview was 'soon after' William disappeared.



Instead, at that “crucial time” when William went missing, the Speddings were sitting at the Buzz Cafe in Laurieton, 10km from Kendall, according to Mr Youngberry.

“They have got proof that they were at the cafe because he paid for the coffees by card,” he said.

Mr Spedding and his wife then attended a presentation across the road at Laurieton Primary School, where one of the grandchildren was receiving an award.

Investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned Mr Spedding this week, Mr Youngberry said.

“But I’ve downloaded the receipt and he (Mr Spedding) has now got it in his hot little hand,” he said.
Nocookies
The Australian - January 23, 2015

IMO BS hadn't mentioned where he had been on the day in is first interview soon after William disappeared.

Did he not remember 'soon after' but did months later ?

 

[drsleuth]

I can't wait till we hear ( hopefully ) evidence from the inquest which we can than take as fact!! It's hard to form an opinion when we have differing "facts" from MSM

 

[Violet77]

Perhaps I don’t want my shoes to have anything to do with someone suspected of child abuse .

Perhaps I don’t want my shoes to be associated with someone who’s a poi in child abduction. Perhaps I don’t want my shoes associated with someone who’s under house has been dug up by law enforcement.

I could go on......

Why do you think it’s a set up? And who do you think set it up? And just as a matter of interest that would certainly clarify a few things- are you related to Spedding or his very extended family?

And if not, how about walking a mile in the shoes of William’s families? They’re all victims here as well as poor little William. They have my deepest sympathy and empathy.

Exactly PG!

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO BS hadn't mentioned where he had been on the day in is first interview soon after William disappeared.

Did he not remember 'soon after' but did months later ?

Yes, I think it is very possible that Spedding told police that he worked in Dunbogan that day - in his initial statement. That he hadn't scheduled grandma's work for that day, no matter what she said. (And I think she may have said that he was supposed to come to the house that morning, when the police asked if she was expecting anyone that day, had anyone been to the house, etc.)

He may have told the police about the other bits and pieces much later.

Interestingly, Nichols was also in Dunbogan when William went missing ... at around the same time as Spedding claims he was.


Tradesman Bill Spedding, who also denies any involvement, told detectives he was repairing a washing machine in Dunbogan shortly after William went missing.
Fresh twist in hunt for William Tyrrell

Nichols had been living in Kendall at the time William disappeared, and his property backed onto a preschool.
He is convicted of child sex offences relating to a 1985 incident against an 11-year-boy, and was also found guilty of possessing child in 2007.
He told police he was in Dunbogan, a 20-minute drive away when the three-year-old disappeared.
The persons of interest in missing William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

 

[SouthAussie]

Come to think of it, this one little line may have just answered my question on why the massive searches were done 4 months after William disappeared.
A big change of story? A change that didn't match with something the police already knew?

Investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned Mr Spedding this week, Mr Youngberry said.
The Australian - January 23, 2015

 

[sosocurious]

IMO BS hadn't mentioned where he had been on the day in is first interview soon after William disappeared.

Did he not remember 'soon after' but did months later ?

I agree sleep

Imo the 10 pg interview may have been more about the lead up, the quote. The
message from fm and his said attempt to call back. Maybe some detail about his movements in the days since he had been into grandma's house to do the quote.
What he and nana discussed on the 8th or 9th and his expected time of return. Which of course BS never cleared up in his video.

I am sure he would have been asked where he was that morning, though.
Imo he may have given a simple answer. I was somewhere doing another job. Dunbogan maybe?
When that did not check out, he remembered he was with the Mrs at that crucial time sipping on coffee.
jmo

Edit - Just saw your post above SA.
Same thinking we have.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree sleep

Imo the 10 pg interview may have been more about the lead up, the quote. The
message from fm and his said attempt to call back. Maybe some detail about his movements in the days since he had been into grandma's house to do the quote.
What he and nana discussed on the 8th or 9th and his expected time of return. Which of course BS never cleared up in his video.

I am sure he would have been asked where he was that morning, though.
Imo he may have given a simple answer. I was somewhere doing another job. Dunbogan maybe?
When that did not check out, he remembered he was with the Mrs at that crucial time sipping on coffee.
jmo

Edit - Just saw your post above SA.
Same thinking we have.

I wonder if this Dunbogan job thing is how the North Haven Bowling Club came into this. Perhaps their CCTV shows - or an eyewitness from there indicated - movements at times other than what Spedding had told the police.
How did the media know to get onto the North Haven Bowling Club?


When the nearby North Haven Bowling Club was asked for information, they abruptly refused to comment.
'We can't say anything about it. We won't say anything about what's going on,' a manager said.
How missing William Tyrrell's disappearance has baffled a nation | Daily Mail Online

 

[deugirtni]

Thankyou , I think someone said that the assembly time was changed Aswell. Sorry not sure why papertrail post has been quoted here with yours

That seems to be par for the course as far as this case is concerned... it seems like every single point has been stated at least two different (opposite?) ways, from the very beginning. A lonnnnggggg time ago, I had started keeping a log of all of the discrepancies reported - in fact, I believe that is part of the reason I became interested in this case - it was just so bizarre in every aspect - but I never followed through with the logging. It seems there is really no way to know anything for sure, unless it has come directly from someone's mouth (either heard in an audio/video recording or quoted directly - and hopefully then we could count on it being accurate, but still there's a chance the reporter could've gotten it wrong, but if they did, I'd hope they would've been corrected and a correction printed?), ie Spedding himself, the foster parents themselves, the police themselves, etc. Media don't seem to have much accuracy at all.

 

[stormbird]

That seems to be par for the course as far as this case is concerned... it seems like every single point has been stated at least two different (opposite?) ways, from the very beginning.
(...snipped by stormbird...)
Media don't seem to have much accuracy at all.

Re media inaccuracies: after the inquest's directions hearing in December last year, Counsel Assisting the Coroner, whose first name is Gerard (as written on his firm's website), was called "Gerald" by the Sydney Morning Herald, and "Graham" by 9News.

 

[Wexford]

So ... did Spedding forget to tell police that he went to Buzz Cafe for a coffee? And/or that he went to the assembly? And/or that he paid for coffee by card?
His 10 page recorded interview was 'soon after' William disappeared.



Instead, at that “crucial time” when William went missing, the Speddings were sitting at the Buzz Cafe in Laurieton, 10km from Kendall, according to Mr Youngberry.

“They have got proof that they were at the cafe because he paid for the coffees by card,” he said.

Mr Spedding and his wife then attended a presentation across the road at Laurieton Primary School, where one of the grandchildren was receiving an award.

Investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned Mr Spedding this week, Mr Youngberry said.

“But I’ve downloaded the receipt and he (Mr Spedding) has now got it in his hot little hand,” he said.
Nocookies
The Australian - January 23, 2015

BBM
Doesn't a 10 page statement indicate a lot of information? I have never had to give a statement to police but I would assume that it would be a simple case of what time I went where and who was there. In this case what time at the school, coffee shop and Dunbogan and what route did you take and who was there. What could take up 10 pages? They must have had a lot more questions to ask him. I wonder how many pages others filled up?

 

[sleepinoz]

BBM
Doesn't a 10 page statement indicate a lot of information? I have never had to give a statement to police but I would assume that it would be a simple case of what time I went where and who was there. In this case what time at the school, coffee shop and Dunbogan and what route did you take and who was there. What could take up 10 pages? They must have had a lot more questions to ask him. I wonder how many pages others filled up?

Not really, from all the statements I've given or seen they start with time date who your being interviewed by, their position, where your being interviewed and why etc, your name, address, occupation, etc - that usually takes up a couple of pages. Then each question is a paragraph, each answer is a paragraph and everything is double spaced.

There would be a few questions, but 10 pages isn't a big interview. IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

And I am sure to those contributors here that discuss one poi ad nauseum without considering any other scenario.

However, you will know, a part of the "contributors" maybe aren't able to discuss all their own theories besides BS? Which wouldn't relieve him completely, but would give him a less important role perhaps.

 

[Bohemian]

However, you will know, a part of the "contributors" maybe aren't able to discuss all their own theories besides BS? Which wouldn't relieve him completely, but would give him a less important role perhaps.

Exactly, we have to follow WS’ TOS, which means that we can only discuss that which is printed in MSM and is relevant to William’s missing persons’ case.

Spedding is allowed to be discussed as he was named as a POI in MSM and is not, in fact, a victim of crime as is William and his loved ones. [Edited for inaccuracy.]

Spedding most certainly is an interested person as far as the Coroner’s Court is concerned wrt William’s inquest, in that his lawyer, Peter O’Brien, stated that
Spedding had been summoned to attend. (As are all interested persons where adverse evidence may be given against them at an inquest, as I understand it.)

We certainly can’t discuss or allude to theories based purely on conjecture without any concrete statements, such as those found in MSM and scholarly journals, to back them up.

All MOO.

 

[RubyHill]

Talking about walking in his shoes and Cols mention of his "hot little hand" is making me ill,what in the world was Col thinking to come up with that phrase considering how serious the allegations against his mate were /are,I wouldnt like to put one foot in MS shoes either.

 

[SouthAussie]

Re media inaccuracies: after the inquest's directions hearing in December last year, Counsel Assisting the Coroner, whose first name is Gerard (as written on his firm's website), was called "Gerald" by the Sydney Morning Herald, and "Graham" by 9News.

Likely because he is called Mr Craddock in court, and those couple of journos just asked someone in court for his first name, and wrote what they were told.

http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/govinden, jean francis didier- findings.pdf

When you do a google search on 'counsel assisting coroner william tyrrell', the first two pages of the google search (19 articles) show previews stating 'Gerard Craddock'.

 

[SouthAussie]

Whether this ‘naming’ is the subject of a defamation hearing against the media companies concerned is immaterial at this point in time. That is, until that case is settled in Spedding’s favour, he is fair game.

The naming isn't the subject of the defamation cases, Bo.
It was the 'S' missing from a photo of him by his van (he claimed it portrayed him as a pedo), and is the error of calling him a convicted pedo by a certain publication.
Even then, his lawyer advised him to wait until he wasn't a convicted pedo (court case) before he lodged his defamation suits.

The naming of him was cleared by the National Press Council when it ruled that an article (I believe in SMH) he complained about as having been deemed fair and balanced reporting.

 

[Bohemian]

The naming isn't the subject of the defamation cases, Bo.
It was the 'S' missing from a photo of him by his van (he said claimed it portrayed him as a pedo), and is the error of calling him a convicted pedo by a certain publication.
Even then, his lawyers advised him to wait until he wasn't a convicted pedo (court case) before he lodged his defamation suits.

The naming of him was cleared by the National Press Council when it ruled that an article (I believe in SMH) he complained about as having been deemed fair and balanced reporting.

My bad. [Edited my previous post to remove inaccuracy.]

 

[SouthAussie]

My bad.

Sorry. Just wanted to keep the details of the defamation suits straight, on the thread. So there is no confusion.