Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[SouthAussie]

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris Aug 13
Mr Spedding’s lawyer is now questioning Mr McInally about the sighting. He told the court he was in a “bad boating accident” six months before he told Mr Palmer about the car. @10NewsFirst @10Daily


Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris Aug 13
He is asked if he knew Bill Spedding and he tells the court he didn’t. He is also asked if he knew Mr Owen drove a White sedan and he said he didn’t. @10NewsFirst @10Daily
BBM

Makes a person wonder if Geoff Owen is a POI also.

He said on the day William Tyrrell went missing he saw a white sedan driving "crazily" down Batar Creek Road and the driver using his left hand to push something into the passenger side footwell, Mr Palmer said.
Car drove 'crazily' day Tyrrell vanished, inquest hears

 

[SouthAussie]

Sounds to me that could be the 5 POIs/suspects that were scheduled to appear at the inquest.

Spedding
Donohoe
Owen
Abbott
Jones

 

[sosocurious]

Sounds to me that could be the 5 POIs/suspects that were scheduled to appear at the inquest.

Spedding
Donohoe
Owen
Abbott
Jones

PS??

 

[SouthAussie]

PS??

Oh yes, how on earth did I forget him??

 

[Seek]

Sometimes when I see one of my client's work vans from a distance, I realise when the van drives by me that it is someone else's van. It is signwritten, but not in their signwriting.

I wonder what kind of work vehicle Geoff Owen drove, and if he ever let Frank Abbott drive the van.

Good question, I wonder who could have had access to BS van at the time?

 

[Loxoli]

I do agree with you Karinna.
The Child Services delayed and hindered when William went missing.
It has not been the first time that it has happened
I was stunned that this protocol was still being used as much of the Welfare has got a overhaul over the years.
I say this from experience as a former Welfare and state Ward of 1970's &1980's my Grandparents lost me for a few years and family members tried to find me but were blocked it took a few years before I was able to contact them. My Grandparents had a family secret, which the Welfare Officer threaten them that he would use it in court if they did not give me and my siblings up.
(Long story of family history still researching it, I moved on with my life took it as a learning experience)
During this time Children Home whose control I was under there, was a young girl who was grabbed raped by four men(she will still living at the home and this happened on an outing) The Welfare never reported to the police.
From what I learn from other Girls this was not the first time it happened.
In High School I was attacked by a 13 year old boy for no reason, I fought back.
It was witnessed by teacher and kids in my classroom the situation was dealt with with the Headmaster.
Yet a week later the Mother of the boy filed a complaint about me attacking her boy for no reason so the Home punished me.
They had a pretty nasty punishment it broke many children) even after the school told the Welfare the boy was at fault," no" they said" That I had to learn not to fight and hurt people regardless of the situation."
Later on, I was removed from a family I was in care with as the Welfare were informed by Neighbours and the School, they should reported to the Police but they did not just swept it under the carpet.

I can see the Foster Family loved little William, and he was a happy child. It brought tears to my eyes.
But the restrictions placed on them, they Foster Family and Birth Family when the first alert was came out it , so many people had and still judge them although both parties have been cleared.
I still in contact with a foster family I stayed with for a short time and they are still part of my life.

Sometimes it does not take blood or DNA to make a family, but a love can bind a family together

I have yet to see some one from the Child Service at the court hope it will be when things resume with answers
I hope the Corner at the end this will recommend a new set guide lines in regarding of such situation of any children in care.
Praying and hope for William .

Thanks for sharing your experience, Shadow Light. Hearing what children like yourself have been through within the system is heartbreaking. I’m glad that there have been many changes and that it is a stronger system now though. Although I do think that it’s definitely not perfect, yet.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Good question, I wonder who could have had access to BS van at the time?

MS perhaps? A grandmother of x grandchildren in her care, whose husband had lived for a time at another address than MS, certainly has the ability to drive a car, possibly even a van? Or had the driver been recognized as being a man?

 

[deugirtni]

SouthAussie said: ↑
Sometimes when I see one of my client's work vans from a distance, I realise when the van drives by me that it is someone else's van. It is signwritten, but not in their signwriting.

I wonder what kind of work vehicle Geoff Owen drove, and if he ever let Frank Abbott drive the van.

Good question, I wonder who could have had access to BS van at the time?

MS perhaps? A grandmother of x grandchildren in her care, whose husband had lived for a time at another address than MS, certainly has the ability to drive a car, possibly even a van? Or had the driver been recognized as being a man?

Just upthread a little, it was posted that the coroner's counsel, Mr. Craddock, had stated that what the fellow saw going down the bush path that day couldn't have been BS, and then someone else posted that police had since ruled out that it was Spedding's van (I believe it was at the inquest IIRC). At some point during the inquest, I believe it was also pointed out that at the time when the neighbour saw this van, Spedding was somewhere else. So I'm not quite sure why we are wondering who was driving Spedding's van at the time? <confused>

There are probably thousands of people and thousands of vans it could have been that the neighbour saw, and there are probably just as many reasons why it may have seemed that someone was ducking.. like perhaps they dropped something and went to fetch it at their feet or whatever. Sometimes not everything is about the person who witnesses something, ie it may have had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact this fellow was driving by at that time.

As well, police did a major search of that area at the time, and found nothing, so whatever van it was, and whomever was driving it, it seems that it was nothing related to W's disappearance in the first place. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

SouthAussie said: ↑
Sounds to me that could be the 5 POIs/suspects that were scheduled to appear at the inquest.

Spedding
Donohoe
Owen
Abbott
Jones

PS??

Earlier, sometime prior to the inquest starting, media was going crazy reporting that police were looking forward to hearing testimony from one of the POIs in this case, one who had never been named in media before. And they were saying '4 suspects' and '1 POI'. At the time, people here were thinking: BS, TJ, PB, the other 'religious' pedo (sorry can't remember his name right now).. and then one we didn't know at the time.. which I believe turned out to be PS. But then closer to the time, I think, they started saying there would be a few so-far-unnamed POIs... so the talk on this thread may have been wrong (or the media wrong in leading people to surmise the above POIs) about the 'who's who'. Is it possible things (POIs) changed after the coroner received the brief of evidence? Because it seems like neither PB or the other guy aren't even being called to testify? Just guessing.

Detectives have identified four 'high priority' suspects and one 'person of interest', who are being closely examined as part of their investigation.

'Vital clue' and five 'high-priority suspects': William Tyrrell search | Daily Mail Online

 

[Thebottomline]

SouthAussie said: ↑
Sounds to me that could be the 5 POIs/suspects that were scheduled to appear at the inquest.

Spedding
Donohoe
Owen
Abbott
Jones

Earlier, sometime prior to the inquest starting, media was going crazy reporting that police were looking forward to hearing testimony from one of the POIs in this case, one who had never been named in media before. And they were saying '4 suspects' and '1 POI'. At the time, people here were thinking: BS, TJ, PB, the other 'religious' pedo (sorry can't remember his name right now).. and then one we didn't know at the time.. which I believe turned out to be PS. But then closer to the time, I think, they started saying there would be a few so-far-unnamed POIs... so the talk on this thread may have been wrong (or the media wrong in leading people to surmise the above POIs) about the 'who's who'. Is it possible things (POIs) changed after the coroner received the brief of evidence? Because it seems like neither PB or the other guy aren't even being called to testify? Just guessing.

Detectives have identified four 'high priority' suspects and one 'person of interest', who are being closely examined as part of their investigation.

'Vital clue' and five 'high-priority suspects': William Tyrrell search | Daily Mail Online

I think it was RD. PS had previously been named in media . Not as a poi but had been named. Could have been Abbott or Owens as the unnamed too

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it was RD. PS had previously been named in media . Not as a poi but had been named. Could have been Abbott or Owens as the unnamed too

I think it is possible that the POIs had changed a bit since the news reports in early July 2018.

It seems that we may have 6 potential POIs now.

 

[SLouTh]

Unless some sensational or tangible forensic evidence related to William has come out in closed court, or has been found in the latest search...
Then we could be down to

Owen - association with Abbott

Abbott - seems too easy... and they have locked him up while investigating Williams disappearance... but a distinct possibility given his past history.... but as yet, no evidence to place him there... (not in the public inquest - perhaps in the closed court or suppressed there may be evidence... )

Donahue - would he be smart enough to hide William for this long??? agree he his strange...

Jones... a possibility but hasn’t fronted the inquest as yet.... (saving the best for last???)

Spedding- his lawyer has left the inquest with Harriet Graham’s permission and now lodging a case against Police ... so effectively now ruled out of Tyrrell investigation as POI ... even though some persons here may not be convinced..

Savage - as the alleged illegally recorded tapes pertain to him, with the poisoned evidence argument supplied by Cleaver he is probably out of contention as well...
If the Police are relying on Savage being a witness to something ?? Then possibly that evidence against another POI is also now contaminated?

So possibly and MOO we could be down to just
4 Potential POIs ....
And so far we haven’t heard anything too damning ( specifically related to William) about any of them from the public inquest....,

Let’s hope thing are progressing better behind closed doors ....

And just a hypothetical.... if the person that took William has no paedofile link.... then none of the above potential POIs fit....

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Was just thinking, there are actually 7 potential POIs.

There is also the woman in the land cruiser.

Owen, Abbott, Donohoe, Savage, Spedding, Jones, Land Cruiser Lady


I wonder if the parents have any strong gut feelings about any of the potential POIs appearing at the inquest.
Sometimes parents just 'know'.
The Morcombes said that they just 'knew' that Brett Cowan took Daniel, when they were at Daniel's inquest.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Spedding- his lawyer has left the inquest with Harriet Graham’s permission and now lodging a case against Police ... so effectively now ruled out of Tyrrell investigation as POI ... even though some persons here may not be convinced..

Based on the limited questions asked of BS at the inquest, the seemingly obscure questions asked of other witnesses by O’Brien, the withdrawal from the ongoing inquest, the immediate lodgement of proceedings against NSWPOL and some media referring to BS a an ex-POI (likely to cover their a#$&s), I think BS has been eliminated as a POI.

 

[SLouTh]

Based on the limited questions asked of BS at the inquest, the seemingly obscure questions asked of other witnesses by O’Brien, the withdrawal from the ongoing inquest, the immediate lodgement of proceedings against NSWPOL and some media referring to BS a an ex-POI (likely to cover their a#$&s), I think BS has been eliminated as a POI.

Well if a criminal lawyer can eliminate BS from the list... then that’s good enough for me!

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Well if a criminal lawyer can eliminate BS from the list... then that’s good enough for me!

It’s only my opinion, based on things said and done by his lawyer.

 

[they'll get you]

Well if a criminal lawyer can eliminate BS from the list... then that’s good enough for me!

A lawyer saying that is not good enough for me.
It could be possible but not gospel yet.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yep, let's not get ahead of ourselves, as a friend of mine says.

 

[SouthAussie]

It’s only my opinion, based on things said and done by his lawyer.

What is your opinion on Paul Savage? That is if you are up on both the March and August segments of the inquest.
Debating Spedding's POI status seems non-productive.

Paul Savage's three days on the stand is a lot of attention. Recorded four times by Jubes - also a lot of attention (and risk to Jubes' liberty and life, apparently).

The questions that were asked of and about Paul Savage seem that they consider he may be much more than an innocent bystander, to me.

 

[interested64]

Oh yes, how on earth did I forget him??

yes out of that list i like to to find out if any of them knew each other ?