Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[purpleandgreen]

Good to have you here and your input on this thread.
As far as POI's i can't remember any of the cases i have followed in the United States where law enforcement ever come out publicly to clear a POI. I just don't think they do that. But sometimes a POI has gone from POI status to Suspect, and soon after an arrest usually follows.

Australia and US = apples & oranges. IMO.

 

[Karinna]

Yes, but the lawyers only attend when their clients interests are at stake? From what I have heard from others who have attended the inquest, the lawyers are not all there every day. Only when it is relevant to them.

So, if Spedding is not there ... O'Brien did not need to be there.

I agree that O'Brien no longer wanted to be there.
And was making a point that Spedding was 'no longer needed'. Although we have since found out that if Spedding is recalled, O'Brien can come back with him - despite his withdrawal.

Doesn't the Coroner usually let them know if they might be up for recall though? I think this happened with some of the other witnesses didn't it?

 

[interested64]

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I was at the inquest when DP gave his testimony. I won't lay out all that he said as some of his testimony was suppressed.

DP stated he witnessed a van coming out of Long Point Trail onto the Ghost Rd. At that time BS was at a club with family. His lawyer provided video footage from the club as evidence.

DP was not an impressive witness, far from it. I'll just leave it at that.

he at the club with or without his van i wonder,i presume the family went together

 

[Karinna]

Australia and US = apples & oranges. IMO.

Do you know of any cases in Australia where LE have publicly cleared a named POI? I'm asking because i don't know if that is standard procedure in Aus.?

 

[interested64]

i wo

For example Brett Cowan who left a child for dead with horrific injuries and molested countless children before he murdered Daniel Morcombe, all his previous convictions were secreted from the jury, they weren’t to know anything about his past.

Yes Warshawski it’s screwed up.

I wonder how some people sleep at night

 

[purpleandgreen]

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he at the club with or without his van i wonder,i presume the family went together

And in the in the interests of fairness re times of photos/ videos etc, was the video time stamped and if so has that time stamp been verified by experts?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so to speak.

 

[SouthAussie]

Doesn't the Coroner usually let them know if they might be up for recall though? I think this happened with some of the other witnesses didn't it?

I wasn't at the inquest. It hasn't been reported in the media that he is not going to be recalled. I don't believe the Coroner would state that. She needs to see where the inquest direction goes.

I posted a link a little further back where Lia Harris said that this possibly could be the end of the investigation for Spedding. Presumably it hasn't been stated and no-one knows.

I think that the Coroner stated that Geoff Owen would be recalled only because he hadn't finished his testimony. She made that clear.

 

[Karinna]

DBM

 

[SouthAussie]

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he at the club with or without his van i wonder,i presume the family went together

Good question. From what I have seen in media photos, they had a people mover - presumably so they could all travel safely together.
There were children in the footy club video, and Spedding was not wearing his work shirt (the work attire stated by Margaret in her walkthrough).

 

[interested64]

And in the in the interests of fairness re times of photos/ videos etc, was the video time stamped and if so has that time stamp been verified by experts?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, so to speak.

yes if it was a photo that proves he was there,then where is the information on the sighting of the photo he took at prize giving,time stamped also which would clear him fully..i just dont get how he can be cleared at all in such an important matter,he has his o i cant be bothered wife who can only remember her name,thats it..nothing proves where he was,i believe he is covering something even if he didnt do it

 

[Karinna]

I wasn't at the inquest. It hasn't been reported in the media that he is not going to be recalled. I don't believe the Coroner would state that. She needs to see where the inquest direction goes.

I posted a link a little further back where Lia Harris said that this possibly could be the end of the investigation for Spedding. Presumably it hasn't been stated and no-one knows.

I think that the Coroner stated that Geoff Owen would be recalled only because he hadn't finished his testimony. She made that clear.

Okay, thanks. I was thinking some of the witnesses could be recalled but not so from what you have said in your post.

 

[they'll get you]

I’m speculating here as to why he may have been called, but it ended up being a spectacularly effective strategy for BS to have Pollard there. It became headline news that evidence implicating BS was wrong. O’Brien made his point with a sledgehammer, to the extent that some media outlets are referring to BS as a “former POI”.

He’s still very much on my radar. The evidence wasn’t strong enough to convince me. He’s still in the race.

 

[SouthAussie]

He’s still very much on my radar. The evidence wasn’t strong enough to convince me. He’s still in the race.

Of course he is. It is the Coroner's race, she'll decide when that race is over.
Then the police will either sit back on a cold case, or have further recommendations to pursue.

 

[SLouTh]

Brace yourself when Margaret Cuneen SC steps up to the plate. She is phenomenal!

I take this to mean when she defends GJ in his upcoming appearance???
( I think others have misunderstood and thought at the current inquest)
What will be allowed in open court and not covered by suppression orders... will give us some real insight into her ....
It will be frustrating if it’s all heard in a private courtroom...,., but understand why..,.

Cleaver,
my simple understanding is that the Coroner would have already heard those tapes??? While the brief of evidence was being put together....

And if she (HG) thinks the evidence on the tape is important then will still will try and obtain that same evidence within the coroners court setting so that it may be used in a trial, if needed?? Would that be correct? Or is that not allowed as well??

Thanks so much Cleaver for clearing up the legal aspects of the Coroners Court and such! Your thoughts and comments are very welcome here...

Do you have any theories or have you found any holes in what we have heard so far ?? Things that need further exploration..? Just interested...

 

[interested64]

He’s still very much on my radar. The evidence wasn’t strong enough to convince me. He’s still in the race.

I agree,like some said, where there is smoke there is fire.Someone way back in the beginning wrote a bit about all the things that were leaning towards him,and even now the same situation,i think he getting in while he can and banking on a cold case..come on nsw police .. also imo opinion if my son had been murdered by someone who wasnt to have his previous cases heard i would be doing my nut..

 

[they'll get you]

So O'Brien must have known that DP was going to backflip on it being 100% Speddings van. Or why else would he have called him?

Curious huh?

 

[sosocurious]

Curious huh?

soso

 

[they'll get you]

i wo

I wonder how some people sleep at night

Because they don’t give a rat’s.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

I take this to mean when she defends GJ in his upcoming appearance???
( I think others have misunderstood and thought at the current inquest)
What will be allowed in open court and not covered by suppression orders... will give us some real insight into her ....
It will be frustrating if it’s all heard in a private courtroom...,., but understand why..,.

Cleaver,
my simple understanding is that the Coroner would have already heard those tapes??? While the brief of evidence was being put together....

And if she (HG) thinks the evidence on the tape is important then will still will try and obtain that same evidence within the coroners court setting so that it may be used in a trial, if needed?? Would that be correct? Or is that not allowed as well??

Thanks so much Cleaver for clearing up the legal aspects of the Coroners Court and such! Your thoughts and comments are very welcome here...

Do you have any theories or have you found any holes in what we have heard so far ?? Things that need further exploration..? Just interested...

That’s a lot of questions! I’ll try to work through what I can.

I have no opinion on who was involved. We are hearing very small snippets of the investigation. I have no inside knowledge of this case and am relying on (mostly) public information.

The Coroner is not bound by rules of evidence. If Jubelin has illegally obtained evidence, then there is every chance that it would not be admissible in a trial. The laws on admissibility of evidence are books in themselves. However, the Coroners Court can hear evidence that is not admissible in a criminal trial.

I expect that the Coroner will hear all the evidence, admissible in a trial or not, including the tapes. I do not know hw that evidence will be dealt with. It may be that the entire Coroners Report will be suppressed until the outcome of any criminal proceedings. I think the Coroner is in unchartered territory.

 

[sosocurious]

That’s a lot of questions! I’ll try to work through what I can.

I have no opinion on who was involved. We are hearing very small snippets of the investigation. I have no inside knowledge of this case and am relying on (mostly) public information.

The Coroner is not bound by rules of evidence. If Jubelin has illegally obtained evidence, then there is every chance that it would not be admissible in a trial. The laws on admissibility of evidence are books in themselves. However, the Coroners Court can hear evidence that is not admissible in a criminal trial.

I expect that the Coroner will hear all the evidence, admissible in a trial or not, including the tapes. I do not know hw that evidence will be dealt with. It may be that the entire Coroners Report will be suppressed until the outcome of any criminal proceedings. I think the Coroner is in unchartered territory.

Do you think G J will be called to give evidence at the inquest?