Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[JWSleuth]

I don't like to be one to cast any suspicion on an uninvolved person.. but it seems that the FGM mentioned this fellow as a possibility for followup, police felt a need to search 3 times within 24 hours (maybe this happened with all of the 21 homes in this area?), the fellow was bothered by the 'heat' and moved away, and we don't really understand yet the reason for why he was cleared, ie no mention of an alibi placing him somewhere else at the time. I remember long ago, rightly or wrongly searching for any info on this fellow, and it was in very short supply. Now I hear that sex offenders' names aren't released to media, so even if he had previous convictions, they may be impossible to find. Causes me to go, hmm.

Yep.. it's complex depends how good your lawyer is I would think... and how many court cases your currently involved in...

 

[JWSleuth]

What was the false sighting

And the voicemails deleted rather than phone logs? I have not seen that?

 

[JWSleuth]

And the voicemails deleted rather than phone logs? I have not seen that?

Oh is that referencing the neighbour that back peddled on seeing his car?

 

[JWSleuth]

Neighbours retraction on seeing BS van:

“I wasn’t one hundred per cent sure it was Bill’s van. I said it looked like Bill’s van. I was 100 per cent sure it looked like his van,” he insisted, contrary to his police statement.

The inquest heard that police have since eliminated that the van that drove up the bush track was Mr Spedding’s.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sm...isappearance-discredited-20190823-p52k88.html

• I'd like to know if a van is still in the mix
• And also how they could eliminate that it was BS's van? Do they know know who's van it was?

 

[SouthAussie]

yes that as well!

I don't know of one person that has had there car crushed. We sell our cars in the big smoke even if they are 40 years old!

It could have been in a bad accident and then sold to the scrapper, then crushed by the scrapper. Once any good parts were removed. We heard absolutely no detail about this.

 

[SouthAussie]

This is an example of 'protect the perpretators' IMO - and the reason why it's so challenging for Victims to come forward / go through with the prosecution .

Quite honestly, most victims want justice, and standing up there & telling their story validates that fact. .. If too young to give permission for that, IMO the perpretrator should still be named (it's not that hard to fill in with 'blanks' )

IMO it's a sad fact that we don't actually do justice to 'our society', nor to our values.

One good thing that I have read just lately, is that some states are now stopping them from legally changing their names. A step in the right direction. Now we just need that public national sex offender register .......

Can you imagine, if FGM had been aware that a child sex offender(s) was living on her street or close by? This whole very sad story likely would never have happened. imo

A child should be safe playing in their own garden - other than the odd grazed knee (or broken collar bone, as my niece sustained despite so many verbal cautions).

 

[Wexford]

Although alibi was examined at inquest I didn't read anywhere it was confirmed,except by MS, whom no-one could confirm for sure was at the cafe or school assembly that morning.

There was a friend of theirs (footy coach maybe) who claimed he was at an assembly they were at but it was vague if it was the same assembly on 12th Sept. Then there was the family hairdresser who knew them well and was at the assembly on 12th Sept but does not remember seeing them. It is odd in a small town and a small school that not one person can definitively state they saw them either in the cafe or the school and the one person who may have photos that would prove they were there dropped their phone down the toilet. Very unlucky.

 

[SouthAussie]

There was a friend of theirs (footy coach maybe) who claimed he was at an assembly they were at but it was vague if it was the same assembly on 12th Sept. Then there was the family hairdresser who knew them well and was at the assembly on 12th Sept but does not remember seeing them. It is odd in a small town and a small school that not one person can definitively state they saw them either in the cafe or the school and the one person who may have photos that would prove they were there dropped their phone down the toilet. Very unlucky.

Especially as Spedding stated in his walkthrough that attendance at the assembly was less than usual.

And Margaret thought that they probably sat outside (on a cool day with low attendance at the assembly - what are the chances that the door to the exterior would have been open?) while Spedding said that they definitely sat inside.

It is totally understandable why Spedding was never dropped as a POI. imo

Good luck with the lawsuit. There is video testimony as to why doubt remained.
As well as police empathy for the unfair media attention contained in the same video.

 

[Karinna]

Especially as Spedding stated in his walkthrough that attendance at the assembly was less than usual.

And Margaret thought that they probably sat outside (on a cool day with low attendance at the assembly - what are the chances that the door to the exterior would have been open?) while Spedding said that they definitely sat inside.

It is totally understandable why Spedding was never dropped as a POI. imo

Good luck with the lawsuit. There is video testimony as to why doubt remained.
As well as police empathy for the unfair media attention contained in the same video.

BBM, I doubt that any good lawyer would take that on if they didn't have a good chance of being successful in court, especially if they lose and their client would have to possibly pay court costs. Unless it's a no win no fee situation?
I also think that it is the reason litigation is now going ahead after BS had to go to court in regard to the historic charges which are now done.
The lawyer would of probably had to wait for all that to be finalized first before going ahead with any lawsuits, IMO.
Maybe if there is a lawyer here they could chime in about it and how that works?

 

[Karinna]

Haven't BS & MS been released from the Inquest now?

 

[JWSleuth]

Haven't BS & MS been released from the Inquest now?

Released in what respect?

 

[JWSleuth]

Especially as Spedding stated in his walkthrough that attendance at the assembly was less than usual.

And Margaret thought that they probably sat outside (on a cool day with low attendance at the assembly - what are the chances that the door to the exterior would have been open?) while Spedding said that they definitely sat inside.

It is totally understandable why Spedding was never dropped as a POI. imo

Good luck with the lawsuit. There is video testimony as to why doubt remained.
As well as police empathy for the unfair media attention contained in the same video.

I agree good luck! Police were able to get a search warrant, so something passed the test.

I think it might fall over before proceeding.

Will be a battle against interpretation of the law IMO.

Edit...And If blind freddy can see inconsistencies - surely NSWPOL are legally entitled to investigate concerns.

 

[Karinna]

Released in what respect?

From giving further evidence? I thought i read that during the proceedings.

 

[Karinna]

The thing with BS is he was gone over forensically by LE with a fine tooth comb as we read at the time. The rental home where they lived and vehicles etc. I can't ever recall any MSM articles where LE said he was a suspect in WT's case? It was mostly to do with the historic case that pertained to his arrest & charges and upcoming court hearings

 

[JWSleuth]

Yeah I think he is finished his testimony.

If it's any comfort Brett Cowan (Daniel Morcombe case) also finished his testimony and walked out of the inquest.

Not implying BS but finishing your testimony does not mean much in the big scheme of things.

The similarities in Daniels case are interesting and a lesson for all.

 

[JWSleuth]

Category: | The Courier Mail

Interesting read, sorry if this has been previously posted. In this case several sightings (incorrectly) of a blue car probably kept Cowan off the radar for much longer than necessary.

 

[Karinna]

One good thing that I have read just lately, is that some states are now stopping them from legally changing their names. A step in the right direction. Now we just need that public national sex offender register .......

Can you imagine, if FGM had been aware that a child sex offender(s) was living on her street or close by? This whole very sad story likely would never have happened. imo

A child should be safe playing in their own garden - other than the odd grazed knee (or broken collar bone, as my niece sustained despite so many verbal cautions).

It's an assumption IMO as to what FGM or any of the locals in Kendall knew about SO's living there.
It is only a very small town and people talk and everyone knows everyone as has been stated by some of the locals there. Maybe they knew something or maybe they didn't?

 

[Karinna]

Yeah I think he is finished his testimony.

If it's any comfort Brett Cowan (Daniel Morcombe case) also finished his testimony and walked out of the inquest.

Not implying BS but finishing your testimony does not mean much in the big scheme of things.

The similarities in Daniels case are interesting and a lesson for all.

There is no way of knowing that in this case right now. If it is similar or not time will tell.

 

[JWSleuth]

There is no way of knowing that in this case right now. If it is similar or not time will tell.

100% We know that giving a testimony (your version of events) does not mean you are innocent.

(Which I don't believe BS is guilty anyhow at this point of time)

 

[Karinna]

100% We know that giving a testimony (your version of events) does not mean you are innocent.

(Which I don't believe BS is guilty anyhow at this point of time)

Yes of course. And testimony needs to be backed with evidence from cases i have followed as well. Sadly sometimes perpetrators of a crime get away with their crime if LE can't find evidence circumstantial or otherwise to take it to Trial to gain a conviction.