Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #46

[Warshawski]

My gut tells me that William had a similar fate to that of poor Daniel Morcombe and probably didn't live past the first 24 hrs.

As much as I so hope for a different scenario Seabreeze, it's quite possible that another little boy's life was destined to be short for the good that may bequest him.

Daniel's legacy is enormous. Our kids learn in school time about 'being safe' - due to Daniel. As much as its a dreadful & awefully painful situation, Good has Prevailed. .. and that Monster being punished - inside as well.

 

[Warshawski]

Quite honestly I am tired of the justice or lack of justice system in Australia.

Children and animals.
The crimes and cruelty against animals and I am talking about the torture and cruelty to poor animals and the person generally gets a pissy little fine and no jail.

Interfering with a child, no amount jail time can make up for the pain inflicted.

Some think that a child will forget it. They will block it and go on in life. Maybe some do.

It is life-changing and sometimes fatal as an adult after a child has been sexually abused.

It changes a life forever.

IMO child predators and animal abusers, the filth needs to be thrown in a big hole and filled in with concrete, never to resurface.

I'm with you re the justice system here in Aus. Surely we stand for so much more !

Lobby Canberra Poss, and I'll happily join you - billboard & all

 

[SouthAussie]

Was the female postie still delivering mail to Benaroon in September 2014?

It is very possible. She was still delivering the mail there in Feb 2014. Was she the only postie in that small town? Seems that she was kind of required/committed to keep delivering on Benaroon Drive and just ignore the house where she felt danger.

I wonder how long it took her to move and get her job at another post office.

I also wonder about the ramifications of all this on Savage. How angry it made him. If he internalised that anger.
Violence toward another person, even a small boy, usually stems from anger.


Despite the order, Savage then approached her while she delivered mail to a neighbour’s address in February 2014. She called police, who arrested and charged Savage with breaching the order.
The woman has since left her job at the Kendall Post Office and moved to another town.
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

 

[deugirtni]

He has an interest in and knowledge of cars. He saw a few, mostly the day before William vanished. That could be very useful if those cars turn out to be relevant. The Land Rover, for example, which he mistook for the foster family's. (Why? Did he know FF were coming for the weekend?)

I don't think PS mistook the Land Rover for the FPs' vehicle. I think it is our assumption that that is whose vehicle he must have thought he'd seen? It was said that the FPs Land Rover was fairly new, and somewhere it was mentioned that FD had been showing their 'new vehicle' to FGM - I don't think even FGM had seen it before that visit. Not sure what the FPs drove prior to that vehicle purchase? PS had seen two vehicles on the day before WT disappeared.

From LH's tweets at the Inquest on August 20/19:

Lia Harris @LiaJHarris·11h
The court heard Savage noticed a car he didn’t recognise parked at William’s foster grandmother’s house. It was a Land Rover Freelander. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris @LiaJHarris·11h
Savage is asked what car he drove at the time. He told the court he had a Mitsubishi Pajero and it was capable of driving up the fire trail into the bush on Benaroon Drive. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris @LiaJHarris·11h
He told the court he noticed because he was “interested in cars” passing through. He said he was familiar with the cars “coming and going regularly” and didn’t associate this car with any local. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Lia Harris @LiaJHarris·11h
The court heard Savage told police he saw a red Nissan patrol wagon driving up Benaroon Drive and into the bush the day before William went missing. He told the court the car wasn’t familiar to him. @10NewsFirst @10Daily
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On the day before William vanished, Mr Savage had seen a car he had not seen before or since “roar” up the street towards the fire trail.

He described it in a statement to police soon afterwards as a “dull red-coloured Nissan Patrol wagon, a 90s model with a square type build”.

In the late afternoon of that day, Mr Savage also saw a vehicle he believed to be a Land Rover Freelander visit the home of William’s foster grandmother.

Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest

Mr Craddock questioned Mr Savage about his observations in relation to vehicles he saw on the day prior to William's disappearance.

"In your statement on the 25th of September you made an observation about a car," Mr Craddock said.

"The statement read "on Thursday the 11th of September 2014 I was at home for the day. At 11am I was in my house and heard a car engine that wasn't familiar to me as a car from the street. It had a roar and started like it was revving."

Mr Craddock asked Mr Savage if he could confirm the information in his statement that he saw a dull red coloured Nissan patrol wagon entering the fire trail at the end of Benaroon Drive. Mr Savage confirmed it was.

Mr Craddock also questioned Mr Savage about another car he had seen in the driveway of William's foster grandmother's house on September 11.

"Was that a car you'd seen before?," Mr Craddock asked.

"No, not that I remember," Mr Savage said in response.

Neighbour asked what he saw on day William Tyrrell vanished

 

[they'll get you]

On the 5th anniversary a direct hotline to the coroner’s office has been created in hope someone will make that phone call with information on William.

Sunrise channel 7.

 

[mussopossum]

NoCookies | The Australian

William Tyrrell hotline direct to coroner

Police investigating the disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrrell are so convinced that “someone knows something” they have taken the unusual step of releasing a phone number for the solicitors working directly for the NSW Coroner, so that information can be passed directly to the court.

In a statement to coincide with the fifth anniversary of William’s disappearance on Thursday, police said they had “information that suggests someone in the community” had information about William’s disappearance, and urged them to come forward.

The NSW police in its statement said investigators from the homicide squad’s Strike Force Rosann are continuing to conduct inquiries.

“The investigation remains open, and a team of investigators is continuing to explore lines of inquiry and persons of interest during the Coronial process, in an effort to find out what happened to William,” the statement said.

“While the inquest is continuing, police are actively engaged with the Coroner to ensure answers are provided to William’s loved ones.”

 

[they'll get you]

I doubt the perpetrator has ever told anyone and I doubt he ever will, especially the police. Why would he when he will get life in prison.
Who knows, he might be a married family man with children and grandchildren.
This will be a secret he’ll keep to himself forever.
Because he can.

 

[mussopossum]

Specialk72 said: ↑
do you think the new aged photo means they think he's still alive?

I was wondering about that too? Usually abducted children don't survive, especially abducted children of a very young age. The only cases i have heard of where that happens is if it's a parental abduction and either parent has taken off with the kids in custody issues/disputes.

That's a good point.

I have been led to feel that with the inquest and latest searches that they believe he is gone and the wording "suspected death of".

Are there any other long term missing children that we know that the age progression is done (Other than Maddie McCann of course) SouthAussie? any come to mind with you?

 

[mussopossum]

I know what you mean, p&g. FM and FD did a great thing by providing William with the love and nurturing that they provided - when it was most needed, and continuing - while keeping up his Story Book so that he could always know his full history. Their grief must be excruciating, as they try to stay balanced and provide William's sister with a stable childhood. Even more strength required of them to do that.

All of the parents of this little missing boy have been through so much. The foster parents not least of all.

I can't even imagine what his little sister has gone through.

Even though she was quite young at the time, I do hope that she grows up with some lovely memories of William of what short time that they did share together.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

NoCookies | The Australian

William Tyrrell hotline direct to coroner

Police investigating the disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrrell are so convinced that “someone knows something” they have taken the unusual step of releasing a phone number for the solicitors working directly for the NSW Coroner, so that information can be passed directly to the court.

In a statement to coincide with the fifth anniversary of William’s disappearance on Thursday, police said they had “information that suggests someone in the community” had information about William’s disappearance, and urged them to come forward.

The NSW police in its statement said investigators from the homicide squad’s Strike Force Rosann are continuing to conduct inquiries.

“The investigation remains open, and a team of investigators is continuing to explore lines of inquiry and persons of interest during the Coronial process, in an effort to find out what happened to William,” the statement said.

“While the inquest is continuing, police are actively engaged with the Coroner to ensure answers are provided to William’s loved ones.”

Great idea, being able to call the lawyers of the coroner directly! MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

On the 5th anniversary a direct hotline to the coroner’s office has been created in hope someone will make that phone call with information on William.

Sunrise channel 7.

Well, they couldn't be doing much more, could they? To get that person who knows something to speak.
A huge reward, dozens of public appeals, and now a confidential direct line to the solicitors office to help protect them and gather the info for the coroner.

We have always wondered how they know that someone (else) knows something. Was it a Crime Stoppers tip that said something that was spot on, but that anonymous tipster has never been contactable or called back?


call solicitors assisting the Coroner on 02 8346 1388

 

[Violet77]

Five years

 

[SouthAussie]

Can anyone find the actual police statement? It sure isn't easy to find. If they want someone to call the coroner's solicitor's office they need to make their statement really prominent. Even Google hasn't picked it up.


From The Australian article:
The NSW police in its statement said investigators from the homicide squad’s Strike Force Rosann are continuing to conduct inquiries.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm wondering if the lawyers were made accessible so that anyone that might perhaps 'know something' would be able to get answers regarding their own potential culpability, before they make that call (to police in hopes of reward monies?). ie I think it had been said years ago that certain things would be overlooked (perhaps not contacting police sooner? perhaps even secondary involvement, ie I don't know if you have this charge over there, but something like 'accessory after the fact'?), while other things (personal involvement with the crime itself) would not be overlooked.. perhaps someone who might be interested in receiving some of the reward monies 'knows something', but is afraid they will face charges themselves if they call, and perhaps speaking anonymously to the lawyers who could answer questions in that regard and perhaps act as an intermediary between the caller and the police/prosecutors, would encourage them to go ahead and make the call?

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm wondering if the lawyers were made accessible so that anyone that might perhaps 'know something' would be able to get answers regarding their own potential culpability, before they make that call (to police in hopes of reward monies?). ie I think it had been said years ago that certain things would be overlooked (perhaps not contacting police sooner? perhaps even secondary involvement, ie I don't know if you have this charge over there, but something like 'accessory after the fact'?), while other things (personal involvement with the crime itself) would not be overlooked.. perhaps someone who might be interested in receiving some of the reward monies 'knows something', but is afraid they will face charges themselves if they call, and perhaps speaking anonymously to the lawyers who could answer questions in that regard and perhaps act as an intermediary between the caller and the police/prosecutors, would encourage them to go ahead and make the call?

Yes, that is exactly what I think, too. The coroner's solicitors can offer them a good degree of legal protection.

Also, a call to the solicitor's would be absolutely confidential - due to the 'oath' a solicitor works under ... the legal professional privilege.

 

[deugirtni]

 

[deugirtni]

I also wonder if the same anonymity is offered with this new phone number, as is offered via Crimestoppers? Potentially, could this be a police strategy to latch onto a caller because there is no guarantee of anonymity while speaking to these lawyers?

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, that is exactly what I think, too. The coroner's solicitors can offer them a good degree of legal protection.

Yes, it actually sounds like a brilliant move. Even if someone can't be totally protected, they would have access to legal advice (presumably?) to help start them in the process? It's got to be tough if anyone might be living with knowledge or some kind of involvement (for whatever reason) in this, to keep up the silence without it destroying them inside.

ETA: Just adding that imho, they have no hope whatsoever of the actual perp calling the number; their only hope is that someone else knows and is having difficulty with their knowledge.

 

[they'll get you]

Well, they couldn't be doing much more, could they? To get that person who knows something to speak.
A huge reward, dozens of public appeals, and now a confidential direct line to the solicitors office to help protect them and gather the info for the coroner.

We have always wondered how they know that someone (else) knows something. Was it a Crime Stoppers tip that said something that was spot on, but that anonymous tipster has never been contactable or called back?

If I may refer again to Paul Onions who escaped Ivan Millat and was taken to the local ‘hick’ cop shop by the woman who witnessed the incident.

The cops had a living victim and a witness and
although there was multiple murders in Balangalo those ‘hick’ cops still didn’t put two & two together because the incident was archived and forgotten. It wasn’t until Paul Onions himself all the way from England, managed to bypass Crimestoppers and get onto the detectives handling the case in Sydney.

Was it laziness by a rooky front desk cop or did they just forget about this crazy pommy backpacker.

Hundreds could’ve called about someone acting strangely on or around the time William went missing and that ONE important call might have been dismissed like Paul Onions was for years.
As Jubes said there’s someone out there who knows something but is that someone confident enough to press on like Paul was.

I love your posts SA.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, it actually sounds like a brilliant move. Even if someone can't be totally protected, they would have access to legal advice (presumably?) to help start them in the process? It's got to be tough if anyone might be living with knowledge or some kind of involvement (for whatever reason) in this, to keep up the silence without it destroying them inside.

ETA: Just adding that imho, they have no hope whatsoever of the actual perp calling the number; their only hope is that someone else knows and is having difficulty with their knowledge.

Witness protection springs to mind. As well as anonymity from the public and media, a new name, confidentiality, legal protection, a huge reward - if invested with wise advice would give enough funds to live on for the rest of their lives - as well as a clear conscience.

These coronial teams may seem like legal eagles, but they are really very smart cookies.