Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[RubyHill]

Episode two of the ground-breaking podcast investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.
William Tyrrell’s foster parents have spoken for the first time about becoming his carers and their plans for his future in a new podcast episode, released on Monday.

Episode two of Where’s William Tyrrell? -- which hit number one in Australia upon its release last week -- details William’s complicated backstory and the journey that led him to Kendall, where he disappeared on September 12, 2014.

Where's William Tyrrell? EP 2: Missing Toddler's Foster Parents Speak Out

 

[SouthAussie]

Episode two of the ground-breaking podcast investigation into the disappearance of William Tyrrell.
William Tyrrell’s foster parents have spoken for the first time about becoming his carers and their plans for his future in a new podcast episode, released on Monday.

Episode two of Where’s William Tyrrell? -- which hit number one in Australia upon its release last week -- details William’s complicated backstory and the journey that led him to Kendall, where he disappeared on September 12, 2014.

Where's William Tyrrell? EP 2: Missing Toddler's Foster Parents Speak Out

Thanks very much, Ruby. Such a gorgeous little laugh in the preview.

Here's the link to the podcast on Acast. Other links provided at the bottom of the article that Ruby has linked.

Two Families

Lead in (in part) says "we'll also investigate the critical movements of his foster and biological parents in the days leading up to William's disappearance and why they became prime suspects".

 

[RubyHill]

I cant listen to it so will be looking forwarding to everyones take on it.

 

[SouthAussie]

I cant listen to it so will be looking forwarding to everyones take on it.

Only 3 minutes into the podcast and already Lea has said she is not going to go into the details of why William and his sister were removed, out of respect for his parents.
Also that they contacted the BP prior to releasing the podcast, but they haven't heard back from them.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just a few snippets ... by no means a spoiler on the whole episode.


The bond between William and his sister is very tight.

Also the bond between William and his foster father ... very special.
FP are most gracious. Stressing that they do not say this to detract from the BP in any way, because that bond is also special.

William's sister was placed into a long term care order when she arrived at the FP home. Initially, in the first few months, William was in a short term care order with the FP.

William's long term care order was established when the BP went to court to ask for both of the children back. The court result was the opposite of what they had hoped.

No indications of animosity between the BP and the FP, according to all workers who attended the supervised visits or had contact with either set of parents.
Quote from William's case worker, at the inquest ... "the BP had accepted that there was a good standard of care by the FP".

The FP have always been adamant that contact with the BP was important for both children. The FP value that relationship, they don't want to diminish the relationship or replace the BP. There is an incredible bond across everyone, and that always seemed right.

William's last visit with his BM was about 3 weeks prior to his disappearance. William's bio brother was there, as well as William's sister. BM heavily pregnant with 4th child at the time. The visit was an hour longer than usual.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just going to add here that William's BP were informed of his disappearance within hours of it happening. The police came and visited, informed both bio parents, searched the house. BM was tearful, BD couldn't believe it.
The BD then saw it on TV and the reality sunk in.
Three Salvo workers then came to the house, reconfirmed the disappearance and supported the BP.

Fortunately, there was telecomms communications between the BP on that day. No doubt that this confirmed to the police (later) that they both were where they said they were when William disappeared.

Also BD communicated with his mother during this time. She later said that he told her that something didn't feel right. He said that likely he was speaking of his hurting shoulder, not William.

 

[papertrail]

Police arrived at bio parents approx 4pm. Searched house and found a child in backyard that had initially considered was William. It turned out this child was the 3rd child of the bio parents.

William's sister had previously been placed with other foster carers. She had been placed into care when (edited) 'she' was 3 months old. She was born in 2010.

William's sister's foster status was long term. William initially short term. Bio parents applied to Family Court for custody of both of their children. The Court made a decision William's status would change from short term to long term.

Long term to age 18 for both children.

foster parents previously acted as carer's on short term basis. However preferred long term status.

What strikes me is FFCarer always talks of closeness of William and MFC. She never talks of her personal relationship with William.

Bio mother stated in her police statement William's sister always looked out for William.

Terribly saddened for her given William was out of her sight when William disappeared.

 

[papertrail]

Perhaps with next podcast we will hear of steps that were taken be police to clear foster carers given today's podcast gave details of bio parents actions on 11th and 12 September and cleared.

 

[JLZ]

Police arrived at bio parents approx 4pm. Searched house and found a child in backyard that had initially considered was William. It turned out this child was the 3rd child of the bio parents.

William's sister had previously been placed with other foster carers. She had been placed into care when (edited) 'she' was 3 months old. She was born in 2010.

William's sister's foster status was long term. William initially short term. Bio parents applied to Family Court for custody of both of their children. The Court made a decision William's status would change from short term to long term.

Long term to age 18 for both children.

foster parents previously acted as carer's on short term basis. However preferred long term status.

What strikes me is FFCarer always talks of closeness of William and MFC. She never talks of her personal relationship with William.

Bio mother stated in her police statement William's sister always looked out for William.

Terribly saddened for her given William was out of her sight when William disappeared.

BBM--I haven't listened to the latest podcast yet, but that had struck me too. It's not as if FFC wasn't close to William herself. I wondered if MFC has a non-neurotypical condition like ADHD which William also showed signs of having, notwithstanding that he was probably too young for a diagnosis, and that formed a basis for a special relationship--they understood instinctively how the other functioned.

 

[papertrail]

BBM--I haven't listened to the latest podcast yet, but that had struck me too. It's not as if FFC wasn't close to William herself. I wondered if MFC has a non-neurotypical condition like ADHD which William also showed signs of having, notwithstanding that he was probably too young for a diagnosis, and that formed a basis for a special relationship--they understood instinctively how the other functioned.

It's not just in the podcast I have noticed this but every time FFC speaks about William. She is always emphasising the closeness between MFC and William and not saying anything at all about her relationship with William.

<modsnip: sleuthing / discussing minors not allowed>

 

[frogwell]

It's apparent to me from what is being published between tranches of the coronial inquest, that there are PR campaigns going on for different players in this case, left, right and centre. The politics and game playing surrounding this particular missing child is extremely sickening to witness. I can only imagine what family court is like. IMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

It's not just in the podcast I have noticed this but every time FFC speaks about William. She is always emphasising the closeness between MFC and William and not saying anything at all about her relationship with William.

<modsnip: sleuthing / discussing minors not allowed>

Do you have links to support this statement, please?

 

[JLZ]

It's not just in the podcast I have noticed this but every time FFC speaks about William. She is always emphasising the closeness between MFC and William and not saying anything at all about her relationship with William.

You don't happen to recall when William's sister entered into FFC/MFC carers' care do you? Whether it was before or after William.

BBM. A week after, but I don't know whether that means a week after William was supposed to be delivered to the FCs (but wasn't because he was taken into hiding) or a week after he actually went to them.

 

[Bohemian]

It's apparent to me from what is being published between tranches of the coronial inquest, that there are PR campaigns going on for different players in this case, left, right and centre. The politics and game playing surrounding this particular missing child is extremely sickening to witness. I can only imagine what family court is like. IMO

The different PR campaigns are not apparent to me, froggy. Could you explain a bit more about what you mean please? Lia Harris said that William’s BF were contacted to be a part of the podcast but did not reply.

 

[SouthAussie]

I can only imagine what family court is like. IMO

RSBM

I don't think that both families are ever in family court together. Is that what you mean about family court?

BM said that she had only seen FM once, and that was at a drop off for BM's visitation when FM was still speaking with the supervising person when BM arrived.

BM also said she would have no idea what FD looked like, had never seen him.

Of course, this was all prior to the inquest when I imagine they must have seen each other.

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM--I haven't listened to the latest podcast yet, but that had struck me too. It's not as if FFC wasn't close to William herself. I wondered if MFC has a non-neurotypical condition like ADHD which William also showed signs of having, notwithstanding that he was probably too young for a diagnosis, and that formed a basis for a special relationship--they understood instinctively how the other functioned.

I think that once you listen to the podcast, you may see it seems very similar to step parent relationships with children. The BP seemed to be becoming the 'step parents'.

William's sister appeared to be trying to work out the dynamics .. she told the BM that she wasn't her mother she was her biological mother - evidently, to me, someone had tried to explain the dynamics to her, perhaps as a result of her questions.
She didn't have much to do with BM on the last visitation before William disappeared, mostly ran around and played.
William's sister had not seen her BF for two years prior to placement with the FP, when she was with other foster carers.
She has had a confusing young life, I think.

I got the impression that FD and William bonded more quickly because they played together quite a bit.

These two children were removed at very young ages. In their baby stages really. IIRC, BD said he did not live with BM most of the time, once William was conceived - he said he was trying to do what FACS had ordered. William may have enjoyed having the male company of FD. Little boys often want to be 'just like dad' ... pretend to mow the lawn, fix things with play tools, etc, in my experience.

 

[Thebottomline]

It's not just in the podcast I have noticed this but every time FFC speaks about William. She is always emphasising the closeness between MFC and William and not saying anything at all about her relationship with William.

<modsnip: sleuthing / discussing minors not allowed>

Maybe she was just sick of all the negative rubbish she was reading about ff having something to do with Williams disappearence so was trying to get it out there how close they were.also maybe she wasn’t discussing her closeness with William with respect for BM. I don’t think she needed to anyway . Her love for him is evident in her voice . No need to throw shade on her .

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe she was just sick of all the negative rubbish she was reading about ff having something to do with Williams disappearence so was trying to get it out there how close they were.also maybe she wasn’t discussing her closeness with William with respect for BM. I don’t think she needed to anyway . Her love for him is evident in her voice . No need to throw shade on her .

It was a very balanced episode of the podcast, I think. The FP were very gracious about all aspects of William's life. As was Lia Harris.
And you are correct, imo, FM loves her children very much. AND took good care of both of them. The BP had come to that adjustment, as per William's case worker.

 

[Thebottomline]

Police arrived at bio parents approx 4pm. Searched house and found a child in backyard that had initially considered was William. It turned out this child was the 3rd child of the bio parents.

William's sister had previously been placed with other foster carers. She had been placed into care when (edited) 'she' was 3 months old. She was born in 2010.

William's sister's foster status was long term. William initially short term. Bio parents applied to Family Court for custody of both of their children. The Court made a decision William's status would change from short term to long term.

Long term to age 18 for both children.

foster parents previously acted as carer's on short term basis. However preferred long term status.

What strikes me is FFCarer always talks of closeness of William and MFC. She never talks of her personal relationship with William.

Bio mother stated in her police statement William's sister always looked out for William.

Terribly saddened for her given William was out of her sight when William disappeared.

Found child in backyard. So easy to have your child out of sight for just a few moments even answering a knock on the door.

 

[Thebottomline]

It was a very balanced episode of the podcast, I think. The FP were very gracious about all aspects of William's life. As was Lia Harris.
And you are correct, imo, FM loves her children very much. AND took good care of both of them. The BP had come to that adjustment, as per William's case worker.

Yep just nitpicking by some.