Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[purpleandgreen]

Actually, that is a really good point. Are Acast, Spotify and itunes considered MSM. Just because well known journalists are conducting the interviews etc. on the podcast, does not mean that the content is held to the same standard as what would be published from a MSM outlet. IMO

No idea, sorry. I don't have any of them. But they're certainly different from SM like Facebook, I would imagine, but I don't have that either - not interested in the nasty, muck raking things & downright lies that go on there. That's why I like WS. Good TOS and no (well most of the time) social media rubbish.

 

[frogwell]

one thing has sttod out to me from the ffc statement at the inquest and this podcast and 60mins interviews etc, she likes to paint a picture, the cup of tea making etc, tell a story of normality, they both mention normal a lot, a normal, happy family,
i realise they are probably trying to emphasise how in these normal family circumstances how abnormal the abduction seems, amd a lot of people express themselves like this and maybe she feels guilt for william disappearing under her watch so doesnt want to be judged,
but to me it just feels like its a script, with each word chosen very carefully, even the 000 call seemed measured,
im not judging or accusing the fc or anyone of anything, just observing

I guess many have our niggles and feelings about different aspects of the case that we can't shake, I know I have from about day 4 of this case up til the present day.

 

[sosocurious]

I guess many have our niggles and feelings about different aspects of the case that we can't shake, I know I have from about day 4 of this case up til the present day.

Day 4 - please explain.

 

[frogwell]

Day 4 - please explain.

The information that was contained in media reports accumulatively over those 1st 4 days....

 

[Thebottomline]

Agree, have just consulted the mod to see if the way the podcast is published if it is deemed MSM.

I believe it’s in conjunction with channel 10

 

[purpleandgreen]

I believe it’s in conjunction with channel 10

I think you're right, tbl, from what I remember reading a few pages back here, so legitimate MSM.

 

[bearbear]

hearing little william laughing and his baby voice, hes bursting with excitement and energy, a holiday in bali and riding his new bike,
its all so sad!

 

[purpleandgreen]

hearing little william laughing and his baby voice, hes bursting with excitement and energy, a holiday in bali and riding his new bike,
its all so sad!

Yes tragic, bb. I just can't think of a punishment strong enough for the perpetrator. Death is too easy. IMO.

 

[papertrail]

No he hadn't - he arrested the ex BIL on murder charges. Had nothing to do with the historical charges in the past, they were before he joined the force.

https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproje...gary-jubelin-charged-with-misconduct/11234062

Jubelin joined nsw police in 1985. BS historic charges relate to alleged offences in 1987.

Bill Spedding, ‘person of interest’ in William Tyrrell case, seeks bail over historical sex abuse charges | New South Wales | The Guardian

 

[Bohemian]

A successful prosecution should NEVER depend on one person. Rosann Taskforce is Team. And the old adage of no I in Team is the perfect fit for this investigation.

To consider the be all and end all of a successful prosecution is dependant on one person ie Jubelin is foolhardy imo.

Again, you are missing my original point. By all accounts, homicide victims’ families have leaned very heavily upon Jubes for support. He is a compassionate man as well as a dedicated police officer and he will be missed by the families he has worked so hard to get answers for. Case in point:

Where's William Tyrrell? Bring Him Home - Official

 

[Bohemian]

https://amp-abc-net-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/11234062?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-21/william-tyrrell-case-cop-gary-jubelin-charged-with-misconduct/11234062

Jubelin joined nsw police in 1985. BS historic charges relate to alleged offences in 1987.

Bill Spedding, ‘person of interest’ in William Tyrrell case, seeks bail over historical sex abuse charges | New South Wales | The Guardian

I, for one, would like to see a link to an MSM article that states DCI Jubelin questioned BS in relation to the matters of the alleged child sexual assaults back in 1987.

 

[papertrail]

Just wanted to say to those that are saying that GJ's actions, if true and it's found he was in the wrong, will have a bearing on "the case" - what case?

There is no case as at this moment.

They haven't charged anyone, that will be up to the Coroner to recommend charges against any individual. I'm sure that she will take all legalities into account when she makes any such recommendation.

If he is found guilty and an alleged perpetrator had been recorded without warrant whatever has been recorded may not be produced as evidence in a prosecution.

 

[papertrail]

Then you also have Bodycams, that record throughout the Officers duty time. I'm sure there are unsuspecting public that are recorded - is this against the law?

The Surveillance Devices Act NSW Covers what you raise. Might be worthwhile reading the Act linked here a few times. The Evidence Act as well.

 

[they'll get you]

What’s this about a podcast can I have the link please so I can listen?

 

[purpleandgreen]

You know what, I don't care about the law. What I care about is catching the mongrel who took this innocent little boy and put his families through hell. Whatever it takes. IMO.

 

[Bohemian]

What’s this about a podcast can I have the link please so I can listen?

You mean the one released today by Channel 10?

Here you go:

https://play.acast.com/s/wheres-william-tyrrell

 

[Wexford]

I, for one, would like to see a link to an MSM article that states DCI Jubelin questioned BS in relation to the matters of the alleged child sexual assaults back in 1987.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...dering-rapist-court-told-20150615-ghnx8h.html
"Homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin arrested Mr Spedding on April 22, 2015, more than 10 years after he took Hillsley into custody. Mr Spedding is charged with five counts of sexually abusing two girls, aged three and six, in the 1980s."

According to this article he arrested Spedding so therefore one assumes he interviewed him re the 1987 assaults. However I note that this article states that this was more than 10 years after he arrested Hillsley (and this is 2015) so that means that he arrested Hillsley around 2009/10?

Actually New Years Day 2004 according to this article: NoCookies | The Australian (this was during his time on Tuno too).
"The police officer leading the investigation into William’s disappearance, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, was involved in the arrest of Hillsley at the time, interviewing him on New Year’s Day 2004."
I would be interested to know if their paths crossed at all in the process of this investigation and perhaps the 1987 assaults were mentioned by witnesses at the time (remembering that Hillsley was also implicated in them as well).
I always believed GJ was assigned to this case because of the connections (Makara and I argued this point a few times).

 

[Bohemian]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...dering-rapist-court-told-20150615-ghnx8h.html
"Homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin arrested Mr Spedding on April 22, 2015, more than 10 years after he took Hillsley into custody. Mr Spedding is charged with five counts of sexually abusing two girls, aged three and six, in the 1980s."

According to this article he arrested Spedding so therefore one assumes he interviewed him re the 1987 assaults. However I note that this article states that this was more than 10 years after he arrested Hillsley (and this is 2015) so that means that he arrested Hillsley around 2009/10?

Actually New Years Day 2004 according to this article: NoCookies | The Australian
"The police officer leading the investigation into William’s disappearance, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, was involved in the arrest of Hillsley at the time, interviewing him on New Year’s Day 2004."
I would be interested to know if their paths crossed at all in the process of this investigation and perhaps the 1987 assaults were mentioned by witnesses at the time (remembering that Hillsley was also implicated in them as well).
I always believed GJ was assigned to this case because of the connections (Makara and I argued this point a few times).

Yes, Wex, I know he arrested Hillsley but what I am asking for is an MSM link that states Jubes questioned BS in 1987 in relation to the alleged child sexual assaults.

It seems (at the time of publication of papertrail’s Guardian article link) BS’ record of interview, as well as that of the girls’ mother, were unable to be found.

It could be that Jubes was involved in interviewing BS in 1987 —that would have depended on if the locations where Jubes was stationed and BS resided at that time coincided — but without a link from MSM to confirm any connection we can’t say for sure.

 

[papertrail]

I, for one, would like to see a link to an MSM article that states DCI Jubelin questioned BS in relation to the matters of the alleged child sexual assaults back in 1987.

There was an article very early in the Tyrrell investigation when BS name was 1st outted in media. It must be paywalled now and I cannot locate the story but it was there.

Spedding and Hillsley are alleged to have lived in a caravan in which the sex assaults that are alleged to have occurred. Jubelin was involved in the investigation of Hillsley in 1987. He would have known Spedding's connection to Hillsley as Spedding was bro in law to Hillsley. When Jubelin discovered BS name in Tyrrell case he went after him and attempted to convict BS with 1987 allegations and no doubt with involvement with the Tyrrell disappearance - no connection substantiated to date.

 

[Bohemian]

There was an article very early in the Tyrrell investigation when BS name was 1st outted in media. It must be paywalled now and I cannot locate the story but it was there.

Spedding and Hillsley are alleged to have lived in a caravan in which the sex assaults that are alleged to have occurred. Jubelin was involved in the investigation of Hillsley in 1987. He would have known Spedding's connection to Hillsley as Spedding was bro in law to Hillsley. When Jubelin discovered BS name in Tyrrell case he went after him and attempted to convict BS with 1987 allegations and no doubt with involvement with the Tyrrell disappearance - no connection substantiated to date.

No link, no go.