Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48

[katydid23]

I actually don't understand why all the POIs are not thought to be capable of taking William.
They are POIs for a reason - even if those reasons are not clear to us.

In her 6th podcast - Weeks, Months, Years - which I have just listened to again, Lia goes over the POIs that they were aware of at the time.

She mentions:

A particular man who is a known pedo who lived nearby, he is still a person of interest.
Also Tony Jones, lived in region at the time. Member of a group that another known pedo also belonged to.
Bill Spedding - set to testify as a POI.
Paul Savage – wife at bingo, Savage alone in house.

Weeks, Months, Years

She also mentioned how another Ch10 journo - Ali Donaldson - spoke to Savage.
AD "William's 8th birthday is today"
PS "Yeah, I know"

How did PS know it was William's Birthday that day?

 

[bearbear]

How did PS know it was William's Birthday that day?

maybe it was on the news? i think some of the kendall locals used to acknowledge the different milestones with decorations, cake stalls etc but that may have only been the first year?

 

[sosocurious]

EVERY year on June 26 Hastings residents have joined a nationwide campaign since 2014 to light a candle for William Tyrrell.

Flames burn for William five years on as search for the truth continues

 

[deugirtni]

I actually don't understand why all the POIs are not thought to be capable of taking William.
They are POIs for a reason - even if those reasons are not clear to us.

In her 6th podcast - Weeks, Months, Years - which I have just listened to again, Lia goes over the POIs that they were aware of at the time.

She mentions:

A particular man who is a known pedo who lived nearby, he is still a person of interest.
Also Tony Jones, lived in region at the time. Member of a group that another known pedo also belonged to.
Bill Spedding - set to testify as a POI.
Paul Savage – wife at bingo, Savage alone in house.

Weeks, Months, Years

She also mentioned how another Ch10 journo - Ali Donaldson - spoke to Savage.
AD "William's 8th birthday is today"
PS "Yeah, I know"

How did PS know it was William's Birthday that day?

Considering it seems PS was being interviwed right on the day of W's 8th birthday, I might assume he may have been informed ahead of time that that was the occasion of him being interviewed by the Ch10 journo?

Also, at the inquest, it was made clear that it didn't take much to be a POI, we know there were hundreds of POIs at one time, etc. To be a POI is not to assume guilt.

 

[deugirtni]

I actually don't understand why all the POIs are not thought to be capable of taking William.
They are POIs for a reason - even if those reasons are not clear to us.

In her 6th podcast - Weeks, Months, Years - which I have just listened to again, Lia goes over the POIs that they were aware of at the time.

She mentions:

A particular man who is a known pedo who lived nearby, he is still a person of interest.
Also Tony Jones, lived in region at the time. Member of a group that another known pedo also belonged to.
Bill Spedding - set to testify as a POI.
Paul Savage – wife at bingo, Savage alone in house.

Weeks, Months, Years

She also mentioned how another Ch10 journo - Ali Donaldson - spoke to Savage.
AD "William's 8th birthday is today"
PS "Yeah, I know"

I am reminded in re-listening to this podcast (approx 10:35) as it was being announced, the LE announcing it says, 'for the safe return of.. '

On the police website, it says:

The NSW Government has announced a $1 million reward for information that leads to the recovery of William Tyrrell.
....
“This is a unique reward, it does not require the charge and conviction of any person(s), it relates to the recovery of William Tyrrell.

$1 million NSW Government reward announced for the return on William Tyrrell - NSW Police Public Site

I have wondered about this.. are they asking for simply 'the recovery of William' whether that be remains or live? Or are they asking for 'the safe return', which I would assume means, alive? I was thinking if it is not 100% clear as to what that means exactly, and if someone may get the perhaps mistaken impression(?) that it only means 'safe return/alive', and yet he is NOT alive.. could that possibly be a stumbling block for someone to come forward, because that person may *know* his safe return is impossible?

Just something that has been bugging me for a long time. Thoughts?

 

[SouthAussie]

Considering it seems PS was being interviwed right on the day of W's 8th birthday, I might assume he may have been informed ahead of time that that was the occasion of him being interviewed by the Ch10 journo?

Also, at the inquest, it was made clear that it didn't take much to be a POI, we know there were hundreds of POIs at one time, etc. To be a POI is not to assume guilt.

BBM: Are there any suggestions who we should be discussing and looking into for this crime then? If it is not to be all of the POIs who have been called to the inquest.

Serious question. As I don't think that anyone here is assuming guilt. We are seeing how the shoe fits each person that we are allowed to speak of. imo

 

[they'll get you]

I wonder how much Heather adapted.

That would be enough to give anyone a headache. Unless her adapting meant 'please go out into your workshop and listen to that' or unless it meant to close every door between the radio and herself. Presumably Heather's hearing was not bad, if he said she adapted.

Yes, it was mentioned that he listened to Ray Hadley. From the website it seems that Ray Hadley is on every Mon-Fri from 9am until noon.
The Ray Hadley Morning Show

It was on 2GB Sydney, Ray Hadley, I first heard of a child missing up in Kendall. Ray Hadley is on from 9-noon.

I also remember driving with my partner when we heard that Allison Baden-Clay was missing and we BOTH spoke of another domestic murder. It was that hinkie meter again.

 

[they'll get you]

How did PS know it was William's Birthday that day?

Maybe he reads Websleuths.

Hi there Mr PS you are welcome to chat with us.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe he reads Websleuths.

Hi there Mr PS you are welcome to chat with us.

I wonder if Savage heard that it was William's 8th birthday on Ray Hadley.
I am not seeing anything unusual about him knowing that it was William's 8th birthday. Depending on what time of day Ali Donaldson spoke with him (which was not mentioned in the podcast - nor was it mentioned how she spoke with him ... by phone, or in person).

Just providing more bits and pieces that I am picking up from my ongoing 2nd listen to all of the podcasts. And wondering why some things - like that - are mentioned. Lia seems pretty fair in all of her podcast comments. Doesn't seem to lean in this direction or that direction.

 

[they'll get you]

It was on 2GB Sydney, Ray Hadley, I first heard of a child missing up in Kendall. Ray Hadley is on from 9-noon.

I also remember driving with my partner when we heard that Allison Baden-Clay was missing and we BOTH spoke of another domestic murder. It was that hinkie meter again.

IIRC it wasn’t an Amber Alert about William whereas, sadly, other missing children possibly travelling in a certain vehicle & rego plates.

 

[SouthAussie]

IIRC it wasn’t an Amber Alert about William whereas, sadly, other missing children possibly travelling in a certain vehicle & rego plates.

I don't think the Amber Alert system rolled out in NSW until 2017.
It rolled out in Qld in 2015.

Prior to that the NSW police issued 'child abduction' or 'concern for child' alerts, depending on the circumstances.

I think we discovered this way back in the threads somewhere.

NSW Police Force
New child abduction alert system introduced in Queensland
https://www.smh.com.au/national/aus...t-child-abduction-system-20170622-gww3io.html

 

[they'll get you]

Imo Ps said his wife adapted to the radio. Imo was tuned to talk back radio.

‘She adapted’

This term bothers me.
Most Aussies say ‘she got used to it’ or ‘she didn’t mind’. But adapted?
Adapted!?

 

[they'll get you]

maybe ps turned the radio on loud as soon as h left every friday,
a little act of rebellion, he may have loved music and it filled him with joy?

OR H didn’t adapt at all and only when H left he could blare up the volume.

Where is that little boy?

 

[Whàngarei]

‘She adapted’

This term bothers me.
Most Aussies say ‘she got used to it’ or ‘she didn’t mind’. But adapted?
Adapted!?

Imo that was his terminology (PS).

 

[k-mac]

She claimed to police that Savage had formed an obsession with her, making repeated unwanted romantic gestures including blowing kisses in her direction.
The woman was granted a personal violence order in April 2013, which prevented him from approaching or contacting her ...
Revealed: Man Questioned Over William Tyrrell Breached Restraining Order

rsbm
if he was obsessed with the postie considering he was going away for the week imo he was loitering front side for a glimpse of her. maybe hopeful of an interaction? he had breached it before.

From hearing, watching & observing PS over 3 days at the inquest I really don't think he has any kind of dementia IMO

Surely his legal team would have bought that up & had a medical professional give expert evidence , even a statement from his GP .....

rsbm
especially when he is definite with past q&a's like previous meetings with William.
its only the incriminating grey areas he suddenly cant seem to recall.

Locking up because he was going away for a week, then ten/fifteen minutes later not locking up because brother-in-law and wife were coming . . . I can't make sense of that.

rsbm
its the biggest problem road block red flag I have seen in Williams case.
either he was going away on a big trip or he wasn't.
the records show he indeed was...until he wasn't.
wonder what the brother laurie told jubes from his perspective happened that day.

Remember he had a 4 hour interview with Jubes about a month before, so things should have been refreshed for him than.....he also seemed a creature of habit ( used same coffee cup etc always had tea & toast ) .

yes I see him as a creature of habit, including stalking the postie with or without an avo. shows his level of determination.
also for creatures of habit a big trip away is a BIG DEAL. especially when someone is counting on you.

Took me a few moments to catch onto what Craddock meant by this, but then I realised that - of course - Savage was going to Casino and wasn't going to see Heather again until he returned a week or so later.

right
smh

C: You had met WT a couple of occasions?

PS : Yes, that's correct.

C: 2013 " Millies" Christmas party?

PS: Yes

C: Saw WT?

PS : Yes

C: Foster carers?

PS : Yes

C: Bond between MFC & WT?

PS : Yes, had good bond, followed him around

C: One other occasion you saw WT at FGM house? ( wasn't said when this was )

PS : Yes

That exchange happened in the first few questions PS was asked.

100% clarity of thought here. interesting.
must be an on /off switch.

sorry for all the snipped by me's I had gotten way behind.
hit it all one shot.

mental illness ie dementia isn't simply forgetfulness.
it is changes in behaviour and thinking as well as memory.
often not in positive ways.
if he has any such condition that is no free pass from me.
and if he doesn't......he's cunning.
PS I am watching you.

moo

 

[they'll get you]

I don't think the Amber Alert system rolled out in NSW until 2017.
It rolled out in Qld in 2015.

Prior to that the NSW police issued 'child abduction' or 'concern for child' alerts, depending on the circumstances.

I think we discovered this way back in the threads somewhere.

NSW Police Force
New child abduction alert system introduced in Queensland
https://www.smh.com.au/national/aus...t-child-abduction-system-20170622-gww3io.html

We are rehashing old territory aren’t we SA.

 

[JLZ]

‘She adapted’

This term bothers me.
Most Aussies say ‘she got used to it’ or ‘she didn’t mind’. But adapted?
Adapted!?

I agree, it sounds slightly ironical. She learnt that he wasn't going to change and she would have to put up with it, is my interpretation.

 

[SouthAussie]

I agree, it sounds slightly ironical. She learnt that he wasn't going to change and she would have to put up with it, is my interpretation.

Just like Heather had to adapt to picking up the mail at the post office - how embarrassing.
The PVO (or any reaction from Heather) seems not to have changed Savage's behaviour, he still went on and was charged for breaching the PVO ten months later.

 

[they'll get you]

I agree, it sounds slightly ironical. She learnt that he wasn't going to change and she would have to put up with it, is my interpretation.

Yes!

 

[interested64]

rsbm
if he was obsessed with the postie considering he was going away for the week imo he was loitering front side for a glimpse of her. maybe hopeful of an interaction? he had breached it before.

rsbm
especially when he is definite with past q&a's like previous meetings with William.
its only the incriminating grey areas he suddenly cant seem to recall.

rsbm
its the biggest problem road block red flag I have seen in Williams case.
either he was going away on a big trip or he wasn't.
the records show he indeed was...until he wasn't.
wonder what the brother laurie told jubes from his perspective happened that day.


yes I see him as a creature of habit, including stalking the postie with or without an avo. shows his level of determination.
also for creatures of habit a big trip away is a BIG DEAL. especially when someone is counting on you.


right
smh


100% clarity of thought here. interesting.
must be an on /off switch.

sorry for all the snipped by me's I had gotten way behind.
hit it all one shot.

mental illness ie dementia isn't simply forgetfulness.
it is changes in behaviour and thinking as well as memory.
often not in positive ways.
if he has any such condition that is no free pass from me.
and if he doesn't......he's cunning.
PS I am watching you.

moo

I would really like to know what Heather had to say