Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[SouthAussie]

Hunt for Bowraville children’s killer has defined me, says Jubelin
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RSBM

It speaks of the petition, in your linked article. Over 10,000 signatures.

I just looked at the site, it currently stands at 10,371 - with people still signing.

 

[interested64]

A few more comments and pics from Mr Savage ... from earlier days.
Sometimes I wonder if the media knew things that we hadn't yet twigged onto.


"If he had wandered, he would have been found," Savage says.
"When I go for a walk you still find yourself keeping an eye out, hoping for a scream or a yell and not a horrible smell.
"I don't know how his family has coped, it must be torture for them."
William TYRELL
Oct 2014

The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age Photos - NCH WK END MAG. The town of Kendall is still reeling from the disappearance of young boy William Tyrell from his grandma's yard.
Oct 2014


“Very few people around here knew him and his sister, not many of us, just two little kids visiting,” Mr Savage told news.com.au.
“They wouldn’t go wandering. They would stay close to their grandmother.
“You’d never see them unless you were walking or driving past.”
What happened on the day William Tyrrell vanished?
Dec 2018

so he says he knows the kids..he also observed they dont wander

 

[interested64]

Yes, if William ran down that slope, as little children like to do ... he would have been right near that roadside, completely unseen from the house, and anyone there could have quietly spirited William away in the friendliest of manners.

like maybe time for my walk....little red boy waiting for his dad

 

[SouthAussie]

like maybe time for my walk....little red boy waiting for his dad

“You’d never see them unless you were walking or driving past.”

 

[Thebottomline]

so he says he knows the kids..he also observed they dont wander

Too much information from PS I think

 

[Lemony]

Something I keep coming back to is how quiet the area has been described and whether a car would have been able to enter the street, turn, stop to take William, take off and exit, all without being heard.

William's foster mother said sound carries "unbelievably" well in the little village of Kendall and "you can hear everything”

"I couldn't hear a thing. It was silent. There was no wind. There were no birds," the foster carer said on Tuesday at a Sydney coronial inquest into William's disappearance and suspected death.

High-pitched scream minutes after William vanished

Around the time William disappeared it was still, perfect for outside sounds to be heard IMO

In the first episode of the Where’s William podcast Lia Harris also describes how quiet it is and that standing on Benaroon Drive you could hear a pin drop.

If the abductor came from outside the estate they have been incredibly lucky not to have been seen or heard.

 

[stormbird]

Something I keep coming back to is how quiet the area has been described and whether a car would have been able to enter the street, turn, stop to take William, take off and exit, all without being heard.

William's foster mother said sound carries "unbelievably" well in the little village of Kendall and "you can hear everything”

"I couldn't hear a thing. It was silent. There was no wind. There were no birds," the foster carer said on Tuesday at a Sydney coronial inquest into William's disappearance and suspected death.

High-pitched scream minutes after William vanished

Around the time William disappeared it was still, perfect for outside sounds to be heard IMO

In the first episode of the Where’s William podcast Lia Harris also describes how quiet it is and that standing on Benaroon Drive you could hear a pin drop.

If the abductor came from outside the estate they have been incredibly lucky not to have been seen or heard.

On the other hand, despite the quietness, it seems likely (to me, anyway) that FFC and William's sister weren't aware of the green-grey car before it drove right past them, even though they probably would have been able to hear it approaching for some time before it even turned the corner and drove up past the driveway they were on.

Maybe it's attentiveness that matters more than quietness. The residents might be able to hear a pin drop, but first they have to want to

 

[Warshawski]

Yes that’s fair, in comparison to BS cool demeanour . What’s more telling , the aggressive response of AJ and PS or the cool cucumber BS

Interesting question TBL .. wish I had the recognised skills to evaluate.
More importantly tho, I believe this will have been duely investigated & evaluated by Jubes team. IMO, he's not one to let anything slip - God Bless Him
(In this day, when so many employees think the world owes them a liveing, as opposed to the reality - and in respect of managing those of that ilk ... OMG ... )

 

[Warshawski]

I think that the witness list has probably been given to relevant parties, as well as the brief of evidence. (July 1st is this coming Monday.)

That is likely how the media found out that Jubes has been called to attend.

I wonder how likely it is that other interested persons/POIs/suspects that we have spoken of are on the list? Seems that MSM may have published that info as well, if other potential interested persons that we know about are on the witness list.


Craddock also tendered some new exhibits ahead of the resumption of the inquest in August, telling the court the full brief of evidence would be served by July 1st, along with the list of witnesses to be called.
William Tyrrell: 'Someone Out There Knows More'

July 1 - just around the corner now SA. Just hoping it brings answers & justice for a little boy who was far too innocent to be deserved of all this horrible stuff .

The sad reality is that there Is Someone who knows something - who could provide answers- yet they're so devoid of anything resembling Humanity that they continue to remain silent, even after all these years . It's totally beyond My comprehension and it's what seperates my judgement re perpretators / penalties.

In this instance - death sentence for sure IMO . Plenty of time & opportunities given to make good & make penance. .. true life must

I believe that Justice will be Served. .. days or years to come ... just when they least expect it. .. but IMO it will happen .

I think that the witness list has probably been given to relevant parties, as well as the brief of evidence. (July 1st is this coming Monday.)

That is likely how the media found out that Jubes has been called to attend.

I wonder how likely it is that other interested persons/POIs/suspects that we have spoken of are on the list? Seems that MSM may have published that info as well, if other potential interested persons that we know about are on the witness list.


Craddock also tendered some new exhibits ahead of the resumption of the inquest in August, telling the court the full brief of evidence would be served by July 1st, along with the list of witnesses to be called.
William Tyrrell: 'Someone Out There Knows More'

Yes, IMO bring on Monday (July 1) - it'll be an interesting read, and I hope provides answers.

I believe above all else, that Children Must be Safe in our society. Crimes against them Must be punished with full Force IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

July 1 - just around the corner now SA. Just hoping it brings answers & justice for a little boy who was far too innocent to be deserved of all this horrible stuff .

The sad reality is that there Is Someone who knows something - who could provide answers- yet they're so devoid of anything resembling Humanity that they continue to remain silent, even after all these years . It's totally beyond My comprehension and it's what seperates my judgement re perpretators / penalties.

In this instance - death sentence for sure IMO . Plenty of time & opportunities given to make good & make penance. .. true life must

I believe that Justice will be Served. .. days or years to come ... just when they least expect it. .. but IMO it will happen .


Yes, IMO bring on Monday (July 1) - it'll be an interesting read, and I hope provides answers.

I believe above all else, that Children Must be Safe in our society. Crimes against them Must be punished with full Force IMO

If justice does not get the perp, Warsh, karma will. There is no dodging the consequences (eventual or not) when a person harms a child.

I have a strong feeling that karma will also visit anyone else who knows of this crime and has not done anything to assist the police.

I just hope that William can be found, for the sake of all of his parents.

 

[kiwi50]

Roll on August, I feel this is the last chance for answers. If we dont get them I think its all over, and the case will haunt many of us forever.
My gut instinct still points to BS rather than PS, unless there was an accident.

 

[stormbird]

Re the profile of DCI Jubes, which I think is relevant to this thread because he was a lead investigator:
- Before William went missing, DCI Jubelin talked about the Bowraville murder cases (1990-91) at a parliamentary inquiry in May 2014, at which he said:
--- "The families have been let down by the justice system."
--- "It's very nice for society to say that all victims are treated equally. Unfortunately in this situation I do not think that is entirely correct."
--- "I'm not a do-gooder or a bleeding heart. However, race and to a lesser degree socio-economic factors have impacted on the manner in which these matters have been investigated."
--- He believed the police are being prevented from convicting the person responsible for the Bowaville murders. He blamed the courts, lawyers, IMO presumably some police, the NSW state government, and said "People do not care."
- He has one tattoo visible on his right bicep: a Sanskrit "Om". There's another one on his "left flank" (is it visible when he punches?): "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

"Gary Jubelin: fighter for justice", 29 June 2019

I was able to read the article, but only after giving up in despair, clearing history and cookies, closing the browser while plugged into the power (because it's on an iPad and thus an Apple device which I think won't register information until plugged in?), then finding hope, opening the browser, copying then pasting the URL into a Google search box (to search for the URL; I don't mean that I put it in the address bar) then from the list of results I clicked on the link showing the article name with a bit of introductory text underneath it.

 

[SouthAussie]

On the other hand, despite the quietness, it seems likely (to me, anyway) that FFC and William's sister weren't aware of the green-grey car before it drove right past them, even though they probably would have been able to hear it approaching for some time before it even turned the corner and drove up past the driveway they were on.

Maybe it's attentiveness that matters more than quietness. The residents might be able to hear a pin drop, but first they have to want to

Yes, I think if the neighbourhood noise is a 'normal' noise that it often does not register with people.

A person's brain gets accustomed to normal-for-your-area noises. People can sleep with trains rumbling by the back of their house, or planes flying overhead, once their brain becomes accustomed to the noise.

People also cannot remember if they heard a neighbour's car drive in next door, or not, on any specific day. Their brain is so accustomed to hearing that noise that it does not even register, even though they can hear it.

Hearing a normal sounding (not a hoon vehicle/driver) vehicle on your street during the daytime may not register one little bit. It is not late at night, it is not a loud vehicle, it is not speeding or backfiring, it is usual for a few cars to go up/down the street at that time of day ... you don't even bother to look out of your window, and the sound may not have even registered with your brain.

 

[SouthAussie]

Re the profile of DCI Jubes, which I think is relevant to this thread because he was a lead investigator:
- Before William went missing, DCI Jubelin talked about the Bowraville murder cases (1990-91) at a parliamentary inquiry in May 2014, at which he said:
--- "The families have been let down by the justice system."
--- "It's very nice for society to say that all victims are treated equally. Unfortunately in this situation I do not think that is entirely correct."
--- "I'm not a do-gooder or a bleeding heart. However, race and to a lesser degree socio-economic factors have impacted on the manner in which these matters have been investigated."
--- He believed the police are being prevented from convicting the person responsible for the Bowaville murders. He blamed the courts, lawyers, IMO presumably some police, the NSW state government, and said "People do not care."
- He has one tattoo visible on his right bicep: a Sanskrit "Om". There's another one on his "left flank" (is it visible when he punches?): "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees."

"Gary Jubelin: fighter for justice", 29 June 2019

I was able to read the article, but only after giving up in despair, clearing history and cookies, closing the browser while plugged into the power (because it's on an iPad and thus an Apple device which I think won't register information until plugged in?), then finding hope, opening the browser, copying then pasting the URL into a Google search box (to search for the URL; I don't mean that I put it in the address bar) then from the list of results I clicked on the link showing the article name with a bit of introductory text underneath it.

Clearing cookies each day, then typing a sentence from the title/article into the web browser, then clicking on the article that shows up, frequently works for me.

Which is why many of us try to put the title of the article into our post ... it is useful to search and click on, when your cookies are cleared regularly.

The Australian allows one 'sample' article each day, this way.
Some publications allow one 'sample' article each month, in the same way.

I think that the 'better' publications allow this sampling, so that readers can see the quality of their articles and sign up if they want to.

 

[kiwi50]

Wow I can see why I relate to Jubelin, thats my crede too,
“Better to die on your feet than live on your knees”
May get you into trouble sometimes, but better than dying wondering.

 

[Green beans]

Random question, could someone possibly name the caravan park in Campbelltown that historic events / allegations were made against bs?

 

[Ms Cadfael]

Random question, could someone possibly name the caravan park in Campbelltown that historic events / allegations were made against bs?

I don't think it was a caravan park? Just a van in a backyard, I think?

I grew up in Campbelltown too..can't remember there being one there. Only out back of there, like Denham Court and Camden.

 

[Green beans]

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I don't think it was a caravan park? Just a van in a backyard, I think?

I grew up in Campbelltown too..can't remember there being one there. Only out back of there, like Denham Court and Camden.

Thank you, I can’t stomach the details in articles relating to this, so I’m not game to search to find what I’m looking for. I’m hoping to know dates / month / year (was it 1987?)

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you, I can’t stomach the details in articles relating to this, so I’m not game to search to find what I’m looking for. I’m hoping to know dates / month / year (was it 1987?)

You don't need to read the article, Green beans. It is sickening. But here is the info. Presumably the weekend that fell at the end of April and beginning of May 1987.


"Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987."
"Police allege the abuse was carried out during a weekend when Spedding was staying in a caravan near Campbelltown in 1987. "
Category: | Herald Sun

 

[Green beans]

You don't need to read the article, Green beans. It is sickening. But here is the info. Presumably the weekend that fell at the end of April and beginning of May 1987.


"Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987."
"Police allege the abuse was carried out during a weekend when Spedding was staying in a caravan near Campbelltown in 1987. "
Category: | Herald Sun

Thank you SA i truly appreciate it