Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[SouthAussie]

I think the Coroner is in unchartered territory.

I think you are probably right there. I have looked and looked for any kind of records - MSM or otherwise - showing another police officer being prosecuted for illegal recordings. I have been unable to find anything at all.

When ( ) found not guilty, Jubes could probably file his own lawsuit against NSWPOL for malicious prosecution. Except he has said he has no hard feelings against them.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Do you think G J will be called to give evidence at the inquest?

I just don’t see how he could give evidence. I understand how he is SO important, but the investigation is under a cloud, rightly or wrongly, because of his actions (I have no view on this). I understand why the investigation team is distancing themselves from him.

If I was his lawyer I would advise him not to give evidence. But it depends on what he is willing to sacrifice if he truly believes that he knows what happened to WT.

 

[Sillybilly]

Discussing other members is not allowed and putting someone on the hotseat about who they may be is just unacceptable behaviour at Websleuths (not to mention that outing another member in any way has the potential to be a security concern).

Did I forget to mention that it is exceptionally rude to talk about others as if they aren't even in the room?

Veteran members should know better. If it happens again, some serious loss of posting privileges will result.

 

[interested64]

I just don’t see how he could give evidence. I understand how he is SO important, but the investigation is under a cloud, rightly or wrongly, because of his actions (I have no view on this). I understand why the investigation team is distancing themselves from him.

If I was his lawyer I would advise him not to give evidence. But it depends on what he is willing to sacrifice if he truly believes that he knows what happened to WT.

I am sure he is the type of person who will take whatever happens and never give up..our children have no justice in the system today and our children are getting murdered

 

[SouthAussie]

I am sure he is the type of person who will take whatever happens and never give up..our children have no justice in the system today and our children are getting murdered

Yes, I think Jubes has clearly demonstrated what he will personally sacrifice for the child victims and their families already.

Long hours, criticism, two marriages down the tubes, not being liked by some of his peers, being charged for allegedly illegally doing his job, having his good name smeared all over the media due to that .... then he still shows up at the inquest ... then he shows up at the Sydney BAD festival and smiles and chats and says he has no hard feelings toward NSWPOL.

 

[SLouTh]

Yes, I think Jubes has clearly demonstrated what he will personally sacrifice for the child victims and their families already.

Long hours, criticism, two marriages down the tubes, not being liked by some of his peers, being charged for allegedly illegally doing his job, having his good name smeared all over the media due to that .... then he still shows up at the inquest ... then he shows up at the Sydney BAD festival and smiles and chats and says he has no hard feelings toward NSWPOL.

NSWPOL is a large organisation with many very good people, including other very good detectives ... and one person, no matter how good they are, is not indispensable ... I am sure GJ himself is also aware of this....
They are continuing to work on the case ... the inquest is still ongoing - so it is not yet a cold case, as many people feared... so there is still hope and a very good chance it will be solved...

 

[SouthAussie]

NSWPOL is a large organisation with many very good people, including other very good detectives ... and one person, no matter how good they are, is not indispensable ... I am sure GJ himself is also aware of this....
They are continuing to work on the case ... the inquest is still ongoing - so it is not yet a cold case, as many people feared... so there is still hope and a very good chance it will be solved...

Presumably your post is just bouncing off my post - because I certainly have not alluded to anything otherwise.

It was Caroline Overington who stated that an inquest is generally the last stop before a cold case, as per the link I believe I provided at the time.


ETA: Here is the link again, in case it was missed the first time I posted it ....

Coroners Court
The investigation, on Jubelin’s removal, was sent to the Coroners Court — the last stop, usually, to cold-case status.

NoCookies | The Australian
A rock and a hard case for Gary Jubelin
September 21, 2019

 

[SouthAussie]

Oops ... the date of that linked article ^^^^^ is September 11, 2019.
I copied the date at the top of the linked page, under The Australian's banner, which is today's date.

 

[SLouTh]

Presumably your post is just bouncing off my post - because I certainly have not alluded to anything otherwise.

It was Caroline Overington who stated that an inquest is generally the last stop before a cold case, as per the link I believe I provided at the time.


ETA: Here is the link again, in case it was missed the first time I posted it ....

Coroners Court
The investigation, on Jubelin’s removal, was sent to the Coroners Court — the last stop, usually, to cold-case status.

NoCookies | The Australian
A rock and a hard case for Gary Jubelin
September 21, 2019

The point of my post was not about the fear of a cold case ....( this was also in the Lia Harris Podcast and spoken about with the FM... )

The point of my post was that GJ is not indispensable, despite the ongoing adulation of him here on the thread....
And, quite possibly the case may be solved by other hardworking detectives that are not poster boys for the NSWPOL....

 

[SouthAussie]

The point of my post was not about the fear of a cold case ....( this was also in the Lia Harris Podcast and spoken about with the FM... )

The point of my post was that GJ is not indispensable, despite the ongoing adulation of him here on the thread....
And, quite possibly the case may be solved by other hardworking detectives that are not poster boys for the NSWPOL....

I believe that it is only the FF who publicly think he is indispensable in this case?
No point in arguing their opinion with me. imo

Many of us think Jubes is great. Only some of us have felt - that I have seen - that his leaving the force has meant that the case wont be solved. And I was not among those people. Perhaps seek out one of those posts and respond to that?

I think Jubes - and his team under his direction - has done lots of important ground work that may well lead to the solving of this case, eventually. Though I think it is unfortunate that Laidlaw has not yet shown his face and reassured the public.

 

[SLouTh]

The point of my post was not about the fear of a cold case ....( this was also in the Lia Harris Podcast and spoken about with the FM... )

The point of my post was that GJ is not indispensable, despite the ongoing adulation of him here on the thread....
And, quite possibly the case may be solved by other hardworking detectives that are not poster boys for the NSWPOL....

And to add....
Australian Government Organisations like the Police Force must be transparent....
And IF, GJ has overstepped the line with illegal recordings ... they must be seen as following the due process...

 

[SouthAussie]

And to add....
Australian Government Organisations like the Police Force must be transparent....
And IF, GJ has overstepped the line with illegal recordings ... they must be seen as following the due process...

Can I ask why your posts appear argumentative with mine? Everything that is being stated in your posts is nothing that I have said otherwise. Although I am very disappointed that internal politics seems to have interfered with this case. Which I have said in the past - and linked appropriate links.

I support Jubes wholeheartedly. I believe he feels he has done nothing wrong, that the recordings were for operational reasons. Your opinion is not going to change mine. And I do not believe mine will change yours.
That is why I find some posts not worthwhile to respond to, unless they appear to be directly and incorrectly attacking mine for unknown reasons.

 

[SLouTh]

Long hours, criticism, two marriages down the tubes, not being liked by some of his peers, being charged for allegedly illegally doing his job, having his good name smeared all over the media due to that .... .

I am merely stating my own objective comment about this particular part of your post...
I believe we are allowed to make objective comments here... and it is MOO...

 

[purpleandgreen]

And to add....
Australian Government Organisations like the Police Force must be transparent....
And IF, GJ has overstepped the line with illegal recordings ... they must be seen as following the due process...

The key word being ‘IF’. Let’s wait and see before throwing him to the wolves.

If one of mine was missing feared dead he’d be the one I’d want on the case. And yes there are lots of good men & women out there who do excellent police work, just that some are better for certain types of cases than others, some are more passionate and determined and happy to grind themselves into the ground at great personal cost to get answers for grieving families. IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

I am merely stating my own objective comment about this particular part of your post...
I believe we are allowed to make objective comments here... and it is MOO...

Strayed a long way from that part of my post, and assumptive over many things. imo

I am now going to agree to disagree with you. Thanks.

 

[SLouTh]

For the record .... I have never said, nor implied that I don’t respect GJ or his work on the case..or that he is guilty...
I was trying to be objective..

 

[sleepinoz]

Just going to add my 2cents worth.

I don't think GJ is indispensable to NSW Police, but I do believe that he is to Williams investigation.

GJ and Lambert were the top 2 detectives in charge of this investigation for almost 4 years, both have been removed.

Yes there are other intelligent investigators that have worked on this case, but not, to my knowledge, as long as GJ and Lambert. They had the 'overall' view and knowledge of the case, which IMO is something that would be required at the Inquest and in the Investigation.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just going to add my 2cents worth.

I don't think GJ is indispensable to NSW Police, but I do believe that he is to Williams investigation.

GJ and Lambert were the top 2 detectives in charge of this investigation for almost 4 years, both have been removed.

Yes there are other intelligent investigators that have worked on this case, but not, to my knowledge, as long as GJ and Lambert. They had the 'overall' view and knowledge of the case, which IMO is something that would be required at the Inquest and in the Investigation.

Yes, seems to many that it is not the smartest move that NSWPOL have made ... judging by the public support Jubes has received in the online petition.

It may well be that NSWPOL end up with egg on their face if this ends up being a cold case.

 

[SLouTh]

Just going to add my 2cents worth.

I don't think GJ is indispensable to NSW Police, but I do believe that he is to Williams investigation.

GJ and Lambert were the top 2 detectives in charge of this investigation for almost 4 years, both have been removed.

Yes there are other intelligent investigators that have worked on this case, but not, to my knowledge, as long as GJ and Lambert. They had the 'overall' view and knowledge of the case, which IMO is something that would be required at the Inquest and in the Investigation.

Has Lambert been called to give evidence at the inquest?? I honestly can’t remember....

 

[SLouTh]

Has Lambert been called to give evidence at the inquest?? I honestly can’t remember....

I have checked the list of persons giving evidence at the inquest... (I have saved them from this thread)
Lambert does not appear on the list....
So we could also ask WHY isn’t Lambert giving evidence??? When he and GJ were so instrumental to the case???