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I agree how embarrassing for her and in a small town to boot and word would spread quickly
Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48
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Another interesting thing - in Lia's twelfth podcast Faded Memories - she said she 'asked around' about Paul Savage's 1½ hours of closed court testimony and found that it was about key evidence, as other closed court sessions were (her words).
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Interesting . Did his wife stress herself I wonder with regard to things she suspected and things she could do nothing about.
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I tried to chronologise police contacts - and other significant events - for Paul Savage. Just to see if there is any rhyme or reason, or if it might be helpful when/if the inquest resumes.
. 1st statement – 25 September 2014
. Heather passed - 25 April 2015 (refer to online obit)
. 2nd statement - March 2016
. 3rd statement - formal interview in August 2017
. 4th statement – 12 September 2017 (walk through) - said to be the 6th time talking to police (?)
. Jubes recorded Savage – 3 November 2017 (from Parramatta)
. Jubes recorded Savage - May 2018 (lasted 1hr 17 mins - Kendall)
. Jubes recorded Savage – May 2018 (morning after the above one, lasting 8 mins - Kendall)
. Forensic searches for William in Kendall area - 12 June 2018 for several weeks
. Jubes recorded Savage – 28 December 2018 at 10:30am (Friday - Kendall) - or 10:30pm in a different article
. Savage’s home searched – between 20 August 2018 and 20 August 2019 'within the last year'
. Jubes removed from case - reported 28 February 2019
. Jubes charged with illegal recordings - 21 June 2019
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest
10:30am recording time: Exclusive William Tyrrell: Paul Savage in the center of allegations against Gary Jubelin
10:30pm recording time: William Tyrrell exclusive: Paul Savage at centre of allegations against Gary Jubelin | Daily Mail Online
Detective in William Tyrrell case made 'troubling' assertions to neighbour, inquest hears
Toy found in bush, police prepare for day two of William Tyrrell search
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...off-william-tyrrell-case-20190228-p5110b.html
Video of neighbour Paul Savage walk-through shown - - OpenPaper
. 1st statement – 25 September 2014
. Heather passed - 25 April 2015 (refer to online obit)
. 2nd statement - March 2016
. 3rd statement - formal interview in August 2017
. 4th statement – 12 September 2017 (walk through) - said to be the 6th time talking to police (?)
. Jubes recorded Savage – 3 November 2017 (from Parramatta)
. Jubes recorded Savage - May 2018 (lasted 1hr 17 mins - Kendall)
. Jubes recorded Savage – May 2018 (morning after the above one, lasting 8 mins - Kendall)
. Forensic searches for William in Kendall area - 12 June 2018 for several weeks
. Jubes recorded Savage – 28 December 2018 at 10:30am (Friday - Kendall) - or 10:30pm in a different article
. Savage’s home searched – between 20 August 2018 and 20 August 2019 'within the last year'
. Jubes removed from case - reported 28 February 2019
. Jubes charged with illegal recordings - 21 June 2019
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest
10:30am recording time: Exclusive William Tyrrell: Paul Savage in the center of allegations against Gary Jubelin
10:30pm recording time: William Tyrrell exclusive: Paul Savage at centre of allegations against Gary Jubelin | Daily Mail Online
Detective in William Tyrrell case made 'troubling' assertions to neighbour, inquest hears
Toy found in bush, police prepare for day two of William Tyrrell search
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...off-william-tyrrell-case-20190228-p5110b.html
Video of neighbour Paul Savage walk-through shown - - OpenPaper
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great timeline SA.
interesting (with the exception of the 18 months around heathers passing) seems there was always plenty of interest in him.
something must have been amiss from the 1st to 2nd statement. imo
stepping up the pace from the 3rd 'formal' interview august 2017.
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Which one of those was the 'walk-through' with Beacroft?
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12 September 2017, according to this article.
Video of neighbour Paul Savage walk-through shown - - OpenPaper
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Interestingly, the walk through on 12 September 2017 is also said to be the 6th time Savage talked with the police.
I can't find any reference to when the two 'missing times' were though. I only see the three statement dates prior to that.
Maybe two other times happened in that 18 months around Heather's passing.
The Tyrrell inquest today was played a video of a walk-through with Paul Savage, filmed by investigators three years on from the day William was last seen.
It shows Mr Savage being interrogated by two female detectives — the sixth time he was questioned about his knowledge of the three-year-old's whereabouts.
Video of neighbour Paul Savage walk-through shown - - OpenPaper
This is just a thought..
I noticed something about PS in ONE of his many photographs online.. which I don't want to mention bcause I don't think it fair to say things if it might have just been a fluke of that particular photograph.. I hadn't noticed it bfore, and only noticed it ysterday for first time.
But..
It made me think immediately of someone else I know in 'real life'.. and that person's particular 'persona'. The person that I know has a kind of 'jokey' personality, and can be very sarcastic and cutting.. even inappropriately and in inappropriate settings at inappropriate times with inappropriate people either separately or together, ie he'll make fun of someone's shoes bcause they're ugly or whatever.. and embarrass the heck out of his family for having said so, etc.
I got to wondering about this thing with the postie, and the 'blowing of kisses', etc. and it occurred to me that I wondered if for whatevr reason, PS and her may not have gotten along, and so he kind of chastised her that way, perhaps by making weird remarks, blowing kisses, etc, instead of perhaps having arguments with her.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or know someone with a personality like that? It reminded me that we really don't know much about the personalities of most/any(?) of the players in this story, and perhaps the personalities might have some bearing on how they act, what they say, etc. ie if we hear they said something or did something that seems peculiar or telling, perhaps if we actually knew the personality of that person, we might realize it's not out of character 'for them'. etc.
When I see PS in MSM, just by merely 'looking', it seems like he is a rather jovial talkative fellow who keeps people entertained and humoured (looking at females smiling, laughing, etc. while interviewing him).. so wondering if he's 'chatty cathy' and maybe a bit flirty, and this postie just didn't take it in the context in which it was meant, and so he kind of took advantage of that and kept it up, just to bug her, that sort of thing.
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest
I noticed something about PS in ONE of his many photographs online.. which I don't want to mention bcause I don't think it fair to say things if it might have just been a fluke of that particular photograph.. I hadn't noticed it bfore, and only noticed it ysterday for first time.
But..
It made me think immediately of someone else I know in 'real life'.. and that person's particular 'persona'. The person that I know has a kind of 'jokey' personality, and can be very sarcastic and cutting.. even inappropriately and in inappropriate settings at inappropriate times with inappropriate people either separately or together, ie he'll make fun of someone's shoes bcause they're ugly or whatever.. and embarrass the heck out of his family for having said so, etc.
I got to wondering about this thing with the postie, and the 'blowing of kisses', etc. and it occurred to me that I wondered if for whatevr reason, PS and her may not have gotten along, and so he kind of chastised her that way, perhaps by making weird remarks, blowing kisses, etc, instead of perhaps having arguments with her.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about, or know someone with a personality like that? It reminded me that we really don't know much about the personalities of most/any(?) of the players in this story, and perhaps the personalities might have some bearing on how they act, what they say, etc. ie if we hear they said something or did something that seems peculiar or telling, perhaps if we actually knew the personality of that person, we might realize it's not out of character 'for them'. etc.
When I see PS in MSM, just by merely 'looking', it seems like he is a rather jovial talkative fellow who keeps people entertained and humoured (looking at females smiling, laughing, etc. while interviewing him).. so wondering if he's 'chatty cathy' and maybe a bit flirty, and this postie just didn't take it in the context in which it was meant, and so he kind of took advantage of that and kept it up, just to bug her, that sort of thing.
Details of ‘deeply troubling’ police grilling of Tyrrell person of interest
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I noticed this fellow.. and maybe I'm bad at comparing.. but is this RD in the yellow/gold hoodie/shirt?
Also, the fellow in the plaid is NOT Savage, does anyone disagree?
The day William Tyrrell vanished – The Fiji Channel
Also, the fellow in the plaid is NOT Savage, does anyone disagree?
The day William Tyrrell vanished – The Fiji Channel
not sure about rd? but ps isnt in that photo
This discrepancy from PS is frustrating me the most, because in the previous thread, Dr Sleuth stated, “Things like when PS was asked if he knew if the FGM had grandchildren & he replied I'm not sure & GJ just shook his head.” (ETA can’t find a post number at the moment because I’m on my phone)
Seriously? It seems that PS said that he wasn’t sure if FGM had grandchildren, as well as also giving all the detail as quoted above about the FGM’s grandchildren. How is it even possible to forget that?!
I had also questioned that, but someone reminded me that some people would not consider foster children to be 'grandchildren', and I have to agree. Some people don't even consider 'step grandchildren' as 'grandchildren'. So that is what that could be about.
HOWEVER, it was also said that FM had brothers, and I'm pretty sure she'd said during one of the interviews that the brothers had allowed their kids to roam around Benaroon with no issues, it just wasn't a concern there. IIRC. imo.
Would Savage have been around for that? Who knows? Did FGM never talk about any of her grandkids to PS? Who knows?
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In Lia's sixth podcast - Weeks, Months, Years - FM spoke of Jubes consulting with international experts. The FP stated that Jubes is diligent, determined, and they trust him, he does not let ego get in the way.
Weeks, Months, Years
I feel that if Jubes had questions about a person's memory, about their recall and reliability - he likely would not have just gone on his own instinct. I feel that he likely would have looked further, asked around, asked the people who are experts in the field, tried to determine how to approach a person to get the truth out of him.
It is noted, by me, how Jubes himself did not conduct the walkthrough with Savage. He gave that job to Laura Beacroft, and others. Laura, a forensic profiler, being a member of his team who was most qualified to 'read' all of the data - to put it together and see where it points.
NSW Police forensic profiler in the case, Detective Sergeant Laura Beacroft ...
Bones, speargun found in Tyrrell search
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FM ‘I hope there is enough pressure put on police to not put this in a cold case box and let it gather dust, it is outrageous that people have used this case to further their career.’
'This is not about the detectives on the ground – this is about the leadership.'
David Laidlaw introduced himself over the phone, told FP that Jubes was taken off the case and they were no longer allowed to talk to Jubes. FP felt for Laidlaw, felt he was put in a very bad position.
They wrote to Police Commissioner Mick Fuller pleading with him to allow Jubes to come with them to the inquest. Wrote the letter out of frustration, had left 3 or 4 messages for Fuller, never heard back.
FM read out loud the letter she wrote at around 11:44 in the podcast … she breaks down while reading the letter. Never received a reply.
Lia said: The most high profile case, cannot speak with the commissioner, despite their efforts. Can understand why commissioner may not be able to go into detail about it, but even a response to say that he cant talk to them about this - they got nothing.
To get answers, it got pushed down the line to Scott Cook. They still got nowhere with him.
Scott Cook is unprofessional, handled things 'extraordinarily poorly', expected more from a person in his position … the silence has been deafening.
David Laidlaw doing best he can, this sits fair and square with leadership.
FP say that Scott Cook told them Jubes had been meeting with Laidlaw to hand over info.
They then found out that Jubes and Laidlaw never met about the case – police Eagle System is where the knowledge is transferred. Jubes is not allowed to speak with ANYBODY about this matter.
Police officer Dennis Martin (Daniel Morcombe case) says with Jubes gone, his direction, professionalism, methodology would be missed. Intimate knowledge could not be passed on. Sad situation.
They have exhausted everything they could possibly do, the Coronial inquiry is the nth stage. Jubes appears dogmatic, lives his case, doubts all that could be passed on. They should bring him on as a private consultant. His expertise should not be lost.
FM ‘I hope there is enough pressure put on police to not put this in a cold case box and let it gather dust, it is outrageous that people have used this case to further their career.’
'This is not about the detectives on the ground – this is about the leadership.'
David Laidlaw introduced himself over the phone, told FP that Jubes was taken off the case and they were no longer allowed to talk to Jubes. FP felt for Laidlaw, felt he was put in a very bad position.
They wrote to Police Commissioner Mick Fuller pleading with him to allow Jubes to come with them to the inquest. Wrote the letter out of frustration, had left 3 or 4 messages for Fuller, never heard back.
FM read out loud the letter she wrote at around 11:44 in the podcast … she breaks down while reading the letter. Never received a reply.
Lia said: The most high profile case, cannot speak with the commissioner, despite their efforts. Can understand why commissioner may not be able to go into detail about it, but even a response to say that he cant talk to them about this - they got nothing.
To get answers, it got pushed down the line to Scott Cook. They still got nowhere with him.
Scott Cook is unprofessional, handled things 'extraordinarily poorly', expected more from a person in his position … the silence has been deafening.
David Laidlaw doing best he can, this sits fair and square with leadership.
FP say that Scott Cook told them Jubes had been meeting with Laidlaw to hand over info.
They then found out that Jubes and Laidlaw never met about the case – police Eagle System is where the knowledge is transferred. Jubes is not allowed to speak with ANYBODY about this matter.
Police officer Dennis Martin (Daniel Morcombe case) says with Jubes gone, his direction, professionalism, methodology would be missed. Intimate knowledge could not be passed on. Sad situation.
They have exhausted everything they could possibly do, the Coronial inquiry is the nth stage. Jubes appears dogmatic, lives his case, doubts all that could be passed on. They should bring him on as a private consultant. His expertise should not be lost.
Was there anything significant happening in the case in August 2017?
The police seemed to have little interest in PS until then.
Sure they may have had other earlier meetings we dont know about, but three years seems a long time for him to stay under the radar if there were any suspicions at all about him.
The police seemed to have little interest in PS until then.
Sure they may have had other earlier meetings we dont know about, but three years seems a long time for him to stay under the radar if there were any suspicions at all about him.
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On 24 August 2017, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal ruled that Tyrrell's status as a foster child and the fact he disappeared while in state care with foster parents was "one of legitimate public interest"
The father of murdered teenager Daniel Morcombe had criticised the NSW government's refusal to allow Tyrrell's parents to speak publicly about their son's disappearance as it was vital in helping to generate information that was then followed up by the police. They also feared the decision may have hindered the police investigation during the crucial weeks following Tyrrell's disappearance.
Disappearance of William Tyrrell - Wikipedia
Another shot with the guy in yellow hoodie:
William Tyrrell’s birth family felt under suspicion for five years
I'm bad at faces but I'd guess it wasn't RD.
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