Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 5

[marlywings]

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[lampshade1]

Yes, I cannot see how WS fits in with things. He was there days before, but allegedly not on the actual day that William disappeared. How could he be of assistance to the investigation?

Just hypothesising here: Could WS have asked someone to drop off a washing machine part at the property that he would install later? Pics show the lower garage with open access - upon seeing no vehicle in the surfaced driveway by the carport, someone dropping off a part might assume nobody was home, didn't try the doorbell, and went to place the part just inside the lower garage - less hassle. The little boy might have sped around the house and surprised the deliverer who took the opportunity and seized him. Unlikely, but a possibility. I still think it's crazy that the police vehicle parked on that lower, unsurfaced driveway. IMO that's the crucial area for forensic testing. Why, oh why would the LE park there - IMO the cordon should have been extended.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/i...Leadwide.620x349.10jqdp.png/1411194248540.jpg

I don't get why he or someone working for him would go drop off a part only to have to go back later to then install the part. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The whole WS angle is confusing if it was an opportunistic abduction and WS is not a suspect. My main line of thinking is that the WS interviews/searches may have just been the police thoroughly examining/ruling out known 'usual suspects' in the area. An assumption only though.

 

[sosocurious]

I don't get why he or someone working for him would go drop off a part only to have to go back later to then install the part. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The whole WS angle is confusing if it was an opportunistic abduction and WS is not a suspect. My main line of thinking is that the WS interviews/searches may have just been the police thoroughly examining/ruling out known 'usual suspects' in the area. An assumption only though.

It seems to me that WS was expected to be in the area that morning to fix the washing machine and he has said he wasn't.

He has given his alibi to police - did it checked out or not? Who knows.

Regardless he remains a declared person of interest, presumably because LE feel he has information that can assist the investigation.

 

[Rissa1978]

It seems to me that WS was expected to be in the area that morning to fix the washing machine and he has said he wasn't.

Mr Spedding had quoted a repair for a washing machine at the home and was meant to undertake the work on the day the boy disappeared, but he never arrived.

He told police he had a missed call from the boy’s grandmother, and could not contact her back.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/26124863/spedding-interviewed-over-treatment-of-children/

 

[jigzy]

I don't get why he or someone working for him would go drop off a part only to have to go back later to then install the part. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The whole WS angle is confusing if it was an opportunistic abduction and WS is not a suspect. My main line of thinking is that the WS interviews/searches may have just been the police thoroughly examining/ruling out known 'usual suspects' in the area. An assumption only though.

I don't get why he or someone working for him would go drop off a part only to have to go back later to then install the part. It just doesn't make sense to me.

The whole WS angle is confusing if it was an opportunistic abduction and WS is not a suspect. My main line of thinking is that the WS interviews/searches may have just been the police thoroughly examining/ruling out known 'usual suspects' in the area. An assumption only though.

I didn't really mean 'someone working for him'. I meant person #1 drops off part, person #2 is due later to do the job. I live in a small community where various tradespeople help each other out (as their trades often 'cross paths') for example, where collecting parts/supplies is concerned. A local builder might, as a favour for his mate a painter/decorator, drop off some cans of paint into the painter's client's garage if he was driving that way after visiting the wholesaler. The painter then doesn't need to drive all the way to the wholesaler the next morning but can get straight to his job where the paint is ready for him. As I say, I live in a small community; this interrelationship between trades is common. Jmo.

 

[Kuriouskitty]

...so I guess, with family members confirmed as being ruled out, <modsnip> then that leaves:

the guy who was asking for directions - though if he's the perp, and if planned, then he'd be crazy to ask directions - if he's the perp, then it would be most likely an opportunistic abduction,
WS - though he's a POI rather than suspect, as far as I can gather,
Someone we haven't heard of yet.

If there was a known sex offender living in that street who was absent with a valid alibi, that doesn't discount friends of the offender from having driven to visit during that timeframe, and seizing the opportunity. Messed up world we live in

Jmo.

ETA: here's the link to the latest news article discussed upthread and referred to in my post here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lys-web-of-grief/story-fni0cx12-1227233826218
"Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, confirmed all of William’s family members had been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance, pointing the finger at an opportunistic stranger."

Or, is there a possibility that when Jubelin said, 'that if you were within 1km radius on the day William disappeared, you had better come forward', there could be one of the known sex offenders in the street/area who had a family member/friend who has lied for them, which has given an alibi and then later down the track detectives have come across evidence, that, the information the alibi gave previously has proven otherwise.

 

[marlywings]

Last warning guys before time outs start happening...

Discussing William's family &/or his history in any shape or form is NOT allowed.

Sleuthing family members is also NOT allowed. That includes sleuthing William's grandmother.

If you were in the same position, I'm quite sure none of you would like to have your personal details posted on a forum by complete strangers. Family are classed as victims on WS. Please think before you post.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oops ... sorry marly! :blushing:
Got carried away with the real estate, I think. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[butterstick]

Thanks marlywings

Sorry I have mentioned the family recently. And the reason being is that they released a media statement... so very tricky talking around that at times.

 

[Rissa1978]

Sorry I didn't think, I just thought public record.

 

[they'll get you]

Let's look at what we've got to work with. Any other ideas?

Keeping in mind the simplest answer is usually the best.

1) Family has been cleared of any wrongdoing. Link below

IMO that rules out a planned abduction

2) An opportunistic abduction.

a) dead end street so not many through traffic, cemetery etc 20%?
b)neighbours, their friends, tradesmen 80%?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lys-web-of-grief/story-fni0cx12-1227233826218

 

[they'll get you]

Another thought, do the police take the heat of a certain person to let them relax so that POI might trip up, get slack and make mistakes?

I was hoping it was a planned known abduction because that gave hope William was still alive. lease:

Right now my hopes are fading.....reality is hitting.....I'm thinking of Daniel Morcombe.

 

[deugirtni]

But surely people on neighbouring streets would also be reporting anything they may have had occasion to have seen on that morning? Wouldn't the boy be screaming? I would think it would be terribly scary to be taken, undoubtedly with a hand over his mouth and whisked into a stranger's vehicle. Or did he knock him out so no screams and no bouncing around the back seat/front seat so other drivers wouldn't notice a child in transit without the security of a car seat? Squealing tires, erratic driving, a memory of a weird looking soul driving up the street around the time, a vehicle parked near the bush for a bit?

If it was planned abduction which I don't necessarily believe...William could have been carried to a vehicle could be parked in that area, hence no vehicle noticed on Benaroon Drive.

 

[butterstick]

He's hiding and chasing from his family. He's a bit cheeky. Someone could of stopped at the bottom of the slope, called him over and offered him a ride and he may of gone along with it, thinking he was hiding from his sister. Being smart and adventurous.

Beyond the first few minutes of hiding in the car, I do not know. It scares me to think how someone might keep a child quiet in a car to stop people noticing.

 

[SouthAussie]

I dunno, I have more of a picture of William being taken by the hand and led quietly away &#8211; maybe picked up and carried soon after, for haste. Perhaps with the promise of a visit to see Spiderman and an assurance that mummy said it was okay. I&#8217;m not sure that a child abductor, of a child that age, is always into scaring the heck out of the child so that they are screaming and crying.

 

[sosocurious]

While Inspector Jubelin has said everyone is a suspect I think it is fair to say that will be narrowed down to one or a few as the investigation progresses further.

One of the names that popped up early in the investigation was WS.............
He was routinely investigated along with others who'd had contact with the family in the lead up to WT disappearance.
LE claim that a tip off was received through crime-stoppers and he was interviewed.

WS said
I had no involvement.
I wasn't there on the day it occurred.
We understand the investigation, we accept the investigation.

I understand I was a person of interest because a few days before I was out there.

They're following up each and every lead they have and it was our turn to be that lead to be investigated.

Police stressed the search was only one line of inquiry in the baffling case and WS said he was certain the inquiry would clear his name.

Supt Fehon said ............"that there could be very, very serious complications for them down the track if nothing eventuates" (referring to the media releasing his name)

But questions will also be asked of the police if nothing eventuates with WS . They too have skin in this game.

Yet, LE continue to name him as a declared person of interest.
Thus, far the only one named.

When are we going to hear something about the results of the search and alibi?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195778466
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854

 

[butterstick]

I&#8217;m not sure that a child abductor, of a child that age, is always into scaring the heck out of the child so that they are screaming and crying.

Whether it's by foot or by car, there will still come a point where WT becomes upset after the initial premise (spiderman gifts, a place to hide from sister, etc) fades and he wants to see his family.

I'm not sure how long children take to get to that point. In some ways I hope WT never thought about it, and never raised a concern, and so no trouble happened and he is safe somewhere being looked after.

 

[bearbear]

does anyone remember if baden clay was initially declared a poi and not a suspect?

 

[sosocurious]

does anyone remember if baden clay was initially declared a poi and not a suspect?

Yes he was a considered a POI, they never named him as a suspect from memory...... someone will correct me quick smart if I am wrong. lol

 

[Tangled_Web]

does anyone remember if baden clay was initially declared a poi and not a suspect?

Yes, he was. But being Alison's husband that's probably not so surprising. The reason for WS being POI is intriguing.

Detective Sergeant Gavin Pascoe, who was with the homicide squad at the time of Allison's disappearance, conceded it would be "fair to say" that Mr Baden-Clay became a person of interest very early in the police investigation.

http://http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-monitored-badenclays-phone-calls-court-20130319-2gdnx.html