Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[Karinna]

Yes, judges can authorise listening devices and other investigation methods that would otherwise be unlawful. Police have to explain to the judge why they believe it is necessary and if the judge agrees, then it can be done. But it’s always a very specific authorisation. I was involved in one case where police asked for warrants for several listening devices between various parties. Some, but not all, were granted. The judge didn’t think there was enough reason for all of the ones requested.

Thanks for your reply and explanation of how that works.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

@Cleaver Greene

I understand that you are a Verified Attorney, may I ask what type of Law you practice?

Criminal.

 

[sleepinoz]

Criminal.

Thank you for replying

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m sure that police illegally record conversations all the time. They would then use that recording to find other, admissible evidence and the recording would never see the light of day.

RSBM: And there you have it. Illegal recordings and use of less-than-upstanding informants to get them on the right track, or ensure they're on the right track, and then further their legal evidence is a fairly common occurrence. imo

 

[Cleaver Greene]

RSBM: And there you have it. Illegal recordings and use of less-than-upstanding informants to get them on the right track, or ensure they're on the right track, and then further their legal evidence is a fairly common occurrence. imo

They usually don’t get caught though. And if they do, the evidence is out. I have never heard of it happening, although I have suspected it a few times.

 

[SouthAussie]

They usually don’t get caught though. And when they do, the evidence is out.

Jubes has been around the block more than several times and has been involved with undercover (Strike Force Tuno) operations. He is no novice. Far from it.

I would guess that he was informed on by an internal source. Someone he thought he could trust, but obviously couldn't. I doubt that Savage even knew he was recorded.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Jubes has been around the block more than several times and has been involved with undercover (Strike Force Tuno) operations. He is no novice. Far from it.

I would guess that he was informed on by an internal source. Someone he thought he could trust, but obviously couldn't. I doubt that Savage even knew he was being recorded.

Was it a recording of Savage talking to someone else or Savage talking to Jubes? If the latter maybe he was happy to give the information when recording was done, but then something happened that made him change his mind after the fact?

Edited to add - this reeks of professional jealousy to me. IMO

 

[Cleaver Greene]

They usually don’t get caught though. And if they do, the evidence is out. I have never heard of it happening, although I have suspected it a few times.

Actually, I have heard of it. Lawyer X. Now the subject of a Royal Commission. It’s not panning out so well for VICPOL.

 

[SouthAussie]

Actually, I have heard of it. Lawyer X. Now the subject of a Royal Commission. It’s not panning out so well for VICPOL.

Unfortunately, we cannot inject suspected perps with truth serum, or include alleged perps previous similar convictions in trials, nor can we let murderers, rapists and child abusers roam free. The police are fighting a constant uphill battle.

Ever thought of becoming a prosecutor?

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Unfortunately, we cannot inject suspected perps with truth serum, or include alleged perps previous similar convictions in trials, nor can we let murderers, rapists and child abusers roam free. The police are fighting a constant uphill battle.

Ever thought of becoming a prosecutor?

I used to be a prosecutor.

 

[Karinna]

Unfortunately, we cannot inject suspected perps with truth serum, or include alleged perps previous similar convictions in trials, nor can we let murderers, rapists and sex offenders roam free. The police are fighting a constant uphill battle.

From what i know the Law/Judicial system is skewed in favor of perpetrators and their legal rights. Unfortunately for victims of crime, but due process has to be followed far as i'm aware.
It can sometimes be a long road to Justice for victims of crime. All IMO.

 

[they'll get you]

The point of my post was not about the fear of a cold case ....( this was also in the Lia Harris Podcast and spoken about with the FM... )

The point of my post was that GJ is not indispensable, despite the ongoing adulation of him here on the thread....
And, quite possibly the case may be solved by other hardworking detectives that are not poster boys for the NSWPOL....

BBM

That is a disgusting comment.
Poster boy arghhh!

 

[SouthAussie]

I used to be a prosecutor.

It is a good side of the system to be on. imo
Fighting for the good guys.

 

[they'll get you]

I believe that it is only the FF who publicly think he is indispensable in this case?
No point in arguing their opinion with me. imo

Many of us think Jubes is great. Only some of us have felt - that I have seen - that his leaving the force has meant that the case wont be solved. And I was not among those people. Perhaps seek out one of those posts and respond to that?

I think Jubes - and his team under his direction - has done lots of important ground work that may well lead to the solving of this case, eventually. Though I think it is unfortunate that Laidlaw has not yet shown his face and reassured the public.

BBM

 

[Cleaver Greene]

It is a good side of the system to be on. imo
Fighting for the good guys.

Right now Jubelin is not on the good side of the system. I am very glad that he has an excellent lawyer representing hm.

 

[SouthAussie]

Right now Jubelin is not on the good side of the system. I am very glad that he has an excellent lawyer representing hm.

Yes, sometimes defence lawyers fight for the good guys. I get your drift.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Right now Jubelin is not on the good side of the system. I am very glad that he has an excellent lawyer representing hm.

As are over 13,800 other people.

 

[they'll get you]

Just going to add my 2cents worth.

I don't think GJ is indispensable to NSW Police, but I do believe that he is to Williams investigation.

GJ and Lambert were the top 2 detectives in charge of this investigation for almost 4 years, both have been removed.

Yes there are other intelligent investigators that have worked on this case, but not, to my knowledge, as long as GJ and Lambert. They had the 'overall' view and knowledge of the case, which IMO is something that would be required at the Inquest and in the Investigation.

According to sloth Jubes and Lambert were just poster boys.

 

[JLZ]

It is a good side of the system to be on. imo
Fighting for the good guys.

It's also honourable to speak for those who can't speak and navigate the system for themselves. Not to thwart justice, but because they should have the opportunity to state their side of the matter.

 

[SouthAussie]

From what i know the Law/Judicial system is skewed in favor of perpetrators and their legal rights. Unfortunately for victims of crime, but due process has to be followed far as i'm aware.
It can sometimes be a long road to Justice for victims of crime. All IMO.

Yes, and sometimes justice is never achieved due to that skewing.
A good thing to remember in historical cases, like Spedding's, when the youngest victim even named her abuser.