Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[Warshawski]

Lols. Imagine they break him and he finally admits.... to be keeping warm with Lyn and he NFI what was going on.

 

[deugirtni]

Just to add to this post ... I never have felt comfortable about nocturnal man, though. The police searched his home 3 times in the first 24 hours. I believe that FGM proclaimed her thought that it could be him after that, because she was assured that he had been checked out thoroughly.

Also, in an article linked recently it says that they were 'unable' to name him. And I wondered why they were unable to do so. Because he was a sex offender? Or other reasons?
If he was a protected (grrr ...) sex offender, it could be why police searched his home 3 times in the first 24 hours.

Also, when we saw pics of the inside of his home, when it went up for 'urgent sale by owner', there was a stuffed teddy bear sitting on the back of the couch. That raised my eyebrow.

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

 

[JWSleuth]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

It's the law and I would say yes to this.

For victims protection right or wrong.

Edit... correct me if I'm wrong it has to do with ability to identify the victim? Perhaps historical is verified, not as easy to identify.

 

[SouthAussie]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Sorry. I completely don't get this post.

My 'grrrr' in my post is me saying that Australia has a propensity for protecting the names of convicted child sex offenders. Almost everyone here wants a national public sex offender registry. We are slowly ... very slowly ... making our way towards that.

 

[JWSleuth]

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[JWSleuth]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Also don't believe Daniels for his previous disgusting acts where published - only now because poor daniel is no longer with us and victim identification is not per say an issue.

 

[Warshawski]

I found a very fair blonde woman in one of the early search pictures. She's holding a dog on a lead and I don't know whether it's a police dog. The dog looks like one of the black drug detection dogs. Does anyone know if the woman is police-linked and if not, who she is? (Scroll about four-fifths of the way down; she's wearing a bright blue T-shirt.)
The day William Tyrrell vanished

Thanks for the refresher article & well spotted JLZ, would meet the description & a 1/4 hitch on part of her long hair.
Doubt the dog is 'law officer' tho.
IMO she's brought her dog along to search, or come across the activity on their walk (water bottle in hand ). Having said that, I don't know what time that photo was taken, nor any of the searchers' prior activities.

Were they colouring in, playing & drinking tea on that long verandah ? ?

Hoping someone can provide a plan / layout of FGM house, along with the 'boundary' details ie neighbour's fences, any immediate adjoining bushland etc.

 

[Karinna]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Good question. It's a bit like MBM case in the UK i think, leave no stone unturned, throw all the spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks eventually?
And 600-700 POI's in this one missing child case, that is quite astronomical for just one case IMO.

 

[Warshawski]

I remember a photo of a riding "lawn mower man" at Kendall and that it was said (by whom, Idk anymore), that was Sean, PS' son. Is my memory right or wrong?

I don't believe so FG - a different neighbour IMO

 

[Warshawski]

I have been pondering PS all day,thanks for doing the same..I think its because if he did snatch him,who was in the cars with William...here goes.....PS phone call 10.07..thats 8 mins before william went missing at 10.15 roughly..Heather left at 10.37 so thats nearly 20min after and ff must have just got back..so if PS did it he had from 10.08 roughly to walk outside and snatch a child and hide him before 10.37 when Heather left..where do you put a 3 year old for 22 min..I dont believe Heather left at 10.37 at all since he can remember that and nothing else,all he can remember sits outside of the Q police are asking....but saying that..PS has two sons...Sean and Daryll..there were no calls that we know of from his ph before the 10.45 sighting by RC.. my head hurts..the time the posty comes into the street is what i would like to know..im thinking my theory 1 is..Heather left after the 10.07 ph call..PS goes to see the posty to wink at her or just a glance since his wife has left..that puts him maybe 10meters and 5 min closer to William..grabs him and has him in the house, or goes into the bush behind his house..where was the scream and what time ??? andddd this is the part that i cant think how it could connect.....the sighting of blonde women in 4wd etc at .. all in moo and ramblings

I appreciate your 'ramblings' as you put it 64.

I've attempted a time line on a few occasions as I think it might help us, but my iPAD won't cooperate !

I'm not convinced PS took William, but I think he may know something. And I think perhaps he may not be the only one who knows something.

I still believe this was intentional, possibly to grab both children, but as the saying goes ' when opportunity presents itself / strike while the iron is hot'

IMO ...

 

[Warshawski]

There are so many things that don't seem to make sense with this case IMO.

There are still question marks around MS and BS...

PS isn't winning people over with his testimony...

And why are there so many dodgy sex offenders in the Kendall district????

cheers Ms Kite, I'm still interested in Marg & Bill - also their extended associates. The media appears (IMO) to be making a big deal of his alibi checking out so he's in the clear, but I can't understand how that can be the case on the basis of the police recorded interviews. Anyone could've met MS at cafe that morning & been party to that docket. .. Or it may've been BS but that doesn't mean he went to assembly ( though I guess the grandchild was asked )
IMO it's the dotted lines of connectivity that I'd really like to be able to explore more (surely Jubes had this plotted out tho )

And the other topic, IMO it's disturbing & appalling ; as is the fact that these lo-life's are allowed in mainstream society ..

 

[Warshawski]

1 more thought. Was someone watching and waiting for FFC to leave? Had not really considered this personally.
Edited

Double like Sleuth, been part of my thoughts

 

[SouthAussie]

....... so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Okay, I have found a bit of an answer about the determining factor.

It is to do with being able to identify the under-age victim. This very brief article says that unfortunately most perpetrators are known to their victims.

Presumably that means that if the perpetrator is not known to the under-age victim (perhaps not related/not a close family friend), the media can name the child sex offender - if no suppression order has been issued by the courts.

Also presumably, historical offences would not fall under this rule because the victims are now adults.


All members of the media are legally bound not to identify offenders if doing so identifies a child victim.
As the majority of victims in Australia sadly know their abusers, offenders are rarely named.
I am an advocate for victims, even while they are still under age and their families having the choice to forego their right to privacy if they want their abusers exposed - something which is not currently an option in Queensland.
Why we can't name and shame all child sex offenders

 

[Specialk72]

What is FFC?

I"m assuming FM = foster mother, FF = foster father, FGM = foster grandmother....but FFC has stumped me???

 

[SouthAussie]

What is FFC?

I"m assuming FM = foster mother, FF = foster father, FGM = foster grandmother....but FFC has stumped me???

Female Foster Carer

See Tricia's two posts at the beginning of each thread ....

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

 

[Specialk72]

I appreciate your 'ramblings' as you put it 64.

I've attempted a time line on a few occasions as I think it might help us, but my iPAD won't cooperate !

I'm not convinced PS took William, but I think he may know something. And I think perhaps he may not be the only one who knows something.

I still believe this was intentional, possibly to grab both children, but as the saying goes ' when opportunity presents itself / strike while the iron is hot'

IMO ...

Warshawski, you've mentioned your ipad not co=operating so many times I feel like I need to buy you a new one! Man it's driving me crazy!

 

[Specialk72]

Female Foster Carer

See Tricia's two posts at the beginning of each thread ....

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

thank you

 

[JWSleuth]

Female Foster Carer

See Tricia's two posts at the beginning of each thread ....

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

Oops i was trying to stick to above but I actually mean MFC as in father foster care which is wrong! So should be male foster carer.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oops i was trying to stick to above but I actually mean MFC as in father foster care which is wrong! So should be male foster carer.

I don't think Tricia expects us to always use the exact terms she has recommended. We all understand what BM, BD etc mean. She was just trying to give us examples, because we can no longer use anyone's initials or name.

 

[SouthAussie]

Also don't believe Daniels for his previous disgusting acts where published - only now because poor daniel is no longer with us and victim identification is not per say an issue.

Yes. Same with Hillsley. He murdered a child victim - so the victim was not afforded that identification protection.