Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Tinker Taylor]

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[bearbear]

Just reading an analysis of the FM's 000 call. I tried posting the link to it but it doesn't come up on the message. I'm not sure if copy and paste would be against TOS?

thankyou, its an interesting site

 

[Karinna]

dbm

 

[Karinna]

thankyou, its an interesting site

Agree.

 

[KateM]

Brilliant Slouth thank you. Timeline helps me see much more clearly. What stands out to me in this timeline is the time between 10:08 and 10:41. That being the time of Savaage’s 9:59 phone call finishing to his next phone to X-ray place starting at 10:41. This gap is crucial because it’s within this timeframe that wt goes missing. This is unaccounted for time from ps. This is a red flag to me

That gap wasn't long...

 

[Georgy]

That gap wasn't long...

Wasnt he home with HS b4 she left fir bingo?

 

[drsleuth]

Thanks Doc, great work.
10.20 BS and MS (not PS)

Do you mean 10:05 - 10:10 or 10:10 - 10:15?

Half an hour's difference between them as to when they heard the car? Does that mean Mr Crabb thinks it could have been as early as 9:40?

Maybe, who knows JLZ, just relaying what I heard & read

drsleuth,
Thanks for your timeline!
Do you know anything more about PS's call from his mobile to FGM's house at 14:26?

Sorry should have been BS

That was BS not PS. Just a typo I'd say.

Yep

That's different; I'd previously read 10:30 -10:35. Whose evidence for the time?

Sorry typo should be 10:30 - 10:35

Still working my way through your splendid document; thank you.

Have fixed up errors

Friday 12 the September 2014

06:30 ish : PS goes for his walk

06:00 - 07:00 : kids wake up

07:00 - 07:30 : FFC opens curtains & sees 2 cars between # 31 ( AMS ) & #35 ( Peter's ) houses

07:30 : breakfast & dress etc

08:10 : AMS waves her kids of to school who are at the bus stop on crn Benaroon & Batar Ck Rd. She is standing at her carport.

08:40 : AMS reverses out to take her child to pre-school. Arrives at 9am. Saw no cars parked on the street.

08:40 : MFC leaves for Lakewood( from CO book suggested he left around 08:40 by CCTV @ the tennis club )

08:55 - 09:00 : MFC leaves Benaroon drive ( evidence from inquest evidence )

08:50 : PS back from his walk, he stopped for approx 30mins to talk to lady named "Lyn" -the lady from the caravan

09:02 : PS calls Casino hospital where his brother is ( call lasts 22 seconds )


09:03 : FFC calls Bill Spedding from FGM's landline, leaves a message. Call lasted 38 seconds

09:05 – 10:00 ish : ( most of this is from the CO book )FFC gave no direct times in her evidence also

*FFC took WT for walk around garden (Lindsay was inside with FGM),

*were playing “Mummy Monsters” FFC spotted good climbing tree, tried to get WT to climb tree, he was not interested “No mummy, too high”

* FFC noticed 2 cars she saw earlier. FFC sipped & grazed hand.

* FFC said at the inquest they were playing for “ around 5 minutes”

* Went inside to tend to hand, Lindsay asked what they had been doing, she than wanted to play “Mummy monsters” so they all went out again to play.

* Both kids collected leaves & twigs for cards they intended to make for “ Opa’s” grave

* Worked on cards for a while ( I think this might have been when the photos were taken @ 09:37) & than FGM said “ Okay , let’s see your new bikes”

* Both kids raced to carport ( MFC had taken bikes out of car the evening before )

* Kids rode up & down the driveway , only going as far as the road & not over the kerb.

* After a few laps WT suggested they have a race . so they did & took off to the end of the driveway. Lindsay stopped in the middle of the driveway & said “whose that car Mummy?” , FFC looked & saw dark green -grey sedan pull into the Millers driveway & reverse out & leave, she said “ I don’t know , probably the neighbours”

* Kids were than back riding theie bikes , Lindsay lost her balance coming down the driveway & fell into the garden, she was not hurt, WT than decided he would crash his bike into the garden also.

* FGM than said “I think it’s time to put these bikes away”

09:10 : GO calls FGM house ( from CO book )

09:30 - 09:35 : Crabbs arrive home @ 51 Benaroon Drive, did not see any cars on street. Went to toilet, made cup of teaa & sat on back deck.

09:37 : Photos taken on back deck of FGM

09:42 : MS & BS pay for coffees etc @ Buzz Café

09:40 - 09:45 : Mr Crabb hears a car turn around, sounds like posties ( from the inquest ) about 10 mins after getting home

09:59 – 10:07 : PS call Casino hospital, call lasts 8 minutes

10:10 – 10:15 : Mrs Crabb hears car sitting on back deck , about 40mins ( Mr Crabb said 10 mins ) after arriving home , thought “ sounded like the postman, car came up reasonably fast , did a u-turn & continued on it’s way” ( from her evidence )

10:00 -10:30ish :

FGM put kettle on ( after being outside with the kids riding the bikes ) ( from CO book )

Kids had now moved to the back deck , after teas made both FFC & FGM sat outside on deck.

Lindsay emptied the pencil container, & a dice rolled out, played dice game where Lindsay would jump the amount of times that the dice landed on.

WT came over & played as well, he soon got bored & than decided to play another game “ Daddy Tiger” , he pretended to be Daddy Tiger , he crawled around on the ground for a bit , playing at being a Tiger, He was running around roaring , in his Velcro sandals & spiderman suit .

He asked Lindsay if she wanted to play too, but she was concentrating on making her card, so William carried on without her , jumping of the deck , roaring & coming back again. He jumped of the deck , ran around the side of the house roared…………….than silence

10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.


10:05 - 10:15 : Detective Laura Beacroft thinks this time could be when WT went missing

10:10 - 10:15 : Laidlaw thinks this could be the time WT went missing

10:19 : MFC has script filled at chemist

10:20 : BS & MS left café to walk across to school

10:00 - 11:00 : Geoff Owen at Kendall Community centre paying for his advertising

10: 30 : MFC sent text, be back 5 minutes using Siri function on his phone.

10:30 : FFC noticed all quite, can see WT, can't hear WT, starts looking for him

10:35 : MFC arrives back in Benaroon Drive, meets FFC in driveway asks “ have you go

10:30- 10:35 : Lydene Heslop arrives home from grocery shopping. Saw man on mower, saw no cars

10:37 - 10:38 : Heather Savage leaves for bingo

10:40 : AMS outside in carport having a cigarette, FFC comes to her fence. AMS could hear male voice loudly calling for William in the background coming from behind FGM's house.

10:41 : PS calls x-ray place ( short call )


10:45 : Ron Chapman looks at his clock on the wall, it's 10:45, he than sees the 2 cars

10:50 : AMS knocks on PS door, PS leaves to start searching.

10:56 : FFC calls 000 from FGM's landline standing outside, says she has been looking for William for about 15 or 20 minutes.

11:00 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley see's the job

11:00 ish : Mrs Crabb said FFC & MFC came up their driveway extremely distressed ( CO book ) The asked me “ Have you seen a little boy in a spiderman suit?” MFC looked around their backyard. Crabbs had a quick look in their garden before hurrying out in their car & drove to a property who they knew had a pool ( they knew a child who had drowned ) , banged on front door, no-one home. Searched pool.

Than went to the Miller’s ( they were collecting mail & putting bins out etc whilst the Miller’s were away) They did not have a key for the Miller’s, knew a relative & drove to get key, went back to Miller parked in their driveway & watched police enter the house. William was not there. BY now people were everywhere calling out his name.

11:06 : Snr Sgt Chris Rowley arrives @ Benaroon Drive

11:30 ish : Inspector Aldridge arrives

11:30 - 11:45 : PS back from search

12:19 : Parts delivered to BS house for FGM washing machine ( other parts delivered Thus 11/11/14 )

12:30 : Snr Cnt Tim Williams arrives ( Land & Search Co-Ordinator )

"lunchtime" : Paul Berg arrives ( SES )

12:45 : Snr Cnt Wendy Hudson arrives ( was on an ADO ) with her 2 sons

13:00 : Greg & Regina Newton arrive @ PS's ( as per his testimony )

13:15 - 13:30 : GN & RG arrive at PS's ( heard in evidence by Craddock in PS's testimony )

14:26 : PS called FGM house from his mobile

16:36 : PS call to Casino hospital

 

[JLZ]

Is it definite that the postie that day was female?

Do posties in country areas ever drive their own vehicles?

From FFC's evidence I infer that the third car appeared around 9:45 - 9:50. It could be the car heard by Crabbs according to Mr C's evidence but not Mrs C's. Could that car, dark grey-green, no logo mentioned, driven by sandy-haired male, also be that day's postie?

 

[stormyseas]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the postie’s name was released to the public after more than 5 years? It seems odd given that she was the victim of stalking. I might have thought her privacy and right to confidentiality was paramount. IMO

 

[Blues Clues]

Brilliant Slouth thank you. Timeline helps me see much more clearly. What stands out to me in this timeline is the time between 10:08 and 10:41. That being the time of Savaage’s 9:59 phone call finishing to his next phone to X-ray place starting at 10:41. This gap is crucial because it’s within this timeframe that wt goes missing. This is unaccounted for time from ps. This is a red flag to me

Approx. a 25-30 min timeframe.
From his statement (not sure of date, but perhaps same date as Heathers) which Craddock had him confirm at the inquest he was getting ready for his trip to Casino.

C: From your statement about 10:35 I looked at my watch H was getting ready for bingo at Laurieton.

C: Where was she getting ready?

PS: Bedroom

C: What were you doing ?

PS: Getting ready

Heather made a statement on Sept 16th '14. It's a pity we aren't privy to that statement to enable us to see if their statments married up.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

Is it definite that the postie that day was female?

Do posties in country areas ever drive their own vehicles?

From FFC's evidence I infer that the third car appeared around 9:45 - 9:50. It could be the car heard by Crabbs according to Mr C's evidence but not Mrs C's. Could that car, dark grey-green, no logo mentioned, driven by sandy-haired male, also be that day's postie?

My understanding is that people who deliver mail to areas with large blocks (which I am assuming applies Benaroon Dr/Ellendale Cres ), are mail contractors, rather than direct employees. It is called the roadside delivery service. Postie drives their own vehicle and presumably makes arrangement for others to delivery mail if they are sick or otherwise unable to do so themselves. They would also need to find an alternative vehicle if theirs is out of order. Most would drive a 4wd. Your mail box needs to be large enough to receive mail and parcels and should be accessible to the postie without them needing to exit their vehicle. Yes, they drive on the wrong side of the road when the box isn't accessible from the other side. This would apply to FGM as her box is on the left hand side of the driveway, but facing the street.

 

[drsleuth]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the postie’s name was released to the public after more than 5 years? It seems odd given that she was the victim of stalking. I might have thought her privacy and right to confidentiality was paramount. IMO

It has only come out because of GJ's trial, some media outlets have chosen not to name her , which is a good thing IMO.

 

[Blues Clues]

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the postie’s name was released to the public after more than 5 years? It seems odd given that she was the victim of stalking. I might have thought her privacy and right to confidentiality was paramount. IMO

I've thought given the AVO and her circumstances with a POI she was likely to have been a witness who was heard in closed court at the inquest. If that was the case I'm very surprised her name was not beeped out in the Jubelin / Savage ERISP.

Was it an oversight or could there be a reason it was allowed to be made public? Lia Harris chose not to name her in the most recent podcast episode. I wonder if that was out of respect or for some other reason.

 

[Thebottomline]

My understanding is that people who deliver mail to areas with large blocks (which I am assuming applies Benaroon Dr/Ellendale Cres ), are mail contractors, rather than direct employees. It is called the roadside delivery service. Postie drives their own vehicle and presumably makes arrangement for others to delivery mail if they are sick or otherwise unable to do so themselves. They would also need to find an alternative vehicle if theirs is out of order. Most would drive a 4wd. Your mail box needs to be large enough to receive mail and parcels and should be accessible to the postie without them needing to exit their vehicle. Yes, they drive on the wrong side of the road when the box isn't accessible from the other side. This would apply to FGM as her box is on the left hand side of the driveway, but facing the street.

It’s not exactly the outback. I live in a very similar sized town. We have a post office as does Kendall ( I believe) We have a regular Aus post postie who drives auspost vehicle .

 

[Thebottomline]

I've thought given the AVO and her circumstances with a POI she was likely to have been a witness who was heard in closed court at the inquest. If that was the case I'm very surprised her name was not beeped out in the Jubelin / Savage ERISP.

Was it an oversight or could there be a reason it was allowed to be made public? Lia Harris chose not to name her in the most recent podcast episode. I wonder if that was out of respect or for some other reason.

I only saw it published here from someone posting a local newsletter

 

[Thebottomline]

As if GJ didn’t check out the postie

 

[Blues Clues]

I only saw it published here from someone posting a local newsletter

Her name was released by a couple of media outlets, possibly both subscriber only. Embedded within one article was an ERISP where Jubelin puts theories about PS waiting for the postie to him and both GJ and PS use the posties surname.

 

[Thebottomline]

Her name was released by a couple of media outlets, possibly both subscriber only. Embedded within one article was an ERISP where Jubelin puts theories about PS waiting for the postie to him and both GJ and PS use the posties surname.

Ok thanks, that’s why I’d say GJ would have checked her out

 

[Tinker Taylor]

It’s not exactly the outback. I live in a very similar sized town. We have a post office as does Kendall ( I believe) We have a regular Aus post postie who drives auspost vehicle .

Ok, maybe. Where I live there is a small settlement of 12 houses on normal sized blocks a little way out of town, where the mail contractor delivers on her way to the rural properties further down that road.

I guess unless you were local and familiar with the postal delivery service in Kendall you wouldn't know.

 

[drsleuth]

I only saw it published here from someone posting a local newsletter

And to add that wasn't even the right person