Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[SouthAussie]

It is up to law enforcement to find out what happened to WT, and far as i'm aware they have been doing that. Let the investigators do their job.
You can blame the media for the Spedding coverage.

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This is William's thread. I agree to disagree with you.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...e-questions-than-answers-20190829-p52m5q.html

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM: I feel the same way. When did this thread become about defending Spedding, instead of looking at who could have been responsible for the disappearance of William??

It could have been any of the POIs at the inquest. Let's investigate them all. Poor William.

Thank you SA for bringing the focus back.

 

[they'll get you]

IMO it wont be long before the story can be told

Hopefully by then nobody will care.

 

[they'll get you]

Maybe Col advised him to do it? Whatever, it sure didn’t do his cause any good. IMO.

Ol’ Col the-knock-about-gun-barrel-kinda-guy story teller was a constant source of entertainment.

My bucket list is to have a yarn with Ol’ Col and Russell Coight about Marg’s encounter with psychics.

 

[Karinna]

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This is William's thread. I agree to disagree with you.


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https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...e-questions-than-answers-20190829-p52m5q.html

I'm well aware of that thanks. It's WT's thread and all things that pertain to who is responsible for whatever happened to him? And far as i'm aware we can discuss any POI's that are named in msm by LE.

 

[Georgy]

Link please? And exactly what story? Is it related to William?

In my opinion as quoted was referring to BS story..

 

[SouthAussie]

I was encouraged to notice in an article that Supt Fehon was one of the two officers who led the hunt for Malcolm Naden.

If still in the area, hopefully he still has and always will have one eye open for any further clues about William's disappearance.


Supt Fehon has a reputation for leaving no rock unturned.
He, with another superintendent, led the manhunt for former fugitive Malcolm Naden — the longest and largest in Australia.

Ms Kotz says 85 per cent of missing persons were found in one to two days, 95 per cent within a week and 97.5 per cent within a year.
WHILE the likelihood of finding a missing person diminishes as time goes on, families forever hold on to hope, Ms Kotz says.
Category: | Herald Sun

 

[Cleaver Greene]

The first case as we all know was in an era when these things weren’t spoken about. The case wasn’t pursued due to the sensitive age of the 2 innocent young girls involved. Those links have been posted over and over.

Sex Crimes against children should not be tolerated in any way, shape or form, no matter who the perpetrator.

It truly amazes me that the indefensible can be defended. IMO

I feel that the last sentence was a personal attack on me so I will address it. I am in no way defending or tolerating sex crimes against children or adults.

I believe that victims tell their own truth. Only very rarely do victims lie. Only once have I ever known of a child victim to lie, and that was in circumstances when she had been subjected to terrible abuse in the past, was in the foster system and she learned that if she made an allegation of abuse, she would be removed from the family she was with. It became a pattern when she was unhappy with a parenting decision. Very sad case.

It is common for young children’s memories to change, especially when adults continue to reinforce a memory. It’s not uncommon for abused children to remember their offender as a different person to the abuser, particularly when an adult leads the discussion and says to the child “It was X, wasn’t it”. Sometimes children will agree because they have been threatened by the offender, or because if they agree, the questions will stop. The more the story is enforced, the more the memory is enforced until it becomes the entrenched memory which becomes their truth.

I prosecuted literally hundreds of cases of child sex abuse. It’s hard and very rarely rewarding work. The scenario I’ve given above is not common, but it happens often enough. We can’t send innocent people to jail. We just can’t.

I don’t defend sex offences. While I believe that every defendant is entitled to the best possible defence, I choose to leave that to other lawyers to do. Everyone is traumatised. I don’t know a single lawyer who enjoys cross examining a victim. Even prosecuting sex offences was gut wrenching. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and to have their case presented by a competent lawyer.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I feel that the last sentence was a personal attack on me so I will address it. I am in no way defending or tolerating sex crimes against children or adults.

I believe that victims tell their own truth. Only very rarely do victims lie. Only once have I ever known of a child victim to lie, and that was in circumstances when she had been subjected to terrible abuse in the past, was in the foster system and she learned that if she made an allegation of abuse, she would be removed from the family she was with. It became a pattern when she was unhappy with a parenting decision. Very sad case.

It is common for young children’s memories to change, especially when adults continue to reinforce a memory. It’s not uncommon for abused children to remember their offender as a different person to the abuser, particularly when an adult leads the discussion and says to the child “It was X, wasn’t it”. Sometimes children will agree because they have been threatened by the offender, or because if they agree, the questions will stop. The more the story is enforced, the more the memory is enforced until it becomes the entrenched memory which becomes their truth.

I prosecuted literally hundreds of cases of child sex abuse. It’s hard and very rarely rewarding work. The scenario I’ve given above is not common, but it happens often enough. We can’t send innocent people to jail. We just can’t.

I don’t defend sex offences. While I believe that every defendant is entitled to the best possible defence, I choose to leave that to other lawyers to do. Everyone is traumatised. I don’t know a single lawyer who enjoys cross examining a victim. Even prosecuting sex offences was gut wrenching. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and to have their case presented by a competent lawyer.

No, you have misread it. It was actually a personal attack on whoever took William. And anyone who assaults and harms children in any way.

 

[SouthAussie]

No, you have misread it. It was actually a personal attack on whoever took William. And anyone who assaults and harms children in any way.

Well, there sure are enough of that type of person being looked at by the police and during the inquest.

And although we have not heard of anything in that regard for Paul Savage or Geoff Owen, I wonder if the police know otherwise.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Well, there sure are enough of that type of person being looked at by the police and during the inquest.

And although we have not heard of anything in that regard for Paul Savage or Geoff Owen, I wonder if the police know otherwise.

Often at inquests a lot of information is not publicly disclosed, which might explain why lines of questioning that we consider relevant aren’t pursued. There might be agreed facts, or statements of various witnesses tendered, with supplementary questions asked on topics that weren’t covered in statements or interviews.

Criminal histories of POI would be tendered. I doubt that there would be any cross examination on those because they speak for themselves. If, however, a person in the stand denied that they had a criminal history, then that would suddenly open up a line of questioning about why they denied their criminal history.

 

[SouthAussie]

Often at inquests a lot of information is not publicly disclosed, which might explain why lines of questioning that we consider relevant aren’t pursued. There might be agreed facts, or statements of various witnesses tendered, with supplementary questions asked on topics that weren’t covered in statements or interviews.

Yes. I have been paying attention to the times they closed the court. Paul Savage had almost 1½ hours of closed court testimony. Geoff Owen has not yet completed his testimony, and it may be that some of that will be in closed court.

Of course, there is no way to tell what was going on during the closed court sessions. But if child sex offences are up for discussion, it would make sense that they close the court.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Yes. I have been paying attention to the times they closed the court. Paul Savage had almost 1½ hours of closed court testimony. Geoff Owen has not yet completed his testimony, and it may be that some of that will be in closed court.

Of course, there is no way to tell what was going on during the closed court sessions. But if child sex offences are up for discussion, it would make sense that they close the court.

Yep. That would make sense.

I’m not sure why sometimes a decision is made to close the court and sometimes there is just a suppression order over the evidence. To those who were at the inquest when the court was closed, were journalists kicked out as well? Or was it just the public?

 

[Ms Kite]

Yes. I have been paying attention to the times they closed the court. Paul Savage had almost 1½ hours of closed court testimony. Geoff Owen has not yet completed his testimony, and it may be that some of that will be in closed court.

Of course, there is no way to tell what was going on during the closed court sessions. But if child sex offences are up for discussion, it would make sense that they close the court.

Is it possible that the court was closed to discuss evidence related to the "illegal" recordings?

 

[SouthAussie]

Yep. That would make sense.

I’m not sure why sometimes a decision is made to close the court and sometimes there is just a suppression order over the evidence. To those who were at the inquest when the court was closed, were journalists kicked out as well? Or was it just the public?

I wasn't at the inquest ... but journo Lia Harris indicated that they were asked to leave. Other lawyers, too, from what I have heard. Only the witness' lawyer was allowed to remain.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is it possible that the court was closed to discuss evidence related to the "illegal" recordings?

Yes, that is also possible. And who knows what the content of those calls was about. Something we are not allowed to know yet, despite NSWPOL putting Jubes' name out there very quickly as being charged with that 'offense' (yet to be determined).

 

[interested64]

I feel that the last sentence was a personal attack on me so I will address it. I am in no way defending or tolerating sex crimes against children or adults.

I believe that victims tell their own truth. Only very rarely do victims lie. Only once have I ever known of a child victim to lie, and that was in circumstances when she had been subjected to terrible abuse in the past, was in the foster system and she learned that if she made an allegation of abuse, she would be removed from the family she was with. It became a pattern when she was unhappy with a parenting decision. Very sad case.

It is common for young children’s memories to change, especially when adults continue to reinforce a memory. It’s not uncommon for abused children to remember their offender as a different person to the abuser, particularly when an adult leads the discussion and says to the child “It was X, wasn’t it”. Sometimes children will agree because they have been threatened by the offender, or because if they agree, the questions will stop. The more the story is enforced, the more the memory is enforced until it becomes the entrenched memory which becomes their truth.

I prosecuted literally hundreds of cases of child sex abuse. It’s hard and very rarely rewarding work. The scenario I’ve given above is not common, but it happens often enough. We can’t send innocent people to jail. We just can’t.

I don’t defend sex offences. While I believe that every defendant is entitled to the best possible defence, I choose to leave that to other lawyers to do. Everyone is traumatised. I don’t know a single lawyer who enjoys cross examining a victim. Even prosecuting sex offences was gut wrenching. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and to have their case presented by a competent lawyer.

Yes not a job i would like..eek

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Is it possible that the court was closed to discuss evidence related to the "illegal" recordings?

Yep. That’s entirely possible and would be a good reason to close the court, rather than just make a suppression order.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes not a job i would like..eek

A member who used to be on WS was a child psychologist and had to leave the job because the sex offences against young children and the counselling of those children became too much to carry.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Yes not a job i would like..eek

It’s a calling. There is a very high burnout rate amongst prosecutors and the profession is riddled with mental health issues. It’s the same with police. One of my good friends has been a sex crime detective for 20 years. I don’t know how they do it.