Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[sleepinoz]

There are a couple of variables though aren't there; not only how long William was missing before he was missed, but also how long FFC was searching before MFC got home.

Exactly, and in that situation time would stand still when your in panic mode.

 

[Chrissy74]

It’s completely understandable for anyone having to explain exact times in such an intense and traumatic situation. But I’m wondering if looking back at the events of that day and the times that were given by fm on and around that day, would they still be the same or would she give another time that differs from the original

 

[interested64]

just a thought..if Williams sister had seen William going towards what she thought was daddys car,could she have seen the car comming up to the corner and William ran down that way instead of by the driveway

There are a couple of variables though aren't there; not only how long William was missing before he was missed, but also how long FFC was searching before MFC got home.

i would think the time would be a bit like the spider,just to catch someone out

 

[Tinker Taylor]

Ffc reported hearing a scream.

"I couldn't hear a thing, it was silent, there was no wind, no birds, all I could think of is, 'why can't I hear him? ... him? I can't hear a thing'," she told the court.

 

[JLZ]

i would think the time would be a bit like the spider,just to catch someone out

Putting out false information (about times) is different from keeping something back (the white spider, if that's what they did). Police can't afford to throw away what public trust they have.

 

[interested64]

"I couldn't hear a thing, it was silent, there was no wind, no birds, all I could think of is, 'why can't I hear him? ... him? I can't hear a thing'," she told the court.

fm said she had heard what she thought was a scream,a high pitch squeal which may have been birds she couldnt tell,this was after he had gone missing

 

[JLZ]

William would have been a bit ov er 2 and a half, I really don't think he would have remembered the way to the cemetery if it was at the time of the Grandfathers funeral.

I agree, I just wanted to partially support someone who was asked for a link, couldn't find it, and then seemed to be doubting whether he'd seen it at all.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

fm said she had heard what she thought was a scream,a high pitch squeal which may have been birds she couldnt tell,this was after he had gone missing

Yes, I think it was down the end of the Benaroon Drive near the bus stop where there was some reeds. She heard something that sounded like a scream but she also thought it might have been bird.

 

[Tinker Taylor]

I agree, I just wanted to partially support someone who was asked for a link, couldn't find it, and then seemed to be doubting whether he'd seen it at all.

We don't know how often they visited FGM after her husband had died. I would expect it was more than once prior to the time WT went missing. I would also expect that they would have visited the grave on each occasion. No MSM to back that up though, just normal behaviour.

 

[JLZ]

just a thought..if Williams sister had seen William going towards what she thought was daddys car,could she have seen the car comming up to the corner and William ran down that way instead of by the driveway

We speculated long ago that William was picked up from down there. As to the sister, I've wondered whether that was suggestion, first FFC telling the children to look out for daddy's car, and then someone--parents and/or police--asking if William saw a car and ran towards it. Some people don't like to contradict. I think it's only one source that said that was her evidence.

 

[JLZ]

We don't know how often they visited FGM after her husband had died. I would expect it was more than once prior to the time WT went missing. I would also expect that they would have visited the grave on each occasion. No MSM to back that up though, just normal behaviour.

Again FFC was vague--she said it was "really" the first time they'd been back since he died--as if there was at least one other occasion when they were there but not "really". Perhaps the funeral?

 

[Tinker Taylor]

This seems to be the MFC's evidence at the inquest:

"He left the house at around 9am on the morning of William’s disappearance, in his “fairly new” 4WD.

He told the court he needed to conduct a business meeting by Skype, in an area with a better internet connection.

He sent a text from the car shortly after 10am, saying he’d be home in five minutes.

He pulled into the drive, and his wife — William’s foster mum — asked him: “is William with you?”

He replied: “No, why would he be with me?”

When his wife said she couldn’t find the boy, he “very quickly” started moving.

“You didn’t stop and have a conversation with her about where she had already searched? Is there any reason for that?” said the counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock SC.

“I went the path of least resistance,” the man replied.

“I searched every day,” he said. “Every day. My wife and her mother stayed home (caring for William’s sister) I went every day.

“I had to do what I had to do. I had to keep searching.”

The court was shown an aerial scene, which showed the house in which William had been staying.

It is on a corner block, and set well back from the street.

The street becomes a dirt trail, which leads up to the local bush cemetery.

That trail is four wheel drive only.

“Did you believe that William was out there somewhere, and that you’d find him?” Mr Craddock said.

“I had hope. I had hope,” the man replied, but he didn’t believe so small a boy could negotiate the trail up to the cemetery.

“Did you search around the cemetery?”

“On several occasions.”
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So if this is correct, he was back around 10.05am according to this and WT was already missing! This is different to what we have heard so far.

He searched around the cemetery "on several occasions", so he was not as convinced as some people are that WT wouldn't have gone there.

 

[katydid23]

The point is that it wasn't their own property. It was the FGM' s semi-rural, unfenced property that backed on to a State Forest.

But he didn't wander off and get lost in the forest. She went to look for him minutes after she had heard him out front playing . If he had wandered off, then she or one of the neighbours would have found him. He didn't have a 15 minute head start to make it up to the bush.

There was no reason for her to imagine a pedophile was going to grab him and escape so quickly. It is very rare and not something we all expect when our kids are happily playing in grandmother's yard.

 

[katydid23]

PS has a swimming pool.

It was drained and had tin on top, I believe.

 

[Thebottomline]

"I couldn't hear a thing, it was silent, there was no wind, no birds, all I could think of is, 'why can't I hear him? ... him? I can't hear a thing'," she told the court.

Yes but you’re misssing the full report of what she actually said , just taking a snippet. Again I ask why are you questioning ffc, you do realise she’s the victim here aswell and has been cleared ?

 

[Chrissy74]

We don't know how often they visited FGM after her husband had died. I would expect it was more than once prior to the time WT went missing. I would also expect that they would have visited the grave on each occasion. No MSM to back that up though, just normal behaviour.

From memory and one time that I can confirm is fact was a few perhaps even just a couple of weeks prior the ff went to fgm and cleared the excess leaves and shrubs in the backyard. Ff also mentioned the ses being there at the time to help remove and tidy up areas of the backyard that I’m guessing was overgrown and unsafe. Having said that I can’t recall if fm and kids were there too but I do remember (could just be talk and not factual) that the foster family had gone up to fgm house a few times prior to that day and since the day of fg funeral

 

[KateM]

FM might be the type that doesn't wear a watch or clock watch... I would struggle to nominate a time if I were in her position. I don't think any one is sure what the "real time" his disappearance was.

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[Tinker Taylor]

Yes but you’re misssing the full report of what she actually said , just taking a snippet. Again I ask why are you questioning ffc, you do realise she’s the victim here aswell and has been cleared ?

There is no intent to blame either of the foster parents. I am trying to clarify some of the "known" facts that seem not to be as firm as some might think. The timing is the issue, and there seems to be quite a bit of leeway there.

 

[Thebottomline]

Again FFC was vague--she said it was "really" the first time they'd been back since he died--as if there was at least one other occasion when they were there but not "really". Perhaps the funeral?

What’s your point here though , I don’t get it whatever it is .

 

[KateM]

Why couldn't the FM remember exactly how long William had been missing for when the 000 operator asked her? She didn't reply.