Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48

[Warshawski]

To me, I don't think it is fair to imply PS is a liar. It seems obvious to me that the man is in one stage or another of some type of dementia, and who knows how long it has been going on. I don't think it was fair to have even put him on the stand under the circumstances, and instead, they should have relied on his statements made at the time. Surely if there are questions *now* about any statements or actions he made at the time, police would have questioned him and his wife on them, also at the time? If not, why not? Surely five years ago would have been the time to do this, if he was a highly suspected POI?

I have often from the beginning wondered why not a word had been said quoting FGM, and she has also not appeared at the Inquest - which to me is completely bizarre, considering she was one of only two adults present at the time. Media at the time did not seem to publish a thing from her in the way of quotes or statements and there seemed to be nothing ever said about that. I have speculated in my head all along that the reason was because of the same type of issue, especially given her age at the time and it was said she had been convalescing from a recent surgery at the time, etc., which I know can throw older people 'off' in some cases in perhaps unexpected ways. I thought perhaps police and family were protective of her for that very reason, and not wanting her to start waves of gossip and speculation if she may have said something completely out in left field, or contradicting things, etc. I couldn't think of any other reason why she would have been completely left out of things the way that she has been, imo. We have since heard more recently that she did make statements to police, so I'm not so sure any more, since the things quoted seemed reasonable, but it seemed perfectly logical to me for a long time, and as I understand it, a person can kind of *float* (that's maybe not the right word?) in and out of dementia, it's not necessarily always the same level, ie someone may seem to be talking as normal, and then suddenly come out with a 'humdinger' to show they're not really with it at all.

I'm thinking it may have been charitable to have given PS perhaps the same consideration, unless there was something to show that he was perfectly lucid at all times except when being questioned, or there was some kind of evidence linking him to William or his abduction or something. All that has registered with me to date about him is that he may have heard the kids, his regular morning walk was longer than usual, he was home at the time W was said to have disappeared, his deck may have had a view of FGM's house, he dropped his personal plans during the hoopla on the street so he could help his neighbour out by searching, he had overnight houseguests arriving 2-3 hours after W's stated disappearance time, he seemed to be aware of the time his wife left for her regular Friday bingo hobby (which was almost the same time), and he cooperated with police numerous times allowing them impromptu searches of his home, and participating in interviews/statements. To me, that just isn't cutting it to place him as a prime suspect for kidnapping a toddler for god knows what reason.

All my own thoughts.

I hear you D - very well articulated

 

[SouthAussie]

Those ^^^ were the questions that made me curious about his grown son, who used to live on his property.

Surely if his son had been living there he would have been called to the inquest? In the same manner that Margaret was called to back up Spedding.

I think that might be an assumption based on the fact that his son was present one time when Savage spoke to some reporters?

 

[JLZ]

Those ^^^ were the questions that made me curious about his grown son, who used to live on his property.

If the questions weren't mere bullying, they cast a very poor light on the early searches.

 

[Warshawski]

Warshawski,
When you say "It came up almost immediately in the investigation", are you talking about the coroner's investigation? (The only references to the radio that I've seen were in reports about the 2019 inquest hearings.) If you know of something earlier, that would be great to see - it might help explain how the radio or the radio noise is of any interest.

I do apologise Stormbird, and all. My mind was on maybe even it was the TV playing & on the report of William. ... was that PS?

Thinking perhaps I was all mixed up & 'in the moment' of what came out at the first inquest session !

I'm sorry. I so wish for answers. A little child doesn't deserve anything like this horribleness.

 

[katydid23]

If the questions weren't mere bullying, they cast a very poor light on the early searches.

True, one would hope the searchers looked under that tin to see what was in the pit.

 

[SouthAussie]

Someone spoke a little earlier about FD saying that William would have thought it was an adventure and he would go for it (or words to that effect).

Just listening now to that part of the walkthrough ... what FD says is "Whilst initially he would go - oh, you know, adventure ... couldn't see him doing it".

At 36:49 in this podcast
One Last Roar

Also, worth a mention - on the very first day the police spoke of checking the sex offender registry for sex offenders living in Kendall.

 

[SouthAussie]

42:30 of podcast One Last Roar

Lia: Senior Constable Matthew Gates with his general purpose sniffer dog PD Gov .. they arrived about 2 hours after William disappeared. And Snr Const Gates later recalled in his official police statement why they had trouble tracking the scent.

“Upon my arrival I assessed the area, and found that tracking was impossible. This is due to the amount of time that had passed between William Tyrrell going missing and the time it took for me to travel to Kendall.
During my assessment of the area I was told that William Tyrrell was last seen at the rear of the house. The house is on the last culdesac which is bound by thick bushland, it sits on the top of a hill.
The easiest line of travel for a person leaving the house was downhill in an easterly direction.

I decided it would be most effective for me to begin a search of all the yards heading downhill, away from the house. This was also the direction of travel to the Kendall township which I believe to be the most likely place a child would walk.
I started searching all the rear yards heading in a easterly direction down Benaroon Drive. I was followed by two general duties police and several members of the public, who started a line search approximately 20 metres behind me.
PD Gov and I checked in the sheds, play equipment, garden or any other area a child might hide in. The police behind me spoke to any residents they could find, and checked any houses that were unlocked. They also double checked the areas PD Gov and I had searched.

When we got to the last house on the northern side of Benaroon Drive, we crossed to the southern side and began to search in the same way back up the hill towards the end of the culdesac. At no time had I located a scent for a starting point or track, no items of clothing or property relating to William Tyrrell were located during this search."


It was also mentioned by FM earlier on that she is not surprised the dog had trouble tracking William, she said that 10/20/30/40 people had tramped through the house and through the garden.
Lia confirmed (herself) that the house and garden were not cordoned off when she showed up at the location.
A police officer from the Daniel Morcombe case earlier said the house should have been cordoned off and only a corridor allowed for entry and exit. In William's case, the police even parked and set themselves up in the 2nd driveway.

 

[Blues Clues]

I am also curious about a question he was asked about 60 minutes tv show........

C : There was a 60 minutes show on 6/9/2015 about William, did you watch it?

PS: I can't say, I probably did.

Coroner : Do you watch 60 minute? Is it a show you watch?

PS : sometimes , yes

This was a lead in to PS statement where he said he'd seen 2 parked cars 2 days prior. The inference being that he didn't actually see two parked cars but had watched 60mins and there was a question of whether his siting was reality or imagined after watching 60mins. imo

 

[Karinna]

This was a lead in to PS statement where he said he'd seen 2 parked cars 2 days prior. The inference being that he didn't actually see two parked cars but had watched 60mins and there was a question of whether his siting was reality or imagined after watching 60mins. imo

(quote)
Mr Savage was also questioned about the sightings of two cars he had mentioned seeing on Benaroon Drive in a 2016 police statement.

It was suggested by Mr Craddock that these sightings were added to Mr Savage’s statement after the screening of a 60 Minutes special in 2015.

The Channel 9 program featured graphic image recreations of cars allegedly sighted in Benaroon Drive by William’s foster mother.
Discrepancies in the foster mother’s account of the car sightings, which she did not mention until the week following William’s abduction, were raised at the inquest this week.

Asked by counsel for the biological father of William Tyrrell if he had mentioned the car sightings to the foster mother, Mr Savage said “I can’t say … I just can’t remember”.

Asked if the person he told about the car sightings could have been anybody, Mr Savage agreed “could have been”.
William Tyrrell neighbour breaks down at inquest

 

[SouthAussie]

This was a lead in to PS statement where he said he'd seen 2 parked cars 2 days prior. The inference being that he didn't actually see two parked cars but had watched 60mins and there was a question of whether his siting was reality or imagined after watching 60mins. imo

BBM: ...... or contrived.

Just to look at every possibility.

 

[Shadow@light]

I have always had that tiny bit of doubt about WT being missed in the searches and if there were any places he could of fallen into and not been noticed?
And i know it has been stated he wasn't a child that tendered to wander but MFC said this
(quote)
'I was thinking so many things at once,' the father explained to the officer.

'I need to cover as much ground as I can in the shortest possible time.'

The officer asked William's foster father if knowing that he was not being watched by 'mummy and daddy' would stop him from walking away from the property.

'Na, he'd give it a shot,' he said.

William Tyrrell's foster mother's harrowing triple-zero call when he vanished is replayed in court | Daily Mail Online

Children will wander off if given half a chance. My front door is locked and I carry my keys in my pocket not as habit, as I worked into the Hotel Industry, but I know my child will shoot straight out the door which my child has done a couple times a while back.
Across the road a few years ago was a family ( They moved, not because I am The Phantom Of The Opera opposite their house) but the local Government decreed your children had to attend the local school in your suburb)
Any way about three times I saw the young boy(age four) sneak out the front door touch the curb with his feet waited a few minutes and dashed back inside, without his Mother knowing.

I can see William going to the road curb and back to the house.

On the third time, I called out to him if he did again I would tell his parents. He never did it again
I told the neighbours next door she kept a look out as well. She even keeps an eye out even for my child/ other children just in case.

Foster Father answered truthfully, knowing his Foster Children also as he would remember what he did as a boy, given half the chance William would wander off, but FM and FFG were watching Lindsay and William had only pop inside for couple minutes.
So William knew he was being watched thought he was safe maybe just to walk to the curb and back.
Sometimes we all make a split desision like William's Foster Family,who saw FG home and the street is quiet and safe, no cars etc.
( Ourselves as parents watching the children,look all kids playing outside together, keeping each other busy, I just make a quick call of nature or cup of Tea.
Suddenly there is yelling one of the children had a accident...You have to explain where you were and why.)
Even in area I live nearly two years, a Mum was preparing Dinner, glancing out the window as her three kids were playing hide and seek in the Front yard, she was getting something from the cupboard when she heard the teenage son yelling from side of the house running to front yard, she looked out the window to see a man carrying her youngest child under the age of five. She dashed outside, but due to the teenager coming to his sibling aid the man threw the young child down and took off in a car. For over ten years the children had played in the front yard safety, parents believed that too.
The children no longer play out front yard. That family was lucky.
But William's family are still trying to find their missing boy.
William Foster Family is worse case

 

[they'll get you]

Could the radio be part of their security?
Many think if they leave the radio and a light on a would-be burglar might think someone is at home.
Just scattered thoughts.

 

[Whàngarei]

Could the radio be part of their security?
Many think if they leave the radio and a light on a would-be burglar might think someone is at home.
Just scattered thoughts.

Yes security, it keeps people guessing ... then it’s a case of is some one home or not?

 

[SouthAussie]

Could the radio be part of their security?
Many think if they leave the radio and a light on a would-be burglar might think someone is at home.
Just scattered thoughts.

Could also be part of his 'company'. When home alone - or if a wife doesn't speak to her husband much because he has a PVO against him for stalking a woman - a radio can offer a form of companionship.

 

[stormbird]

Also IF Heather left @ 10:37 or 10:38 wouldn't she have seen / heard the FFC, MFC yelling out for William or noticed something not right on the street?

Has it been reported anywhere that anyone seen a maroon ford falcon leaving Benaroon drive at this time???

If PS's wife drove out at 10:37 or 10:38 to go to bingo, MFC might have just arrived back at FGM's: he was due to get there about 10:35am (1). FFC met him as he was getting out of the car to ask if William was with him (2). Maybe HS drove past as they were talking?

Was she asked about them, or were they asked about her?

(1) A Lia Harris (@LiaJHarris) tweet, with thanks to @UndiscoveredTruth for posting it (thread 40, post 173):

"William’s foster father tells the court he sent a text message to his foster mother saying “home in 5” around 10.30am as he drove back through Kendall, using the Siri function on his phone."

(2) @LiaJHarris via UndiscoveredTruth (thread 39, post 1300):

"The foster father arrived home and [FFC] approached the car and said “is William with you?”, to which he responded “why would he be with me?” She tells the court. He then became panicked when he heard he was missing."

 

[bearbear]

maybe ps turned the radio on loud as soon as h left every friday,
a little act of rebellion, he may have loved music and it filled him with joy?

 

[Whàngarei]

maybe ps turned the radio on loud as soon as h left every friday,
a little act of rebellion, he may have loved music and it filled him with joy?

Imo Ps said his wife adapted to the radio. Imo was tuned to talk back radio.

 

[SouthAussie]

Imo Ps said his wife adapted to the radio. Imo was tuned to talk back radio.

I wonder how much Heather adapted.

That would be enough to give anyone a headache. Unless her adapting meant 'please go out into your workshop and listen to that' or unless it meant to close every door between the radio and herself. Presumably Heather's hearing was not bad, if he said she adapted.

Yes, it was mentioned that he listened to Ray Hadley. From the website it seems that Ray Hadley is on every Mon-Fri from 9am until noon.
The Ray Hadley Morning Show

 

[SouthAussie]

I actually don't understand why all the POIs are not thought to be capable of taking William.
They are POIs for a reason - even if those reasons are not clear to us.

In her 6th podcast - Weeks, Months, Years - which I have just listened to again, Lia goes over the POIs that they were aware of at the time.

She mentions:

A particular man who is a known pedo who lived nearby, he is still a person of interest.
Also Tony Jones, lived in region at the time. Member of a group that another known pedo also belonged to.
Bill Spedding - set to testify as a POI.
Paul Savage – wife at bingo, Savage alone in house.

Weeks, Months, Years

She also mentioned how another Ch10 journo - Ali Donaldson - spoke to Savage.
AD "William's 8th birthday is today"
PS "Yeah, I know"

 

[Whàngarei]

All are of interest imo to me not discounted.