Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48

[Warshawski]

It seems that it was the person in the 'creepy house' that FGM alluded to. His home was searched 3 times in the first 24 hours, so it seems that police took her suspicions on board initially.

A close neighbour committing this crime makes the most sense of all. imo
And ranks highly when using the KISS principle - and the Occam's Razor philosophy.

Yep, it was the person in your described 'creepy house ' that I was alluding to SA. How has that person 'apparently' avoided any publicity, any dissecting of their actions, activities or being?
Given that (IMO) every one else mentioned has come under intense scrutiny ?
Could there be more to come ?
Is this person under a 'no go' radar?
So many questions - with no real answers so far . But I will advise those responsible to not get too comfortable. 30 year old crimes recently solved & perpretrator convicted; technology is such that your time will come so much quicker

 

[Warshawski]

Thanks for the link. Yes i get that PS had an order not to approach the female postal worker.
But my previous post was in regard to a theory purported here that the reason that maybe PS did something to WT was because he might have blamed FGM in some way for the AVO and being in cahoots with the female postal worker against him?
That was why i asked was FGM the actual neighbour the postal worker delivered mail to when PS approached her violating the AVO?

I'm just gobsmacked, beyond belief - can anyone think there's any level of equatable 'pay back' in this purported scenario ?

Note please - I'm making no inference to you for posting.

 

[Warshawski]

Does anyone know more about PS's reportedly loud radio?

Here's a Lia Harris tweet from the inquest at Taree in August, with thanks to @UndiscoveredTruth for posting it (thread #44, post #14):

"Craddock asked if he locked the house and turned the radio off when he went to speak to the foster grandmother. Mr <S> said he didn’t because he expected his brother in law and his wife to arrive sometime that day."
BBM

- If anyone saw PS's walk-through video at the inquest, and if the radio was left on during his re-enactment of the walk through the bush: how far away from the house could the radio noise be heard?
- Was it said whether the radio was adjusted during the phone calls: volume down, or radio turned off, etc?
- During the morning that William went missing, had PS been listening to the radio, or was it background noise? (If he could remember specific things in a public broadcast, it might have been used to fix times for the morning's events.)

I'm also intrigued Stormbird. It came up almost immediately in the investigation. ..I guess it may be 'out of the norm' for that street.

But To give Mr Savage his due - why can't he enjoy his radio / music / whatever at a volume that works best for him ?

I guess

 

[SouthAussie]

I have often from the beginning wondered why not a word had been said quoting FGM, and she has also not appeared at the Inquest - which to me is completely bizarre, considering she was one of only two adults present at the time.

RSBM

Do we know that FGM has not appeared at the inquest? As far as I am aware, there are at least 5 people who have been asked to appear and have been given pseudonyms and have appeared in closed court.


Not the exact link I was looking for, but a similar one ...
A handful of the 54 people on a draft witnesses list have been assigned pseudonyms and granted permission to give evidence before just the coroner, lawyers and court staff.
https://7news.com.au/news/court-jus...van-belonging-to-creepy-sex-offender-c-397102

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm just gobsmacked, beyond belief - can anyone think there's any level of equatable 'pay back' in this purported scenario ?

Note please - I'm making no inference to you for posting.

There is obviously something not right about any person who took William. Abducting a child is not a normal thing to do. Possibly murdering - or hiding a child for 5 years - is not a normal thing to do.

Lia said in one of her podcasts that the police were looking to see if people had any grievance against the FP.

We may find that William was taken for an extremely ludicrous reason. Whatever the reason was, it is doubtful that it will be anything that any clear-thinking person considers normal in any degree. imo

 

[drsleuth]

To me, I don't think it is fair to imply PS is a liar. It seems obvious to me that the man is in one stage or another of some type of dementia, and who knows how long it has been going on. I don't think it was fair to have even put him on the stand under the circumstances, and instead, they should have relied on his statements made at the time. Surely if there are questions *now* about any statements or actions he made at the time, police would have questioned him and his wife on them, also at the time? If not, why not? Surely five years ago would have been the time to do this, if he was a highly suspected POI?

I have often from the beginning wondered why not a word had been said quoting FGM, and she has also not appeared at the Inquest - which to me is completely bizarre, considering she was one of only two adults present at the time. Media at the time did not seem to publish a thing from her in the way of quotes or statements and there seemed to be nothing ever said about that. I have speculated in my head all along that the reason was because of the same type of issue, especially given her age at the time and it was said she had been convalescing from a recent surgery at the time, etc., which I know can throw older people 'off' in some cases in perhaps unexpected ways. I thought perhaps police and family were protective of her for that very reason, and not wanting her to start waves of gossip and speculation if she may have said something completely out in left field, or contradicting things, etc. I couldn't think of any other reason why she would have been completely left out of things the way that she has been, imo. We have since heard more recently that she did make statements to police, so I'm not so sure any more, since the things quoted seemed reasonable, but it seemed perfectly logical to me for a long time, and as I understand it, a person can kind of *float* (that's maybe not the right word?) in and out of dementia, it's not necessarily always the same level, ie someone may seem to be talking as normal, and then suddenly come out with a 'humdinger' to show they're not really with it at all.

I'm thinking it may have been charitable to have given PS perhaps the same consideration, unless there was something to show that he was perfectly lucid at all times except when being questioned, or there was some kind of evidence linking him to William or his abduction or something. All that has registered with me to date about him is that he may have heard the kids, his regular morning walk was longer than usual, he was home at the time W was said to have disappeared, his deck may have had a view of FGM's house, he dropped his personal plans during the hoopla on the street so he could help his neighbour out by searching, he had overnight houseguests arriving 2-3 hours after W's stated disappearance time, he seemed to be aware of the time his wife left for her regular Friday bingo hobby (which was almost the same time), and he cooperated with police numerous times allowing them impromptu searches of his home, and participating in interviews/statements. To me, that just isn't cutting it to place him as a prime suspect for kidnapping a toddler for god knows what reason.

All my own thoughts.

From hearing, watching & observing PS over 3 days at the inquest I really don't think he has any kind of dementia IMO

Surely his legal team would have bought that up & had a medical professional give expert evidence , even a statement from his GP .....

Sure his memory is not as good as it was 5 years ago , but he gave a statement very soon( 25/9/14) after WT went missing when events would have been fresh in his mind & he seemed to not want to rely on what he said in his statement . He also gave statements on the 16/3/16 & 16/8/17 ( reported to be a 4hr long video interview with GJ ) & his walk thru video on 12/9/17...........that's a lot of time spent with police talking about his movements IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

From hearing, watching & observing PS over 3 days at the inquest I really don't think he has any kind of dementia IMO

Surely his legal team would have bought that up & had a medical professional give expert evidence , even a statement from his GP .....

Sure his memory is not as good as it was 5 years ago , but he gave a statement very soon( 25/9/14) after WT went missing when events would have been fresh in his mind & he seemed to not want to rely on what he said in his statement . He also gave statements on the 16/3/16 & 16/8/17 ( reported to be a 4hr long video interview with GJ ) & his walk thru video on 12/9/17...........that's a lot of time spent with police talking about his movements IMO

Cleaver also mentioned in one of their posts that a person with any dementia would not be put on the stand in a court.

As well, stormyseas (I think it was) mentioned that they work in area of child sex offenders - and that any age imaginable (or something like that) has been convicted of harming a child.

 

[drsleuth]

Detective in William Tyrrell case made 'troubling' assertions to neighbour, inquest hears

Over the years, Mr Savage has been questioned by police several times and the ABC has been told he had his home searched by officers within the last year.

BBM: Home searched within the last year, first I've heard of that........

 

[SouthAussie]

Detective in William Tyrrell case made 'troubling' assertions to neighbour, inquest hears

Over the years, Mr Savage has been questioned by police several times and the ABC has been told he had his home searched by officers within the last year.

BBM: Home searched within the last year, first I've heard of that........

Yes, lots and lots of police and coronial attention applied to this person. I think they consider him to be on the list of potentially being 'more than a witness'.

 

[insanity]

Yes, lots and lots of police and coronial attention applied to this person. I think they consider him to be on the list of potentially being 'more than a witness'.

I'm thinking along the same lines.

 

[SouthAussie]

From what I’ve read William was bouncing with energy, both his FMC & FGM commented on it and IIRC FFC took him for a walk to take him mind off things.

Does anyone remember where William was when FFC and ‘Lindsay’ spotted the teal car which turned around?
Was that when he crashed his bike purposefully?

BBM


The next morning, William suggested racing on his new bike, riding on the path off the driveway.
“William rode his bike down that same footpath and deliberately crashed his bike into the garden,” the foster mother told police.
Around this time the foster mother saw a “dark green-grey sedan” drive up the street.
https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/5153a7edd5222a1f8e16c5f23b7d7bad

 

[Whàngarei]

BBM


The next morning, William suggested racing on his new bike, riding on the path off the driveway.
“William rode his bike down that same footpath and deliberately crashed his bike into the garden,” the foster mother told police.
Around this time the foster mother saw a “dark green-grey sedan” drive up the street.
William Tyrrell’s birth family felt under suspicion for five years

looks familiar far right check shirt .

 

[JLZ]

looks familiar far right check shirt .View attachment 208420

Possibly why the coroner asked the public for all photographs of the search . . . to establish where PS was throughout the day, given that his own accounts of himself show variation for one reason or another.

 

[Whàngarei]

I so wish others living in the street are named with pics. Have finally seen ams. Who knocked on ps door before police were called by ffc .

 

[JLZ]

C: "I'll see you when you get back" - what you meant is "I'll see you when I get back"

C: H 's habit to do a bit of shopping, coffee with friends & usually home around 13:30 - 14:00

Can I check something please DrSleuth? That second C, is that Craddock continuing after PS said nothing or nodded or whatever, or should that be PS's reply?

 

[drsleuth]

Can I check something please DrSleuth? That second C, is that Craddock continuing after PS said nothing or nodded or whatever, or should that be PS's reply?

It's Craddocks leading question JLZ after the other statement...........

 

[stormbird]

I'm also intrigued Stormbird. It came up almost immediately in the investigation. ..I guess it may be 'out of the norm' for that street.

But To give Mr Savage his due - why can't he enjoy his radio / music / whatever at a volume that works best for him ?

I guess

Warshawski,
When you say "It came up almost immediately in the investigation", are you talking about the coroner's investigation? (The only references to the radio that I've seen were in reports about the 2019 inquest hearings.) If you know of something earlier, that would be great to see - it might help explain how the radio or the radio noise is of any interest.

 

[Wexford]

Detective in William Tyrrell case made 'troubling' assertions to neighbour, inquest hears

Over the years, Mr Savage has been questioned by police several times and the ABC has been told he had his home searched by officers within the last year.

BBM: Home searched within the last year, first I've heard of that........

I wonder if that was related in any way to the June 2018 searches?

 

[JLZ]

C: Her car was in the carport. You went out with her & waved her off. Gravel driveway?

So he only went out as far as the carport, 40m from the road, when seeing H off?

C: What did you do after H left?

PS: I went back inside , had radio on, locked up house.

Does this mean he only put the radio on after H left? Then radio noise wouldn't have helped mask noise from the street while he was seeing H off.

Locking up because he was going away for a week, then ten/fifteen minutes later not locking up because brother-in-law and wife were coming . . . I can't make sense of that.

 

[bearbear]

the walkthrough interview sounds pretty full on, it would be quite intimidating having two police officers in your home throwing out questions years after an event, what did he put on his toast, what plate etc, who could remember that?
i feel he saw something rather than did something and could be why gj recorded his conversations, knowing he may lose his momory, or plead forgetful later on, especially if he was afraid of what he saw?
if this is police strategy, msm outing ps like they did bs, what would be the reason?

It shows Mr Savage being interrogated by two female detectives — the sixth time he was questioned about his knowledge of the three-year-old’s whereabouts.

Detective Sergeant Beacroft and another policewoman toured Mr Savage’s green laminex kitchen in the house he occupied, across the road from where William had vanished.

The detectives took Mr Savage through the minutiae of his morning, boiling water for his tea and making it in a green mug, making two slices of toast and serving it up on a green plate, and going outside to sit in the sunshine.
The questions came thick and fast.

Did he have his tea and toast before or after or in between his two phone calls to his brother Laurie? What did he talk to Laurie about? What did have on his toast?

The answers were that Mr Savage wasn’t sure, that he “had a yack … about ‘how are you goin’, goin’ alright … I’ll be up there at such and such a time’,” and “jam”.
William Tyrrell neighbour spent hours on walk-through with police