Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

[Georgy]

Yes, it's very important to get the time of the 'last' photo correct.

I am wondering why the police never publicly mentioned this anomaly?

The police bring before the inquest their evidence, so then the coroner tests the evidence..thats my understanding

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yes.
Possibly also Spedding (could William have been heard chatting in the background of FM's Friday morning message?)
Possibly also Geoff Owen (was there any contact with him on the Thursday evening/Friday morning about the deck?)

Yes, that Spedding name seems to keep popping up, doesn’t it?

 

[KateM]

Yes, that Spedding name seems to keep popping up, doesn’t it?

Bill Spedding, a one-time person-of-interest in the disappearance of William Tyrrell, says his life was "shattered" by his highly-publicised ordeal which caused "damage that can never be repaired".

The whitegoods repairman, who is suing NSW Police, opened up on ABC's Four Corners on Monday night about the investigation and its impact on his life and business.

https://7news.com.au/news/court-justice/spedding-opens-up-on-tyrrell-investigation-c-540220

 

[Georgy]

I think that is what I said, isn't it? A country town. Thanks for confirming.
I know what rural is, I lived rural for quite a few years. No towns within a 2 hour drive. And it is nothing like Kendall.

Lol..so did i!!and also lived close to Kendall..that would be remote rural living so far from towns..just saying

 

[SouthAussie]

Lol..so did i!!and also lived close to Kendall..that would be remote rural living so far from towns..just saying

Pointless conversation, really. The fact is that there are over 1,100 people living in Kendall, it is very close to other towns where known pedos lived and/or worked, there are a number of those pedos among the known POIs, as well as a close neighbour who is known for sexual harassment.

 

[katydid23]

One aspect of the case that I would like to see clarified at the next inquest, is if the sniffer dogs did actually find William's scent on the FGM's property?

There has been so much conflicting reporting by the media regarding this and I would like to know if in fact his scent was found within the borders of the yard?

Are you doubting that William was at grandma's that day:?

 

[Karinna]

im just saying that for a quiet street there was activity that day,and now i can add maybe the posty,i dont believe they were followed or targeted imo,but country streets can be very busy and from all we have learned in say a 2 hr window the neighbours who didnt do their normal routine that day,mixed with nobody seeing anything etc has created a perfect situation for the abductor ..but William was heard that morning

BBM, Was it WT? All i read was a neighbour heard kids playing but didn't say she saw the children playing. Witness testimony is quite unreliable from my understanding of what i have read about that.
(quote)
But being convincing isn’t the same as being accurate. Eyewitness testimony is more fallible than many people assume. The advent of DNA analysis in the late 1980s revolutionized forensic science, providing an unprecedented level of accuracy about the identity of actual perpetrators versus innocent people falsely accused of crime. DNA testing led to the review of many settled cases. According to the Innocence Project , 358 people who had been convicted and sentenced to death since 1989 have been exonerated through DNA evidence. Of these, 71% had been convicted through eyewitness misidentification and had served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration. Of those false identifications, 41% involved cross-racial misidentifications (221 of the 358 people were African American). And 28% of the cases involved a false confession.

Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM, Was it WT? All i read was a neighbour heard kids playing but didn't say she saw the children playing. Witness testimony is quite unreliable from my understanding of what i have read about that.
(quote)
But being convincing isn’t the same as being accurate. Eyewitness testimony is more fallible than many people assume. The advent of DNA analysis in the late 1980s revolutionized forensic science, providing an unprecedented level of accuracy about the identity of actual perpetrators versus innocent people falsely accused of crime. DNA testing led to the review of many settled cases. According to the Innocence Project , 358 people who had been convicted and sentenced to death since 1989 have been exonerated through DNA evidence. Of these, 71% had been convicted through eyewitness misidentification and had served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration. Of those false identifications, 41% involved cross-racial misidentifications (221 of the 358 people were African American). And 28% of the cases involved a false confession.

Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence

So are you accusing the ff of telling lies? Getting a bit over all of this. The police have CLEARED them, Karinna, as you well know.

 

[KateM]

Are you doubting that William was at grandma's that day:?

No not at all, but I would like to know where his scent was found.

The Women's Weekly reported that his scent was only found in the backyard.

 

[Karinna]

So are you accusing the ff of telling lies? Getting a bit over all of this. The police have CLEARED them, Karinna, as you well know.

Why the heck would you think that? Stop misconstruing my post thanks. It wasn't even FFC that stated about hearing kids playing, good grief!

 

[Karinna]

I posted up a scientific article that states the unreliability of what witnesses see or think they see. It is no measure of accuracy in a criminal case as has been proven by the people that study this psychological phenomena regarding memory and the mind.

 

[KateM]

I posted up a scientific article that states the unreliability of what witnesses see or think they see. It is no measure of accuracy in a criminal case as has been proven by the people that study this psychological phenomena regarding memory and the mind.

It's well known that eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.

 

[Karinna]

Are you doubting that William was at grandma's that day:?

I think its a matter of MSM articles stating detection dogs found no scent of WT initially and then other MSM articles stating there was a scent detected to the driveway? So always the confusion with MSM articles. Far as i'm concerned WT was there and his scent should of been all around that house & yard.

 

[Karinna]

It's well known that eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.

Yes they are and plenty of innocent people have been convicted because of that. Thank goodness nowadays there has to be more than that hopefully to convict in criminal cases to avoid wrongful convictions.

 

[Shadow@light]

Maybe many of us believe the police when they repeatedly say that the foster parents are cleared - as well as many of us abiding by the TOS - and we don't wish the foster parents to be caused any additional and unnecessary grief, innuendo, or publicity.

Are people here suggesting that William was a boisterous little problem child, so an abductor came along and stole him?

.

I know it is Sunday, I been away SouthAussie and everyone, family/friends Christmas Get together getting my child who has Special Needs to say farewell to this years grade and meeting new teacher/ new grade for next year. Thought I would share my thoughts an opinons.

Firstly no child deserves to be taken and made missing, weather they are boisterous, special needs or anything else which I know everyone would agree.

Looking about William IMO there is a few things crossed my mind.

Foster Grandmother is elderly and not well grieving for her spouse, the children noise could have been too much. Thus stressing her out in her era "Children were seen but not heard"
Even my Grandparent said I was a handful as a child I was older than William when I came into their lives, I was six. My older siblings were know by Australian Expression 'Cheeky Buggers".
Many elderly people I know and remember actually use the word" handful " to happy children loudly expressing themselves in play and life.
FFG expression may IMO have been taken out of context
I confess with my child I have used the words ' Little Imp" Little Devil" even " Evil Overlord" when I been very tired with situations at school because with my child something has happened, meltdowns when frustration set in and cannot express what is wrong.
When I talk to my friends about I express these words but it light joking manner, and yes people overhearing have taken it the wrong.
But I have even heard people in public, in a joking tone with friends calling their kids "Little Sh**s" and other words...... but is not a nasty tone.

Also I taken into account/crossed my mind around three years of age, often things can present the facts that the child needs more help and guidance due to special needs I in IMO the FF and FFG would have taken in their stride with William.
My child was 4 years old when we found out he had Autism/ADHD we had no idea at the time.Year before my partner and I were concerned over our child behaviour even a child care center thought he was being abused at home which they informed our child's future Kinder,(No one else or us) who informed us straight away, they observed our child suspected Autism advised us to have our child tested which proved correct.
If William did have behavior problems IMO there would have been a medical plan set out for him. Having two families Birth and Foster can and would stress a child out due to the confusion due to young age unable to expression.
Welfare can make the decison to stop from Birth Family contacting the child.
( I leaving my comment alone on this matter)
I can remember my confusion (although older than William) of having a Birth Mother and Foster Mother ( My first Foster Family), who loved me the best.
Brief periods when my birth mother contacted then went away I always felt had I done some wrong and it affected my behaviour due to stress.

Both William's Birth and Foster Family loved him and mourn his disappearance.

 

[Wexford]

William Tyrrell’s foster mum: ‘I beat myself up’
I was looking for something else and came across this article. First time I have ever seen Nocturnal Man given a name.
"Ms Sharpley then saw missing William’s foster mother knocking on the door of a house occupied by a man called Peter.

Described in court as a “nocturnal” person who neighbours hardly knew, he didn’t answer the knock."

 

[interested64]

What has that got to do with what i said in my post that you quoted and replied this to?

im just saying that for a quiet street there was activity that day,and now i can add maybe the posty,i dont believe they were followed or targeted imo,but country streets can be very busy and from all we have learned in say a 2 hr window the neighbours who didnt do their normal routine that day,mixed with nobody seeing anything etc has created a perfect situation for the abductor ..but William was heard that morning

BBM, Was it WT? All i read was a neighbour heard kids playing but didn't say she saw the children playing. Witness testimony is quite unreliable from my understanding of what i have read about that.
(quote)
But being convincing isn’t the same as being accurate. Eyewitness testimony is more fallible than many people assume. The advent of DNA analysis in the late 1980s revolutionized forensic science, providing an unprecedented level of accuracy about the identity of actual perpetrators versus innocent people falsely accused of crime. DNA testing led to the review of many settled cases. According to the Innocence Project , 358 people who had been convicted and sentenced to death since 1989 have been exonerated through DNA evidence. Of these, 71% had been convicted through eyewitness misidentification and had served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration. Of those false identifications, 41% involved cross-racial misidentifications (221 of the 358 people were African American). And 28% of the cases involved a false confession.

Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence

My understanding is the children were heard at the fg house by a neighbour

 

[drsleuth]

Yes ..... but her times for Benaroon that day have never been disclosed by the Police .... they had them at the first inquest .....

There is also this about the car/s in Benaroon that morning .....

The article says- “A taxi driver had seen a Holden Commodore with a box trailer and neighbours Peter and Sharelle Crabb had heard a car which sounded like ute.”

the word “Ute” wasn’t used in the tweets from court .... so we don’t know if the reporting is accurate or not?? Unless someone at the inquest can remember if Mr Crabbe said “Ute” ... when he was referring to the Postie’s car ??

link :Man saw child in car wearing Spider-Man suit, Tyrrell inquest hears

No mention of a taxi at all. The crabs heard a car , which they thought sounded like the postie, & it wasn't mentioned what the postie drove. Also no mention of a ute or trailer either at the inquest.

 

[Georgy]

Pointless conversation, really. The fact is that there are over 1,100 people living in Kendall, it is very close to other towns where known pedos lived and/or worked, there are a number of those pedos among the known POIs, as well as a close neighbour who is known for sexual harassment.

I have not disputed any of the above

 

[peekinandy]

Has anyone heard much about Derek Nichols since the beginning of the alledged "ring" stuff in the area - way back? Since then, he hasn't been given a lot of attention. He lived close by. His home was searched in 2015 in relation to WT. I seem to remember he was once a focus of "a current affair" (one of four POIs mentioned by ACA - IIRC), but he has since fallen off the radar...

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