Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #46

[they'll get you]

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If we look at this case in parallel to the Daniel Morcombe case, as this podcast does, it seems that in the case of a lone wolf crime, with no found forensics, the police really need a confession from their primary POI.

The police, apparently, receive confessions from people who are begging for attention. But they need a real confession from the real lone wolf POI, and go to great lengths to obtain that confession.

Following on in the Daniel morcombe abduction the cops interviewed Cowan very early who said he was at someone’s house with a mulcher but the cops didn’t follow up that alibi, if the had they could’ve had him years before because it was a lie.

This could’ve happened with William as unfortunately there could always be a lazy cop in the mix.

 

[mussopossum]

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell podcast: foster parents requested tracking device search


William Tyrrell’s foster parents asked detectives to check their car for tracking devices, concerned that somebody had followed them from Sydney to the sleepy village of Kendall with the aim of kidnapping the boy.

A transcript of a police interview, obtained by The Australian for its new podcast series, Nowhere Child, shows police testing the theory that William’s disappearance was the result of a targeted abduction, not a random kidnap.

 

[interested64]

I was re-reading this article recently:
Bones, speargun found in Tyrrell search

And a couple of things caught my attention ( aside from the pic of Jubes)

It makes a point to say being called as a witnesses doesn't make anyone a suspect.
it also mention on 2 accounts that 'inmateS' will be called so I'm thinking along with FA is either someone who's blabbing in him, or someone ge's blabbing in - IMO.

I wouldnt believe a word fa says

 

[SLouTh]

How long has she been writing this book or when did she decided to write the book?

When did she start reporting on William as she has been, was it way before Lia Harris started the inquest twitter updates and podcast?


Caroline Overington - Wikipedia

Missing William Tyrrell

The first mention of a podcast to be released by CO was made on July 13..... and it says she had been researching up to a year before that.....

I am guessing that podcast is a prequel to the book???

I don’t know when Lia first announced her podcast ... will have to try and find....

 

[SouthAussie]

I wouldnt believe a word fa says

Would be good if they bugged his cell, like they were doing for John Chardon (Novy Chardon's alleged murdering husband - jury decision pending next week).

 

[SouthAussie]

Very worth listening to ... not so much for new info, but for non-sensationalised accurate reporting and opinion.
More than ½ of it is about William - with another similar case mentioned for a reason - and a little more about William at the very end of the podcast.

The vital clue

by Andrew Rule 24:56 long
When children go missing, police and the press scramble to get the word out. And sometimes crucial information slips through the cracks.

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[Ms Kite]

Very worth listening to ... not so much for new info, but for non-sensationalised accurate reporting and opinion.
More than ½ of it is about William - with another similar case mentioned for a reason - and a little more about William at the very end of the podcast.

The vital clue

by Andrew Rule 24:56 long
When children go missing, police and the press scramble to get the word out. And sometimes crucial information slips through the cracks.

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Thanks for posting this SA. It was refreshing to hear a piece of non sensationalist journalism. I am hoping that RC is a credible witness and that the current media focus on FA is part of that systematic investigation of sex offenders in the area. It was good to hear that he pointed out that 'POI' does not necessarily mean "suspect".

 

[Ms Kite]

I'm still thinking about the fawn/beige 4WD that RC claims to have seen with a boy in a Spiderman suit... I'm not a car expert by any means but the image that came to my mind after hearing his description was a 60 series Toyota Landcruiser ... possibly even 40 series. They commonly came in a matt fawn colour..

In the Claremont murders, investigators searched high and low for a vehicle of interest... I hope the same is happening in this case.

If it is a fawn coloured Landcruiser he saw, the pool of available vehicles would be relatively small these days surely?

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm still thinking about the fawn/beige 4WD that RC claims to have seen with a boy in a Spiderman suit... I'm not a car expert by any means but the image that came to my mind after hearing his description was a 60 series Toyota Landcruiser ... possibly even 40 series. They commonly came in a matt fawn colour..

In the Claremont murders, investigators searched high and low for a vehicle of interest... I hope the same is happening in this case.

If it is a fawn coloured Landcruiser he saw, the pool of available vehicles would be relatively small these days surely?

Both of these series look like they are 30+ years old. With most of the 40 series only coming in 2-door design. Presumably the vehicle was registered, so I think you may be right. The registered vehicles in this range of cars should be relatively small, I would think.

If it was an unregistered vehicle (perhaps still bearing license plates) the task could be pretty onerous. But likely still achievable ... eventually.

 

[SouthAussie]

Would a person use their own identifiable vehicle if they planned to abduct a child?
Or would they use a stolen vehicle?

If a person stole a child in an unplanned event, perhaps more likely they would use their own vehicle?

 

[Ms Kite]

Both of these series look like they are 30+ years old. With most of the 40 series only coming in 2-door design. Presumably the vehicle was registered, so I think you may be right. The registered vehicles in this range of cars should be relatively small, I would think.

If it was an unregistered vehicle (perhaps still bearing license plates) the task could be pretty onerous. But likely still achievable ... eventually.

RC said it was fawn/beige. I would interpret beige to be more of a metallic type paint. So if not a Landcruiser 60 series, my next haphazard guess would be one of the older boxy Prados. They're much more common...

It would be great to know from RC if the paint colour was metallic or just flat enamel...

 

[Ms Kite]

Would a person use their own identifiable vehicle if they planned to abduct a child?
Or would they use a stolen vehicle?

If a person stole a child in an unplanned event, perhaps more likely they would use their own vehicle?

If it was planned, perhaps they might think to borrow a vehicle from an obscure source. e.g. a friend of someone's uncle's work colleague (just an example) to make it harder to trace.

There would be plenty of old 4wds around that are just used as bushbashers or farm vehicles (and stored in sheds ). Guess they could have used stolen plates too?

 

[Ms Kite]

RC said it was fawn/beige. I would interpret beige to be more of a metallic type paint. So if not a Landcruiser 60 series, my next haphazard guess would be one of the older boxy Prados. They're much more common...


It would be great to know from RC if the paint colour was metallic or just flat enamel...

Sorry to keep on harping on about RC's observations but I'm now wondering how he knew the iridescent blue car was 6 cylinders?

If he knew cars well enough to know the difference between the sounds of a 4, 6 or 8 cylinder vehicle then why didn't he know what type of car it was?

The most common 6 cylinder cars in Aust are Commodores or falcons. Surely if it were one of those he would've been able to recognise the make/ model?

If he didn't recognise it but knew it was v6 from the sound, then perhaps it may have been less common performance vehicle?

Nissan skylines can come in iridescent blue and are 6 cylinder...

Subaru impreza WRX are only 4 cylinder but have a distinctive sound that could make them seem as though they're 6.

MOO

 

[Ms Kite]

Would a person use their own identifiable vehicle if they planned to abduct a child?
Or would they use a stolen vehicle?

If a person stole a child in an unplanned event, perhaps more likely they would use their own vehicle?

And perhaps they needed a 4WD to navigate a track such as the one outlined on the google map you posted SA in #88. Sorry, not sure how to repost it...

Suburb impreza WRX (coincidentally their signature colour is iridescent blue) are used as rally cars and could also navigate a dirt track. Not sure how rough that forest road is though?

 

[Loxoli]

Would a person use their own identifiable vehicle if they planned to abduct a child?
Or would they use a stolen vehicle?

If a person stole a child in an unplanned event, perhaps more likely they would use their own vehicle?

If it was planned, perhaps they might think to borrow a vehicle from an obscure source. e.g. a friend of someone's uncle's work colleague (just an example) to make it harder to trace.

There would be plenty of old 4wds around that are just used as bushbashers or farm vehicles (and stored in sheds ). Guess they could have used stolen plates too?

'I recognised the boy': neighbour saw William being driven away, inquest told

"I often sit out on the front verandah during the summer months and I haven't seen either vehicle since," he said.

I just came across this quote from Ronald Chapman that might be relevant. IMO, the vehicles where distinct enough that RC thought he could recognise them if they came past again and possibly not local.

 

[Ms Kite]

'I recognised the boy': neighbour saw William being driven away, inquest told

"I often sit out on the front verandah during the summer months and I haven't seen either vehicle since," he said.

I just came across this quote from Ronald Chapman that might be relevant. IMO, the vehicles where distinct enough that RC thought he could recognise them if they came past again and possibly not local.

Thank you Loxoli. I wonder if more is known about the makes/ models of these vehicles than has been publicly released? RC seemed to be able to recall a lot of detail of what he puportedly saw that morning. The descriptions of the cars are frustratingly vague though.

 

[Warshawski]

William Tyrrell’s doomed life

Just a refresher

 

[Loxoli]

Thank you Loxoli. I wonder if more is known about the makes/ models of these vehicles than has been publicly released? RC seemed to be able to recall a lot of detail of what he puportedly saw that morning. The descriptions of the cars are frustratingly vague though.

I think it’s very possible that he knows more than what’s been publicly released. The police seem to have kept private many details of this case and I can’t work out why. It would make sense to release an artist’s impression of the vehicles. I feel like RC would be capable of providing an accurate description to make this possible. I’m sure the police have their reasons, but the handling of this case is baffling.

 

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Thank you Loxoli. I wonder if more is known about the makes/ models of these vehicles than has been publicly released? RC seemed to be able to recall a lot of detail of what he puportedly saw that morning. The descriptions of the cars are frustratingly vague though.

An iridescent blue six-cylinder car isn't so much vague, I think?
Already before we heard from Chapman, we heard of a blue/green shimmering car in/around Kendall, I have in mind. Is that right?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-r...driven-away-inquest-told-20190828-p52lj5.html

 

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Overington has written 12 books, including nine works of fiction. Her most recent title, The Ones You Trust, published by HarperCollins in August 2018, is a thriller novel about a child's disappearance.

The Ones You Trust
.... would be no strangers, I think.

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