Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 5

[sosocurious]

I remember reading this the for the first time and thinking it was rather odd given all that was taking place.

WS said

"Iv'e always hoped for a good outcome for the Tyrrel family. Its the fact we have children too, and it could happen to us. That's something that is always on my mind".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195778466

 

[Rissa1978]

The only workable ways I can think of is..

A) Someone in the estate (visiting or living)
B) Someone saw the family arrive

How else would someone be aware of the kids unexpected visit, school holidays were still a week away (I know neither child is school age but pre-school and daycare normally run the same terms)

 

[sosocurious]

The only workable ways I can think of is..

A) Someone in the estate (visiting or living)
B) Someone saw the family arrive

How else would someone be aware of the kids unexpected visit, school holidays were still a week away (I know neither child is school age but pre-school and daycare normally run the same terms)

Yes Rissa - but I then wonder how WS could be a POI that may be of assistance with the investigation.
Did he know the visitors?
Did he know the person living in the estate?
Was he the person that saw the family arrive?

 

[spiritualdreaming]

The only workable ways I can think of is..

A) Someone in the estate (visiting or living)
B) Someone saw the family arrive

How else would someone be aware of the kids unexpected visit, school holidays were still a week away (I know neither child is school age but pre-school and daycare normally run the same terms)

Was it an unexpected visit though, I've only read MSM writing that it was unexpected and we all know how wrong MSM can be.

Is there anywhere that police have said that it was an unexpected visit?

 

[soolaimon345]

TGY

when you say I read the advert has one male owner-I'm finding this more interesting....
35 Benaroon Drive Kendall

I get the HE & HIS but is one male owner your words, just that I can't see that in the actual listing or am I missing it?

 

[Angeline]

Let's look at what we've got to work with. Any other ideas?

Keeping in mind the simplest answer is usually the best.

1) Family has been cleared of any wrongdoing. Link below

IMO that rules out a planned abduction

2) An opportunistic abduction.

a) dead end street so not many through traffic, cemetery etc 20%?
b)neighbours, their friends, tradesmen 80%?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lys-web-of-grief/story-fni0cx12-1227233826218

It could have been someone from one of the nearby streets going for a walk, or a visitor of people living nearby? Maybe someone who couldn't have children of their own? They see William wandering around the shrubbery outside his grandma's home... think "he's a cute kid", and just take him? Maybe they thought William was lost as he was wandering around the shrubs by himself. It would be a strange sight to see a 3yo kid doing that (not knowing he was playing hide-and-seek). If they thought he was lost, then they thought they could snatch him and no-one would notice for a while.

IMO, that would fit with why Jubelin is so interested in people who were within a 1km radius. If it was a visitor, then perhaps the people they were visiting are keeping quiet, and that's why he is forcefully pointing out that it is unacceptable to cover for someone who would that.

As for WS... no idea how he is involved. He is not a neighbour but he could know someone within that 1km radius that is involved.

Yet, LE continue to name him as a declared person of interest.
Thus, far the only one named.

When are we going to hear something about the results of the search and alibi?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195778466
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854

All I can think is that their investigations into WS are not yet complete, which is why they say he's not a suspect but still a POI who may be able to assist?

 

[Rissa1978]

Yes Rissa - but I then wonder how WS could be a POI that may be of assistance with the investigation.
Did he know the visitors?
Did he know the person living in the estate?
Was he the person that saw the family arrive?

In my mind WS is a POI because he was due to be at the house and he didn't show up, his explanation for this he was at his grand childrens school. Being a absent minded mum of four who often forgets events at schools because I have booked appointments I can accept that as a explanation.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...aring-family-man/story-fnpn118l-1227193777963
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

 

[Rissa1978]

Was it an unexpected visit though, I've only read MSM writing that it was unexpected and we all know how wrong MSM can be.

Is there anywhere that police have said that it was an unexpected visit?

I remember it being said in one of the first interviews, I am searching for it now. Thank goodness I am not in school I am useless with finding reference sources.

 

[sosocurious]

In my mind WS is a POI because he was due to be at the house and he didn't show up, his explanation for this he was at his grand childrens school. Being a absent minded mum of four who often forgets events at schools because I have booked appointments I can accept that as a explanation.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...aring-family-man/story-fnpn118l-1227193777963
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

As they checked out everyone's statements about where they were on that Friday detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what WS told them which led to his pawn broking office and house being raided.

He wouldn't go into specifics about where he was that day or any timeline surrounding where he was at the exact time WT disappeared. He said he had to seek legal advise.

His friend Colin did give some details of his whereabouts, however.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...aring-family-man/story-fnpn118l-1227193777963

 

[marlywings]

does anyone remember if baden clay was initially declared a poi and not a suspect?

Very early on in the investigation Baden Clay was declared a person of interest....that was redacted later on that same day. From then, right up until BC's arrest a few months later, the detective in charge, Inspector Ainsworth, was asked numerous times at various media conferences, if Baden Clay was a POI or suspect. The Inspector's standard reply was "I can't comment on that".

April 23, 2012

They confirmed that Gerard Baden-Clay, the husband of the missing woman and the father of her three girls, was a person of interest in the investigation along with a number of people close to the couple.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ng-in-brookfield/story-e6freoof-1226335681703

April 23, 2012

Superintendent Mark Ainsworth says Allison Baden-Clay's disappearance is being treated as a missing person case; not a criminal investigation.

He says Gerard Baden-Clay is not a person of interest.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-15/baden-clay-murder-trial-timeline/5585176

And from the Committal Hearing....

March 20, 2013

Detective Sergeant Gavin Pascoe, who was with the homicide squad at the time of Allison's disappearance, conceded it would be "fair to say" that Mr Baden-Clay became a person of interest very early in the police investigation.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...enclays-phone-calls-court-20130319-2gdnx.html

 

[sosocurious]

Thanks Marly
I was reading somewhere on WS about the difference between a POI and suspect and I think it said something about a suspect having rights and the it can slow down the process of the investigation.
But I cannot find it again.
Is that correct .. do you know?

 

[they'll get you]

TGY

when you say I read the advert has one male owner-I'm finding this more interesting....
35 Benaroon Drive Kendall

I get the HE & HIS but is one male owner your words, just that I can't see that in the actual listing or am I missing it?

Hi soolaimon, you are right it didn't actually say 'one male owner'. I saw it as one male owner because it's singular. They would refer to 'the vendors' or 'owner/owners'. The add specifically said he, his etc.

To be honest I felt bad pointing to men being dangerous but I imagine there could be more male pedophiles than female. I hope that doesn't offend our wonderful males out there.

The vendor has made the decision that he is moving so he wants his property sold immediately. Consisting of a very comfortable two bedroom brick veneer home. Private 4087m2 (1ac) block with bush land to the rear. Ready to make your own improvements or indeed would make a great little investment property. The listing price is a bargain, HOWEVER, the vendor has instructed us that he will consider offers over $300,000. This is only a little over land value so do not delay your inspection.



http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-kendall-118324311

 

[Tangled_Web]

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All I can think is that their investigations into WS are not yet complete, which is why they say he's not a suspect but still a POI who may be able to assist?

It seems interesting that the media has not said anything at all further about WS or the investigations - even to say that those investigations are ongoing - there seems to have been no follow-up at all, when it was such a large story at the time. Just silence. I would imagine they would be following-up and wonder if that is part of LE strategy?

 

[marlywings]

He's hiding and chasing from his family. He's a bit cheeky. Someone could of stopped at the bottom of the slope, called him over and offered him a ride and he may of gone along with it, thinking he was hiding from his sister. Being smart and adventurous.

Beyond the first few minutes of hiding in the car, I do not know. It scares me to think how someone might keep a child quiet in a car to stop people noticing.

I dunno, I have more of a picture of William being taken by the hand and led quietly away – maybe picked up and carried soon after, for haste. Perhaps with the promise of a visit to see Spiderman and an assurance that mummy said it was okay. I’m not sure that a child abductor, of a child that age, is always into scaring the heck out of the child so that they are screaming and crying.

As has been reported, police are "pointing the finger at an opportunistic stranger"

Cowan, Daniel Morcombe's killer, was an opportunistic offender/stranger. In the space of a few minutes, he convinced Daniel, a 13yr old boy, that he'd drive him to a shopping centre.

The creeps of this world, opportunistic strangers, are constantly on the lookout and always ready for that opportunity.

 

[Xantara]

It seems interesting that the media has not said anything at all further about WS or the investigations - even to say that those investigations are ongoing - there seems to have been no follow-up at all, when it was such a large story at the time. Just silence. I would imagine they would be following-up and wonder if that is part of LE strategy?

I read in one of yesterday's reports that Jubelin said he was starting from ground zero, meaning the investigation is effectively starting all over again!

 

[Xantara]

One of the reports also suggested that someone could have been 'loitering for hours' in the lead up to William going missing. Who'd be in a position to loiter for hours on a street with clear visibility on a Friday morning?
Someone on a Friday morning stroll in the neighbourhood? Where would you hang out to do this loitering?
Tradesperson? Would have to get to the next job, wouldn't they?
I'm leaning towards someone who would have been quite comfortable, as in felt quite 'at home', literally, in that environment. They'd find it easiest to do so, you'd think and, if seen, whether around that actual time or in someone's recollection, could best come up with a rationale for being where they were e.g 'I was just picking up some rubbish from outside my property', or 'I was just pruning the shrubs near the front fence', etc.

 

[Xantara]

Don't really buy the theory in msm reports - one of many - that it could have been someone unable to have kids. These days, with the options available, you'd really have to weigh up what's the greater cost (financial and otherwise): with IVF, adoption, becoming a foster parent yourself etc - how could snatching a random kid appear more viable? Even if the act itself seemed simple, where to from there? How are they going to raise a kid with now such a high public profile as their own? Be different maybe if it was a small baby.
And that's apart from what the chances would be of someone who can't have kids just happening to be in that very spot at that very moment. What do other ppl think of that theory?

 

[Rissa1978]

Beyond the first few minutes of hiding in the car, I do not know. It scares me to think how someone might keep a child quiet in a car to stop people noticing.

I don't think people pay much attention to children screaming in cars, maybe a glance and roll of the eyes but nothing like if they were in a shop.

 

[butterstick]

And that's apart from what the chances would be of someone who can't have kids just happening to be in that very spot at that very moment. What do other ppl think of that theory?

Agreed Xantara. Though it is an as valid reason as any?

It really is the million dollar question. If it was opportunistic, then why did they happen to be there?

Somewhere on that street there is a reason for a visitor. Whether it is a realestate hunter, a graveyard visitor, a tradesman, a drop-by visit to a neighbour.

Something! And somewhere on a LE whiteboard these things will be listed, with tens of connected dotted lines to names we have never heard.

 

[Rissa1978]

Don't really buy the theory in msm reports - one of many - that it could have been someone unable to have kids. These days, with the options available, you'd really have to weigh up what's the greater cost (financial and otherwise): with IVF, adoption, becoming a foster parent yourself etc - how could snatching a random kid appear more viable? Even if the act itself seemed simple, where to from there? How are they going to raise a kid with now such a high public profile as their own? Be different maybe if it was a small baby.
And that's apart from what the chances would be of someone who can't have kids just happening to be in that very spot at that very moment. What do other ppl think of that theory?

I think more of a chance of someone who has a child taken from them and wouldn't qualify for any of those options.

Trying to cater for any child would be hard unless you already had clothes, toys ect available.