Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50

[intriguedinterest]

I'm here to see what the results will be - whether he will be charged with illegal recordings or not? We haven't heard his operational response yet. I wouldn't jump the gun just yet

Jubelin has been charged with all 4 alleged illegal recordings. Do you mean will he be convicted of all 4 if found guilty?

 

[peekinandy]

Jubelin has been charged with all 4 alleged illegal recordings. Do you mean will he be convicted of all 4 if found guilty?

yeah, you know how they sometimes drop a charge to two...

or two - i meant

 

[intriguedinterest]

I was thinking it's possible he was referring to GJ showing up at his house without a warrant, talking to him, and then using the info against him later. I recall that PS had reportedly said to GJ that his lawyer had told him not to let him in any more without a warrant(?), and I'm sure not to speak to him either (as lawyers will always tell their clients to remain silent, so that is a given). I was imagining that in PS's mind he could've been referring to GJ intruding upon his property, space, and mind, and saying that in retaliation, PS would run into 'his' property. In any case, it may not have been GJ, it may have been someone totally unknown to us. Could've been his son he was 'talking to', or his brother, or his bro-in-law, could've been anyone (presumably quite a bit younger than himself). From what we know however, I would guess that it was more Jubelin than W, as it 'sounds' as if whomever he's 'speaking to' (in his mind but out loud) had infringed on PS's property and done what 'they' had wanted rather than what PS had wanted, and it's obviously made him angry and feeling vengeful (as many people inherently feel when they perceive they've been wronged). In my mind, one wouldn't be feeling vengeful toward a toddler for doing what the toddler wanted, because toddlers are rather easily controlled, whereas GJ certainly is not. Just my opinion though.

I personally believe Mr Savage was self taking to Jubelin and from what I understand this self-talk happened after initial visits by Jubelin and his house and car being turned over.

 

[SLouTh]

Would be lunch break, back @ 2pm I'd say .

Court breaks are usually 11:30-12pm, 1-2pm ( I wish I had as good a breaks in my job or even " a" break most days )

Totally agree about getting a break Doc.....and I keep forgetting about the time difference too....

 

[intriguedinterest]

No I don't know why …. the thread started doing that after a "pop up Video" appeared ...which thankfully has now stopped ….. but this has been happening for a while …..

Cheers and thankyou. I am not used to the Websleuths system and thought I may have been doing something wrong. That popup video drives me crazy.

 

[SLouTh]

is it a meal break. Lia Harris tweeted Mr Savage was due to testify after the break.

Savage has been and gone … We are up to Dukes now ….

 

[intriguedinterest]

yeah, you know how they sometimes drop a charge to two...

I personally do not believe any charges would be dropped at this late stage. I believe there may be further charges added at a later date after this current Court matter has finalized. Just got a feeling ....

 

[intriguedinterest]

Savage has been and gone … We are up to Dukes now ….

I haven't seen anything that shows Savage has appeared today before the lunch break. Harris tweeted he would appear after lunch.

 

[drsleuth]

@LiaJHarris
Cunneen is asking Dukes about what happened to Jubelin’s lengthy statement he’d prepared for the Coroner. Dukes told the court he believe now lead detective David Laidlaw “adopted” that statement after Jubelin was removed from the cases

 

[sleepinoz]

I haven't seen anything that shows Savage has appeared today before the lunch break. Harris tweeted he would appear after lunch.

Lia Harris
@LiaJHarris
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Paul Savage is now testifying via video link. The Crown is questioning him about statements he made to police after William Tyrrell disappeared.


Lia Harris
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Savage tells the court he didn’t know Jubelin was recording their phone conversation when he called in late 2017. He said he also didn’t know Jubelin was recording their conversations in person at his house about six months later.

Lia Harris
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Savage tells the court he also didn’t know Jubelin was recording their conversation later in 2018. Cunneen is now cross-examining him.

Lia Harris
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Cunneen asks Savage if he would’ve assumed the conversations were being recorded in some capacity because Jubelin was a senior officer, he said no. He then tells the court Jubelin told him he was going to arrest him. Cunneen told the court that didn’t happen.

Lia Harris
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Cunneen asks Savage if he assumed he was being recorded by police because Jubelin had made it “obvious” he suspected him of being involved. Savage told the court “I didn’t think people had all their privacy just stripped off them”.

Lia Harris
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Savage told the court he “never gave that sort of thing a thought” when asked if he knew he was being recorded. He’s now been dismissed. His testimony lasted less than 20 minutes.

 

[drsleuth]

Lia Harris
Paul Savage is now testifying via video link. The Crown is questioning him about statements he made to police after William Tyrrell disappeared.

Savage tells the court he didn’t know Jubelin was recording their phone conversation when he called in late 2017. He said he also didn’t know Jubelin was recording their conversations in person at his house about six months later.

Savage tells the court he also didn’t know Jubelin was recording their conversation later in 2018. Cunneen is now cross-examining him.

Cunneen asks Savage if he would’ve assumed the conversations were being recorded in some capacity because Jubelin was a senior officer, he said no. He then tells the court Jubelin told him he was going to arrest him. Cunneen told the court that didn’t happen.

Cunneen asks Savage if he assumed he was being recorded by police because Jubelin had made it “obvious” he suspected him of being involved. Savage told the court “I didn’t think people had all their privacy just stripped off them”.

Savage told the court he “never gave that sort of thing a thought” when asked if he knew he was being recorded. He’s now been dismissed. His testimony lasted less than 20 minutes.

 

[sosocurious]

In all fairness, to Gallyot, when you work for the public service.... you do need to document everything as you need to "cover your butt" especially if correct processes etc are not followed …. or a chance there will be a complaint from a member of the public....

Indeed.
Just as GJ said the police were aware of the recordings.
The first was obviously put on the database back in Novemeber 2017. So fearful was Gattyot that he took Jubes phone and wrote a synopses. A brief overview of the what, when, why, who and how.

 

[sleepinoz]

Sorry Doc, didn't mean to take over your tweeting

 

[drsleuth]

Lia Harris
Dukes told the court he and Beacroft did not even consider reporting Jubelin’s recording of conversations with Savage. Asked if either of them expressed any concern about it, he replied no.

 

[drsleuth]

Sorry Doc, didn't mean to take over your tweeting

All good Sleep

 

[SLouTh]

@LiaJHarris
Cunneen is asking Dukes about what happened to Jubelin’s lengthy statement he’d prepared for the Coroner. Dukes told the court he believe now lead detective David Laidlaw “adopted” that statement after Jubelin was removed from the cases

Does this mean that the Coroner did not receive a statement from Jubes in the brief ??? Just a version by Laidlaw???

 

[intriguedinterest]

Indeed.
Just as GJ said the police were aware of the recordings.
The first was obviously put on the database back in Novemeber 2017. So fearful was Gattyot that he took Jubes phone and wrote a synopses. A brief overview of the what, when, why, who and how.

I bet you Jubelin seniors and commanders did not know about these illegal recordings!

 

[sleepinoz]

Does this mean that the Coroner did not receive a statement from Jubes in the brief ??? Just a version by Laidlaw???

Probably a combined file, mostly prepared by Jubes and some added by Laidlaw as he would have been in charge just before the Inquest.

 

[drsleuth]

NoCookies | The Australian


Paul Savage says he wasn’t told some of his often-heated conversations with former homicide detective Gary Jubelin were being recorded. Picture: Peter Lorimer/AAP

• Caroline Overington
  Associate Editor
  @overingtonc
  
  
• 54 minutes ago February 7, 2020

Paul Savage, 75, who was not able for reasons of ill health to testify in person, said Mr Jubelin had spoken to him many times over the course of the investigation, and claimed that the detective had once threatened to “bring me in, arrest me.”

The court has previously heard a tape of the relevant conversation, which does not capture such a threat.

“He told me how he knew I’d done it and all the rest of the rubbish and he wound up saying ‘I’ll back tomorrow to take you in’, to arrest me,” Mr Savage said.

“He said ‘I will be out tomorrow to pick you up or take you in’. He’d been telling me how I had something to do with it … those were his words.

“He was telling me he was going to arrest me.”

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Barrister for Mr Jubelin, Margaret Cunneen SC, suggested to Mr Savage: “You always knew that he was one of the more senior officers involved in the disappearance of little William … You knew it was his job to investigate, that his job was to try to find out what happened to William Tyrrell.”

“Yes,” Mr Savage replied.

“Sometimes he was very hard on you in his conversations, would that be fair?”

“He liked to be the boss, yeah,” Mr Savage replied.

“Other times he was a bit more friendly?”

“Very rarely.”

“You were cranky with him sometimes?”

‘You knew there was a record somehow’

“If you get spoken to the way he spoke to me, you’d be cranky, too,” Mr Savage replied.

Ms Cunneen suggested to Mr Savage: “Because you knew that he was a senior detective, whenever you spoke to him, you knew there was a record of what was said going on somehow?”

“No, I did not,” Mr Savage said. “I knew it in the interrogation room as I call it. But when he was on his phone, I never expected it.”

 

[drsleuth]

Lia Harris

Detective Chief Inspector Joe Doueihi is now on the stand. Cunneen asks if his experience with Jubelin was that “he’s a very determined, hard-working criminal investigator”. He responds “yes he certainly is”.