Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[Thebottomline]

I only mentioned it as a possibility because of the way he came across when questioned at the Inquest. And the Coroner noticed too didn't she?

Did she ?

 

[Karinna]

yes and probably more timid when out of his normal boundaries.

Well MFC did say he might wander. That is why i said a 3 year old can be very unpredictable.

 

[Karinna]

Did she ?

IIRC, something was mentioned at the Inquest from what i have read. It's probably upthread somewhere.

 

[Thebottomline]

Well MFC did say he might wander. That is why i said a 3 year old can be very unpredictable.

Did MFC say that ?

 

[Warshawski]

When was the recanvassing questionnaire? (I understand from the article Stormbird linked that Beacroft joined the investigation in late 2015.)

As a dummie myself, I found this rather interesting :

Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies

As I read, I wondered if Laura B is also a psycologist ?
Also wondered about what led to HER being given the posting to William's investigation relatively early (2015 now seems early in the scheme of things !) the fact she has a background in child sex crimes & apparently ? Criminal profiling

 

[Karinna]

Did MFC say that ?

‘William Tyrrell’ disappearance was the direct result of human intervention’

 

[Warshawski]

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Also asked in the questionnaire - "and whether they, or others in their home, helped in the search ...."
'Boy in Spiderman suit' seen in car the day William Tyrrell abducted

Have you seen the questionnaire SA, or am I misinterpreting your post - my apologies if that's the case

 

[Thebottomline]

‘William Tyrrell’ disappearance was the direct result of human intervention’

He says William wasn’t a wanderer
In a police video played to the inquest, from the backyard of the property, William's foster father told an officer: "He never wanders. He's not a wanderer."

 

[Ms Kite]

I personally can’t understand why he hasn’t had the full range of tests attended prior to attending inquest .. perhaps the Coroner has now ordered for this to happen ??? (there was a period of closed court)

He does actually fit more criteria than just his age ... he only needs to fit two criteria to be considered to have early dementia ... and in my professional opinion he fits many more than 2 ...
( see article linked below )

He also has family members living with him now ... this doesn’t usually happen until the person requires a carer for safety..

10 Early Symptoms of Dementia: Be Aware of Subtle Signs

However, even though I have tried to explain the symptoms of dementia ....
I agree with other posters here that possibly we should take it off the table of discussion??
JMO...

I recognise what you are saying SLouTH... He could well have dementia but I'm also wondering if his behavior could fit the classification of "sneaky complex offender"?

I'm also curious to know if he has had other run ins with the law - in addition to the stalking of the post lady. I'm not sure that we see the full picture with him.

"It’s believed he has previously been questioned by the strike force about his history with police, including the alleged stalking, but he was not questioned about the incidents in open court."
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

 

[Thebottomline]

I recognise what you are saying SLouTH... He could well have dementia but I'm also wondering if his behavior could fit the classification of "sneaky complex offender"?

I'm also curious to know if he has had other run ins with the law - in addition to the stalking of the post lady. I'm not sure that we see the full picture with him.

"It’s believed he has previously been questioned by the strike force about his history with police, including the alleged stalking, but he was not questioned about the incidents in open court."
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

I’m responding to slouth here, sorry to jump on your post. Where is it said PS has not had tests etc relating to dementia ?

 

[JWSleuth]

I recognise what you are saying SLouTH... He could well have dementia but I'm also wondering if his behavior could fit the classification of "sneaky complex offender"?

I'm also curious to know if he has had other run ins with the law - in addition to the stalking of the post lady. I'm not sure that we see the full picture with him.

"It’s believed he has previously been questioned by the strike force about his history with police, including the alleged stalking, but he was not questioned about the incidents in open court."
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

I think "sneaky complex offender" is RD in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I recognise what you are saying SLouTH... He could well have dementia but I'm also wondering if his behavior could fit the classification of "sneaky complex offender"?

I'm also curious to know if he has had other run ins with the law - in addition to the stalking of the post lady. I'm not sure that we see the full picture with him.

"It’s believed he has previously been questioned by the strike force about his history with police, including the alleged stalking, but he was not questioned about the incidents in open court."
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

Did he have to answer the question again, if he would know BS? I remember his first answer "as far as I know, I don't" (or quite similar).

 

[SouthAussie]

As a dummie myself, I found this rather interesting :

Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies

As I read, I wondered if Laura B is also a psycologist ?
Also wondered about what led to HER being given the posting to William's investigation relatively early (2015 now seems early in the scheme of things !) the fact she has a background in child sex crimes & apparently ? Criminal profiling

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Laura Beacroft is a police forensic profiler.


NSW Police forensic profiler in the case, Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft, told the inquest into the three-year-old’s 2014 disappearance she concluded from the finds that William had been “taken away” from the area.
Bones, speargun found in Tyrrell search

 

[Warshawski]

Must be two cars that went up the street and turned around. One at 9am and one at 10:05am - a green/greyish car at 9am, and a 4WD (?) at 10:05am.

There was also another vehicle described as a dark green/greyish coloured sedan police are interested in.
The vehicle drove past Benaroon Drive as William was riding his bike on the driveway around 9am and performed a u-turn.
William Tyrrell: Police seek information on two cars | audio,


Peter and Sharelle Crabb, who lived at 51 Benaroon Drive at the time, heard the sound of a vehicle

It had been a cold day and the windows and doors at 51 Benaroon Drive were closed when Sharelle Crabb said to Sgt Beacroft: “Listen, do you hear anything?”
When Sgt Beacroft did listen, she then “heard the sound of a car coming up Benaroon Drive”, although she hadn’t heard it when Mrs Crabb did “two to three seconds before I did”.
William Tyrrell inquest: Neighbour saw a child wearing a Spider-Man suit

I grew up in the country. Silence surrounded me. . so my ears were highly attuned to a different sound. IMO the Crabb family are a good example of that.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think "sneaky complex offender" is RD in my opinion.

... and PS might be an offender, who worked together with some mates and doesn't know, what to answer without betraying one of the group and himself. Maybe, in his younger years that wasn't a big problem, but now - elderly and under pressure like never before - it is. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Have you seen the questionnaire SA, or am I misinterpreting your post - my apologies if that's the case

No, I haven't seen it, Warsh. But there are a couple of articles about it. They have a few different details between them. They also asked in the questionnaire the names of every tradesperson who may have worked at people's houses in a one year period (just mentioning that because it hasn't been mentioned here recently).

 

[Karinna]

He says William wasn’t a wanderer
In a police video played to the inquest, from the backyard of the property, William's foster father told an officer: "He never wanders. He's not a wanderer."

He never wanders as stated by MFC. But then he says
(quote)
He told the inquest the boy knew the sound of his voice and he was hoping to find him "quickly" if he came close.

He looked under houses, external fences, pits, drains and sheds.

"Everything, everywhere he might have gone," he said.

https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/willi...ys-he-searched-everywhere-for-the-boy-c-26304

 

[SouthAussie]

It may be worth it to note that Laura Beacroft was also previously looking to establish the route through the Kendall State Forest that led away from FGM's area.



Sgt Beacroft was seconded to Strike Force Rosann and conducted the four-week “forensic search” of the immediate area and of surrounding fire trails and tracks.
She told the inquest she was looking to establish that “if William was taken, whether it was someone on foot or in a vehicle, and the route within the Kendall State Forest to move from that area”.
Bones, speargun found in Tyrrell search

 

[Warshawski]

Could be related to this:

"The day William went missing, a woman knocked on Mr Savage's door to raise the alarm.

At the time, neighbours told police they heard the foster father screaming out his son's name as he ran around the property in a panic.

But on Thursday Mr Savage told Counsel Assisting Gerard Craddock he heard nothing that morning.

"You didn't hear anyone calling out for William?" Mr Craddock asked.

"No I didn't," Mr Savage replied.

In his police statement, Mr Savage said he saw the foster father "crying and upset", but when asked about it on Thursday, he said "I don't remember that".

Mr Savage also recalled speaking to neighbours about the missing boy despite them not remembering those exchanges, the inquest was told.

He then claimed he began searching for the missing boy."

Key witness changes his story at William Tyrrell inquest

Perhaps he's playing the dementia card ? Who knows ?

If we did, imo this dreadful situation would be solved.

 

[interested64]

More than happy to be incorrect... it was just a hypothetical scenario .... that seems to fit with the new times suggested ...
I would have to go back to that floor plan photo to check .... I’m not terribly good at direction.... so will take your word on the view...

its not really word i just remember seeing a photo taken from that angle by the media,ill see if i can find it