Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[JWSleuth]

RC has described a woman with a 3-4yr old boy in a spiderman suit. Sub-consciously I think we prefer to hear this as opposed to the thought of William being taken by the likes of FA, RD or TJ for instance.

This blog post by Sydney Criminal Lawyers gives some insight into female child sex offenders. The examples refer to teenage victims, it's not clear from the blog if pre-pubescent children are more or less likely to be victims of female sex offenders.

It also has a clear description of the difference between a paedophile and a child sex offender which I found helpful.

Female Child Sex Offenders: More Common Than You Think!

Very interesting- thank you for sharing. I am surprised at the percentage of female offenders (based on perception that it's normally males we need to be on a lookout for)

 

[sosocurious]

Little William Tyrrell never far from Kendall's heart
William Tyrrell is never far from Kendall's heart

 

[SouthAussie]

Very interesting- thank you for sharing. I am surprised at the percentage of female offenders (based on perception that it's normally males we need to be on a lookout for)

There are sooooo many women out there who actually assist the offender in many ways, as well as those women who are perpetrators themselves.

How many times do women turn a blind eye to the offending, support the man in his court case (if it ever gets to that), punish the child for 'lying'. Refusing to see what is going on, not protecting the child. Some have even been known to lure the child for the man.

If that was William in that Land Cruiser, the woman may not even have been taking William for herself. She may have been taking him for a man or men. She may have been taking him for money for herself. She may have been taking him out of fear for herself - or for coercion reasons.

 

[interested64]

Sorry being clear is not a trait of mine! No just wondering if this could be a reason for:
- mick knowing bad people (drugs)
- mick not wanting to get involved (fear)
- mick thinking it was a strategy due to this person knowing PS or son and potential beef?
- mick knowing of the person driving (per palmers statement not micks)
- white car seen in the street and the car being white as per both Palmer and mick

Edit 2.

Also after the fact mick realising why the white car was at nocturnal guys house - having a similar shopping habit to person driving wh i te car.

Where true, from Palmer- I don't get why MM would think this was a setup for spedding unless something else is missing. Maybe MM placed spedding car in the area.

There are sooooo many women out there who actually assist the offender in many ways, as well as those women who are perpetrators themselves.

How many times do women turn a blind eye to the offending, support the man in his court case (if it ever gets to that), punish the child for 'lying'. Refusing to see what is going on, not protecting the child. Some have even been known to lure the child for the man.

If that was William in that Land Cruiser, the woman may not even have been taking William for herself. She may have been taking him for a man or men. She may have been taking him for money for herself. She may have been taking him out of fear for herself - or for coercion reasons.

So true.i had an aunt who knew her husband was interfering with their daughters and son..even got the daughter pregnant and the son committed suicide and she still stayed with him till well after the children left home..he ended up in another relationship and then when that went haywire she still invited him back into her life...and then he died .. yippy..so bizarre i will never get it

 

[mussopossum]

Re: this

I want to know if there's something unusual about the area and its attraction for these men - or if the actual truth is all areas are this concentrated with sex offenders and those suspected of sex offences, we just don't know it because there's no public registry here.

The sad reality is they are everywhere.

We probably would never have known of their existence in Kendall area if little William had not gone missing that day.

 

[mussopossum]

There are sooooo many women out there who actually assist the offender in many ways, as well as those women who are perpetrators themselves.

How many times do women turn a blind eye to the offending, support the man in his court case (if it ever gets to that), punish the child for 'lying'. Refusing to see what is going on, not protecting the child. Some have even been known to lure the child for the man.

If that was William in that Land Cruiser, the woman may not even have been taking William for herself. She may have been taking him for a man or men. She may have been taking him for money for herself. She may have been taking him out of fear for herself - or for coercion reasons.

Paul Bernado and Karla Harmolka from Canada a great example

 

[mussopossum]

So true.i had an aunt who knew her husband was interfering with their daughters and son..even got the daughter pregnant and the son committed suicide and she still stayed with him till well after the children left home..he ended up in another relationship and then when that went haywire she still invited him back into her life...and then he died .. yippy..so bizarre i will never get it

I am so sorry to hear this for all of your family. Especially the innocent children.

 

[Ms Kite]

There are sooooo many women out there who actually assist the offender in many ways, as well as those women who are perpetrators themselves.

How many times do women turn a blind eye to the offending, support the man in his court case (if it ever gets to that), punish the child for 'lying'. Refusing to see what is going on, not protecting the child. Some have even been known to lure the child for the man.

If that was William in that Land Cruiser, the woman may not even have been taking William for herself. She may have been taking him for a man or men. She may have been taking him for money for herself. She may have been taking him out of fear for herself - or for coercion reasons.

Which is why IMO, BS/MS have been asked over and over to provide proof that they were where they said there were (thinking in relation to turning a blind eye/ supporting in court example).

 

[Ms Kite]

Mother charged with child stealing after allegedly going on the run with daughters - ABC News

There are sooooo many women out there who actually assist the offender in many ways, as well as those women who are perpetrators themselves.

How many times do women turn a blind eye to the offending, support the man in his court case (if it ever gets to that), punish the child for 'lying'. Refusing to see what is going on, not protecting the child. Some have even been known to lure the child for the man.

If that was William in that Land Cruiser, the woman may not even have been taking William for herself. She may have been taking him for a man or men. She may have been taking him for money for herself. She may have been taking him out of fear for herself - or for coercion reasons.

It's equally possible that IF the woman in the 4WD that RC observed had taken William, she could be part of a network of people who help hide kids from authorities such as those implicated in the link below.

Interestingly one of the women charged with hiding a QLD mother and her kids was from Taree, and another, Newcastle.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that I believe this has happened. It's just another scenario as to why a woman might get involved in something like this.

Three women charged late last week had "active roles" in the abduction of three children, the AFP said.

"Police will allege these people provided assistance to the group's organisers in providing transport, accommodation and other support to allow two mothers to evade law enforcement detection," the AFP said in a statement.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Paul Bernado and Karla Harmolka from Canada a great example

Turning a blind eye and supporting the man: MS, when she wrote a reproachful message to BS' (alleged) victim.

 

[SouthAussie]

Mother charged with child stealing after allegedly going on the run with daughters - ABC News

It's equally possible that IF the woman in the 4WD that RC observed had taken William, she could be part of a network of people who help hide kids from authorities such as those implicated in the link below.

Interestingly one of the women charged with hiding a QLD mother and her kids was from Taree, and another, Newcastle.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that I believe this has happened. It's just another scenario as to why a woman might get involved in something like this.

Three women charged late last week had "active roles" in the abduction of three children, the AFP said.

"Police will allege these people provided assistance to the group's organisers in providing transport, accommodation and other support to allow two mothers to evade law enforcement detection," the AFP said in a statement.

We have read before about this clandestine group who help mothers and their children to evade being found. The mothers are escapees from violence and fear/know their children have been abused by the women's partner. But the court still allows the partner unsupervised access.

 

[Karinna]

Mother charged with child stealing after allegedly going on the run with daughters - ABC News

It's equally possible that IF the woman in the 4WD that RC observed had taken William, she could be part of a network of people who help hide kids from authorities such as those implicated in the link below.

Interestingly one of the women charged with hiding a QLD mother and her kids was from Taree, and another, Newcastle.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that I believe this has happened. It's just another scenario as to why a woman might get involved in something like this.

Three women charged late last week had "active roles" in the abduction of three children, the AFP said.

"Police will allege these people provided assistance to the group's organisers in providing transport, accommodation and other support to allow two mothers to evade law enforcement detection," the AFP said in a statement.

From the article you posted
(quote)
The alleged head of the syndicate, anti-paedophile campaigner Russell Pridgeon, has claimed the group was helping mothers and children escape fathers who were sexual abusers.

If there is any validity to this then why weren't those father's charged with child sexual abuse if that is what was going on??
If true then who can blame a mother to evade such monsters to keep their children safe?

 

[Karinna]

And Russell Pridgeon was working as a GP, so he was a medical Doctor when arrested and working in Grafton, NSW.

 

[Warshawski]

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Just to add to this post ... I never have felt comfortable about nocturnal man, though. The police searched his home 3 times in the first 24 hours. I believe that FGM proclaimed her thought that it could be him after that, because she was assured that he had been checked out thoroughly.

Also, in an article linked recently it says that they were 'unable' to name him. And I wondered why they were unable to do so. Because he was a sex offender? Or other reasons?
If he was a protected (grrr ...) sex offender, it could be why police searched his home 3 times in the first 24 hours.

Also, when we saw pics of the inside of his home, when it went up for 'urgent sale by owner', there was a stuffed teddy bear sitting on the back of the couch. That raised my eyebrow.

Personally I think there's many eyebrows raised re this person, and as I've said previously, it's interesting the 'silence' that surrounds him.

Maybe he's testified privately ? Maybe he's clear but provided good Intel ??

I trust in our Police investigators.

However - if this stuff has not been covered, there's questions to be answered.

 

[Warshawski]

Mmm interesting. Could this connect with Michael McInally (inquest potential sighting of erratic car). potential to know this type of person (being drugs rather than a pedo ring?)

Did an opportunity arise ?

Drug connections / jail connections / far & wide ... I've wondered ?

Just my own personal thoughts ..

 

[Warshawski]

"Mick might know dodgy people, that's all," Mr Palmer said.
"Mick physically said to me it wasn't Spedding but the whole idea that Mick was saying to me ... it was someone trying to set up Spedding. Maybe Spedding's son or stepson, trying to set Spedding up. That was the thing Mick was getting across to me," Mr Palmer said.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/mic...uest-told-of-white-sedan-20190814-p52h46.html

Good Ol' Mick - don't we all wish we had a Mick in our corner when things get Stickey!

ICE induced or otherwise, Dodgey comrades or otherwise - Palmer sees his testimony is Solid as ...

I'm not judging either way ( I also lean toward far reaching relationship engagements ) but all this inuendo - without any real testimony - peeves me no end.

There is someone - and they have associates - who knows something.
I can't fathom how anyone (and I'll say - especially a woman - not in anyway to be sexist, but simply because we were biologically designed to give Birth & to Nuture )

That someone should now speak up ( as I used to say to my kids, you'll be so much more punished for the lie !)

 

[Warshawski]

"Bickford said he was expecting police to seek him out as one of about 80 paedophiles in the area."

"Bickford said at the time he owned a white Holden Commodore and his son had a grey Holden Astra sedan but he said his son was in Brisbane with the car. The Astra has since been scrapped, he said."

"The former taxi driver said he knew Kendall but rarely took passengers there and had never been to Benaroon Dr. "

There is an awful lot of car scrapping going on in this area....

Category: | Herald Sun

Really ! I obviously missed this ! Bickford's son also scrapped a grey car - and in Brisbane . ..

Is my memory way off here ? Somehow I didn't think scrapped cars related to Bickford.

Mind you - IMO, there's been so many names, so msny dodgeys, so msny possibilities .. . I'm just befuddled, betwixed & just so sad

 

[Warshawski]

I am confused. Are you saying that as far as the laws and what the media are allowed to do, it's okay for the media to vilify in national media as a potential sex offender, someone who has never been convicted of sex offences, and bash them about for years as a person of interest in a missing child case without ever being charged, a case which has been touted to reportedly suspect pedophilic motives... but yet on the other hand, men who have actually been convicted of sex offences/child sex offences are protected from being named in the news??

I know that the monster Hillsley(sp?) has been named in the news in regard to his offences, and Daniel Morcombe's sexually deviant killer has been named? And that priest (Nicols?), and Bickford, and TJ.. have all been announced in media in regard to their convictions.. and now we also have Donohoe who has been named as a convicted sex offender.. they have even now named PS in relation to a potential stalking scenario, so what is the determining factor as to when a convicted offender can be named, and when he cannot be named?

Hi D, I understand your comments as I seem to live my life in a state of confusion.

So much is so wrong in my opinion, however I can only speak here & there, and hope that eventually the Tides will Turn & genuine values will prevail.

My prayers are for William, and his family...100% I believe that good will prevail - no matter how long (IMO)

 

[Warshawski]

Warshawski, you've mentioned your ipad not co=operating so many times I feel like I need to buy you a new one! Man it's driving me crazy![/QUOTE]

Lol & so sorry - it's been driving me crasy too ! Just staring my pain amongst friends !

Will now refrain

 

[Warshawski]

It varies state to state in Australia but would you say Donohue and Abbott received some sort of protection until the inquest? It's illegal to out a pedophile. The law is utilised to decide if information should be suppressed which in times benefits the perp.

Australia is trying to work through this - hence push for sex offender register. It's not black and white.

In some regards BS had protection in the upcoming trials, wether he should have been identified in the media will be his case against NSW police.

On the otherhand, if someone is arrested for this type of case, and bail and court listings are public knowledge I'm not sure where this fits in the ability to report on or not. Some cases are put under pseudonyms which would be debated by the defendants lawyer or judge/magistrate. I'm not a lawyer so this is my assessment if what seems to happen.

The other matter is suppression to allow a fair trial and justice. Given there has been a multitude of trials in progress this could be another reason for non publication orders.

Edit...

So in short yes I agree eith SA that some peadophiles are inadvertantly protected where the law is used to do so. Right or wrong, yet other cases are in the news, regardless of the presumption of innocence or outcome of the case.

Very well articulate

I say that in acknowledgment of a very difficult & emotive subject. .

I'm ok with initial suppression of both accused & accuser - however I do believe a guilty verdict should ensure the perpretrator is publicly known & recorded. ..
This is IMO the realness of a penal sentence (hiding away in a jail with everything provided by tax payers does not equate to genuine justice IMO )