Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #47

[Georgy]

Replying to Georgy post 15453552 which nothing was said.

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Oh sorry i tried to post the original question asked by cleaver and then dr sleuths response

 

[Georgy]

No, as per my post you replied to Drsleuth's post and it didn't mention suppression at all.

Dr may have been replying to Cleavers post, but still supression wasn't mentioned in her reply to them - you mentioned it.

Not going to say anymore about this - it's ridiculous IMO

Yes ridiculous all right IMO also.
Ok Dr didnt mention the word

 

[drsleuth]

Were there times that the public had to leave but the media were allowed to remain?

Sometimes if evidence is suppressed, the media are allowed to stay in court under threat of contempt if they publish suppressed information. If the public are allowed to hear that evidence, then the court has no control over whether it is “published”.

I guess what I’m wondering is how the media were able to publish the time stamp application if it was never mentioned in open court.

No. My guess is that the Australian journo ( CO ) got the information from the Bio family or their "advocates" who seemed to have access to parts of the brief & were obviously disclosing information to her.

The questions were asked by Cleaver in regards to suppressed info initially.
Dr sleuth then responded..yes go back and look

Ok seemed like you answered cleavers question about "suppressed info" whether media and public were allowed to stay in the courtroom to hear..and you answered by saying the associates or bf may have given it to CO..maybe i have misunderstood somewhere?

No where did I mention suppressed info.

That's all I have t say on it.

 

[Georgy]

No where did I mention suppressed info.

That's all I have t say on it.

Ok you called it "info" i see..

 

[Warshawski]

Evil under the radar: How 170 convicted paedophiles are roaming free in an Australian town - with just ONE police officer to keep an eye on all of them

Thousands of Queensland paedophiles are roaming free with minimal police supervision | Daily Mail Online

This is absolutely shocking Australia needs to get tough on these monsters ASAP.

Thanks GregJ. So often I wish their was an alternate response because 'liking this' doesn't work for me. .. and there's the conflict because I do want to acknowledge your input, your sleuthing etc.

However this is an appalling topic, an even more appalling statistics.

Someone please give me a sound reason why those who are known to prey upon, to use & abuse for their own debauched & self-absorbed reasons, to destroy the lives of our young people - should at any stage be allowed to freely populate our communities.

Please tell me because I can't find any reason - one police officer - what a joke.
IMO they should never be released to main stream - and don't get me started on 'the rights for prisoners' ( you gave'm up mate when you betrayed our very basic values )

 

[SLouTh]

I guess what I’m wondering is how the media were able to publish the time stamp application if it was never mentioned in open court.

This article states the application was made before the court adjourned...,

Mystery over last photo of William Tyrrell

 

[Karinna]

Thanks GregJ. So often I wish their was an alternate response because 'liking this' doesn't work for me. .. and there's the conflict because I do want to acknowledge your input, your sleuthing etc.

However this is an appalling topic, an even more appalling statistics.

Someone please give me a sound reason why those who are known to prey upon, to use & abuse for their own debauched & self-absorbed reasons, to destroy the lives of our young people - should at any stage be allowed to freely populate our communities.

Please tell me because I can't find any reason - one police officer - what a joke.
IMO they should never be released to main stream - and don't get me started on 'the rights for prisoners' ( you gave'm up mate when you betrayed our very basic values )

I agree, anyone that violates particularly the vulnerability of the young and the elderly in any way at all has no place in mainstream society. They need to be ousted altogether.
It is a terrible subject that we shouldn't even have to discuss if we had zero tolerance for it, and never allowed it in the first place.
Indigenous people's in the America's had the right idea. Anyone that interfered with a child in tribal society was put to death.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks GregJ. So often I wish their was an alternate response because 'liking this' doesn't work for me. .. and there's the conflict because I do want to acknowledge your input, your sleuthing etc.

However this is an appalling topic, an even more appalling statistics.

Someone please give me a sound reason why those who are known to prey upon, to use & abuse for their own debauched & self-absorbed reasons, to destroy the lives of our young people - should at any stage be allowed to freely populate our communities.

Please tell me because I can't find any reason - one police officer - what a joke.
IMO they should never be released to main stream - and don't get me started on 'the rights for prisoners' ( you gave'm up mate when you betrayed our very basic values )

Could be something to do with the fact that high up legals have been known to be supportive of pedos.

District Court Judge Garry Neilson was recorded as saying that sexual contact between adults and children or siblings may no longer be regarded by society as “unnatural” or “taboo.”
Outrage as Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society

A FAMILY Court judge has granted custody of four children to their father - a convicted pedophile and rapist.
No Cookies | The Advertiser

Western Australia's attorney general has defended a judge's decision to release into the community a pedophile who once told a psychologist he had could have defiled up to 1000 children, but later recanted.
The man was in 2009 convicted of 21 offences against six female victims aged three to 11, and sentenced to 10 years behind bars and declared a dangerous sex offender.
Pedophile 'can't be jailed forever': WA AG

 

[Karinna]

Could be something to do with the fact that high up legals have been known to be supportive of pedos.

District Court Judge Garry Neilson was recorded as saying that sexual contact between adults and children or siblings may no longer be regarded by society as “unnatural” or “taboo.”
Outrage as Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society

A FAMILY Court judge has granted custody of four children to their father - a convicted pedophile and rapist.
No Cookies | The Advertiser

Western Australia's attorney general has defended a judge's decision to release into the community a pedophile who once told a psychologist he had could have defiled up to 1000 children, but later recanted.
The man was in 2009 convicted of 21 offences against six female victims aged three to 11, and sentenced to 10 years behind bars and declared a dangerous sex offender.
Pedophile 'can't be jailed forever': WA AG

BBM, Yeah that's a big part of the problem IMO. Now i wonder why they would do that? Hmm let me guess,

 

[Warshawski]

I am in no way defending paedophiles and every one of them is one too many ....,

However ... Townsville is not a small town like Kendall... Townsville has a population of approx 190,000 persons ... so yes 170 is a great many (and too many) but actually a small percentage of that population ..

Also demographics suggest that Towns and Cities where there is Jail in close proximity, (Townsville has Stuart Creek Prison ) have a higher percentage of released prisoners residing close by ... unfortunately...

I understand the demographics SLeuTh, especially in this situation as I'm a proud Q lander.

However I've no tolerance for any % of these perpretators being allowed to populate our society.

IMO they destroy forever the future of our young people by acting out their debauchted & inhumane self-indulgent whims - why would we ever condone that ?

IMO they should be incarcerated forever - and don't get me started on 'prisoner rights' ( you gave'm up mate when you became you became a ....... )

I'll get off my soap box ( but will get back on if I knew anyone here has powers to influence ?)

God bless William, his family, his investigative team & us

 

[Georgy]

1.The bf have a copy of the brief.
2. They’ve obviously shared it with a group of women who are alleged supporters, supporters who’s behaviour was so unacceptable and disruptive that they drew glares from Ms Grahame.
3. Since CO was seen in intense conversation with them, there’s speculation she might have been given access to it.
4. Is this breaking the law? (I don’t know, but even if it’s not it seems a very biased way of operating).
5. We don’t know what was discussed in closed court ( unless you have insider information which past posts seem to indicate) so can’t answer your question.
All IMO.

Closed court is suppressed information..no media and no public.
The brief is not suppressed, although the statements made by some would be IMO Not too sure who is and who isnt allowed to see or know what they contain..CO has been around since day dot with this case and good on her for taking part in intense conversation with the bio family..i dont know what bias you are speaking of?

 

[SouthAussie]

Closed court is suppressed information..no media and no public.
The brief is not suppressed, although the statements made by some would be IMO Not too sure who is and who isnt allowed to see or know what they contain..CO has been around since day dot with this case and good on her for taking part in intense conversation with the bio family..i dont know what bias you are speaking of?

BBM: As per my post on the previous page (#1311), the police brief is a carefully controlled document. As are all of the coronial documents.
The info contained in these documents should not be shared around, shown to other people, without the Coroner's say-so.

I am not sure how the Coroner puts the control on the parts of the police brief that she gives to family and interested parties, but I would imagine they have to sign off that they understand it is a controlled private document ... or some other method similar to that. The lawyers who have access to the document would know that it is private and controlled without being told.

 

[SLouTh]

I understand the demographics SLeuTh, especially in this situation as I'm a proud Q lander.

However I've no tolerance for any % of these perpretators being allowed to populate our society.

IMO they destroy forever the future of our young people by acting out their debauchted & inhumane self-indulgent whims - why would we ever condone that ?

IMO they should be incarcerated forever - and don't get me started on 'prisoner rights' ( you gave'm up mate when you became you became a ....... )

I'll get off my soap box ( but will get back on if I knew anyone here has powers to influence ?)

God bless William, his family, his investigative team & us

I am hearing you War...

All paedophiles aboard that first flight to Mars.... you know the one way journey .... with no return flight... and let them be self sufficient when they get there..,,, Ha ha sending them all there would be a great idea... with no coming back !

 

[Georgy]

1.The bf have a copy of the brief.
2. They’ve obviously shared it with a group of women who are alleged supporters, supporters who’s behaviour was so unacceptable and disruptive that they drew glares from Ms Grahame.
3. Since CO was seen in intense conversation with them, there’s speculation she might have been given access to it.
4. Is this breaking the law? (I don’t know, but even if it’s not it seems a very biased way of operating).
5. We don’t know what was discussed in closed court ( unless you have insider information which past posts seem to indicate) so can’t answer your question.
All IMO.

And whats this about they drew glares from Ms Grahame? Where'd that come from? Coroner scoped the whole room and remained very poker faced throughout! I must have missed that, and i was also sitting very near these ladies and there was no such thing happen..and that is definately my opinion

 

[Georgy]

I am hearing you War...

All paedophiles aboard that first flight to Mars.... you know the one way journey .... with no return flight... and let them be self sufficient when they get there..,,, Ha ha sending them all there would be a great idea... with no coming back !

Why not an Island in the middle of nowhere and let them all try to outsurvive one another..like they did to human beings with leprosy because they didnt know what else to do with them

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Closed court is suppressed information..no media and no public.
The brief is not suppressed, although the statements made by some would be IMO Not too sure who is and who isnt allowed to see or know what they contain..CO has been around since day dot with this case and good on her for taking part in intense conversation with the bio family..i dont know what bias you are speaking of?

Just to clear up possible confusion, evidence can be suppressed in a few ways. If a court is closed, then obviously the evidence is suppressed. Only the people in the courtroom will ever have access to that information unless a judge later authorises release.

It can also be suppressed by legislation. Examples are names of the FF and BF. Names of some victims are suppressed, as are names of some defendants. Often the court is not closed when this is discussed in court, but the media are usually aware of reporting restrictions.

Sometimes a judge can suppress some evidence and can even suppress the reasons for suppression. Often the media are present when this happens. It is a contempt of court to publish suppressed information. Sometimes the public is removed but the media can remain. A recent example is when several media outlets published stories identifying Pell when his name was suppressed. These are the most likely suppression orders to be challenged by media.

I don’t know when a decision is made to close a court or just suppress the evidence. Suppression is often discretionary so different judges would make different decisions.

 

[Karinna]

I am hearing you War...

All paedophiles aboard that first flight to Mars.... you know the one way journey .... with no return flight... and let them be self sufficient when they get there..,,, Ha ha sending them all there would be a great idea... with no coming back !

Yeah they have the technology
Elon Musk hopes SpaceX's Starship will reach orbit in six months

 

[Ms Kite]

So... Are any of these "supporting women" or "advocates" blonde and plumpish by any chance?

 

[purpleandgreen]

And whats this about they drew glares from Ms Grahame? Where'd that come from? Coroner scoped the whole room and remained very poker faced throughout! I must have missed that, and i was also sitting very near these ladies and there was no such thing happen..and that is definately my opinion

With all due respect it’s back in the thread IMO by someone who was there everyday. And apologies to that poster if I’ve misinterpreted and am happy to be corrected. May not have happened on the ONE day that you said you were there, if I remember correctly. Apologies in advance if that is incorrect.

Might not have been on the day that the Spedding were on the stand.

 

[SouthAussie]

And whats this about they drew glares from Ms Grahame? Where'd that come from? Coroner scoped the whole room and remained very poker faced throughout! I must have missed that, and i was also sitting very near these ladies and there was no such thing happen..and that is definately my opinion

It was stated here by a member who attended the inquest every single day.