Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[sleepinoz]

Ok, so after reading the article, you are saying, those who want to "clean up" police culture are pushing back in a unified way and may well be doing so on Strikeforce Rosann?

No, I'm saying that what happened to this poor officer (pressure, intimidation etc) could have happened to those 10 police staff (as reported by 1 MSM agency), by the powers above.

BTW - GJ hasn't been charged for anything like this "supposed" allegation, he's only been charged with Surveillance Act breeches as far as we know. So this whole conversation is probably mute.

 

[sleepinoz]

I look forward to the next podcast, I’ve emailed to see when the next one will be out

I think it's weekly TBL.

 

[SouthAussie]

It's difficult to tell from that short snippet, but do you think it means that the recording was done "Four months after" Jubes was sidelined?

I hate the DT

No .... paraphrasing

4 months after Jubes was sidelined from the investigation he was charged with 4 breaches of the Surveillance Devices Act. (and we already know it took weeks to make the decision to charge him)

They started investigating Jubes after complaints were made last year about his management style.

Then that led to an investigation by the Professional Standards Command commencing in 2018, at which time Jubes was removed from the case.

(from the same link that I posted above)

I think I have also read elsewhere that the recordings were made in 2018.

 

[Thebottomline]

No .... paraphrasing

4 months after Jubes was sidelined from the investigation he was charged with 4 breaches of the Surveillance Devices Act. (and we already know it took weeks to make the decision to charge him)

They started investigating Jubes after complaints were made last year about his management style.

Then that led to an investigation by the Professional Standards Command, at which time Jubes was removed from the case.

(from the same link that I posted above)

I think I have also read elsewhere that the recordings were made in 2018.

Yes I believe they were 2018 aswell from memory

 

[sleepinoz]

Where's William Tyrrell?

Video at link from tonight's 10 News

 

[frogwell]

No, I'm saying that what happened to this poor officer (pressure, intimidation etc) could have happened to those 10 police staff (as reported by 1 MSM agency), by the powers above.

OK, I'm thick, please spell it out for me. I don't need a link, I just want to understand who you are thinking of and your reason please?

 

[they'll get you]

Victims' families including those of murdered Tenterfield teen Clinton Speedy-Duroux, have labelled the case against a high-profile NSW homicide detective a "witch hunt", pledging their support for Gary Jubelin who is accused of using a mobile phone to record someone without a warrant

It's understood the claims related to staff management and the recordings
"Those inquiries disclosed a number of recordings allegedly made at locations in Parramatta and Kendall in NSW," a police statement said

"recordings made during the execution of Inspector Jubelin's duties".

Top NSW detective Gary Jubelin charged with misconduct

 

[sleepinoz]

OK, I'm thick, please spell it out for me. I don't need a link, I just want to understand who you are thinking of and your reason please?

What I am supposing, and what I have shown in links, is that sometimes Police Staff are pressured into saying and reporting things that didn't happen. eg. If your a jnr officer and want to keep your job - pressure from those in high places can be intimidating.

I think I've explained it well enough several times, if you don't get it now I don't think you will or want to.

 

[frogwell]

What I am supposing, and what I have shown in links, is that sometimes Police Staff are pressured into saying and reporting things that didn't happen. eg. If your a jnr officer and want to keep your job - pressure from those in high places can be intimidating.

I think I've explained it well enough several times, if you don't get it now I don't think you will or want to.

Oh well, I wasn't trying to be obtuse, I'm genuine, I understand the scenario, I just would have thought all the juniors would have been working under GJ. Who would be senior to him, putting pressure on his staff? Doesn't matter...

 

[frogwell]

What I am supposing, and what I have shown in links, is that sometimes Police Staff are pressured into saying and reporting things that didn't happen. eg. If your a jnr officer and want to keep your job - pressure from those in high places can be intimidating.

I think I've explained it well enough several times, if you don't get it now I don't think you will or want to.

Ok, re-reading, feeling thick... aha! is this article heading in the right direction? NoCookies | The Australian

 

[Thebottomline]

A well known and documented alleged POI was living in Sydney for a time. Perhaps the recording occurred at this time.

If it was a well known poi could you refer to who you’re talking about

 

[sleepinoz]

Ok, re-reading, feeling thick... aha! is this article heading in the right direction? NoCookies | The Australian

Don't know - can't read it

 

[papertrail]

BTW - GJ hasn't been charged for anything like this "supposed" allegation, he's only been charged with Surveillance Act breeches as far as we know. So this whole conversation is probably mute.

To obtain a warrant the applying officer must also swear an affidavit. Media reports previously indicated allegations of falsifying an affidavit.

If that affidavit had been part of a separate application for a warrant then one of the charges may be relevant to falsifying an affidavit.

may be an application for a warrant was submitted but the warrant was not issued but recording still went ahead.

 

[papertrail]

Yes I believe they were 2018 aswell from memory

I do not believe there has been an official statement as to when the alleged offences took place.

Staff complaints were received in 2018. Doesnt mean recordings per the charges were made then.

 

[papertrail]

No, I'm saying that what happened to this poor officer (pressure, intimidation etc) could have happened to those 10 police staff (as reported by 1 MSM agency), by the powers above.

Or by Jubelin when he directed the 10 officers to act against the requirements of the Surveillance Devices Act as detailed in media.

 

[Thebottomline]

I do not believe there has been an official statement as to when the alleged offences took place.

Staff complaints were received in 2018. Doesnt mean recordings per the charges were made then.

Yeah ok, not that important anyway IMO

 

[Thebottomline]

Or by Jubelin when he directed the 10 officers to act against the requirements of the Surveillance Devices Act as detailed in media.

Allegedly
To clarify - a line from the “ Australian”
Those inquiries disclosed a number of recordings allegedly made at locations in Parramatta and Kendall in NSW.’’

 

[frogwell]

Don't know - can't read it

Three charged over Sydney murder

OK, what about this one?

 

[sleepinoz]

Three charged over Sydney murder

OK, what about this one?

Yep, got it. Gimme a sec to read

 

[sleepinoz]

Three charged over Sydney murder

OK, what about this one?

Um No.