Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[peekinandy]

I didn't.

Yes you did karinna. your words below. I have learnt you like to argue here - so if you try to argue your point I will ignore it - but you are basically suggesting he has "diminished capacity"

Your words - "If the man has some form of dementia/mental illness can anyone accuse him of being a liar when he is not acting in a normal capacity? A person that is mentally unwell can't be held responsible for their actions under those circumstances, because they have diminished capacity. You can't have it both ways."

No you can't Karinna

 

[stormyseas]

I agree this is a great post - what I have trouble with is BBM above

Jube's is intuitive yes, but he's no Psychiatrist or psychologist

But he was working closely with a police psychologist as far as I know?

 

[SouthAussie]

SouthAussie,

I agree, we don't know exactly what William's sister saw, thought, or said, or what she might have meant.

I'm sceptical about the recent report. As JLZ pointed out (thread 52, post 383), no other media outlet had picked up the story yesterday, and as far as I'm aware that's still true today.

I don't remember anyone saying they knew that William was placed into a vehicle, but during the police media interview in 2015 it was FFC who said that she had a vision about someone lifting William by his shoulders: thanks to Karinna for posting a quote earlier (thread 52, post 511).

NSW Police media interview, 17 April 2015, YouTube

I think it is highly likely that FMs 'vision' was a retell of what Lindsey saw. Lindsey has been very protected right from the get-go. And for good reason, to keep her safe.
FMs 'vision' may have been published to hint to the perp that the police know more than the perp thinks.

Unlike others, I think a lot of thought has gone into how, when and why snippets of real clues have been published. No-one but the perp would have known that was a real clue.

 

[peekinandy]

I sure hes had a lot of experience with all the people he has met along the way

Absolutely - but the degree to which we should base our facts on his assessment of PS's mental condition - I think we should be wary in some way. Don't get me wrong - I think he's like a dog with a bone - & that's awesome!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I agree this is a great post - what I have trouble with is BBM above

Jube's is intuitive yes, but he's no Psychiatrist or psychologist

You're right, Jubelin wouldn't know for sure, maybe, similarities to another person he's investigated? Picking up cues PS was irritated for in his opinion, no reason, accusing him of things he didn't say. It's not easy being questioned by police, it can be daunting.
Detective Moynihan interviewing BS was pretty intense. Jubelin has a calm and forthright manner.

 

[peekinandy]

But he was working closely with a police psychologist as far as I know?

yes that's true - before he made those comments, or after?

 

[Thebottomline]

When someone is classified as ill they could have a common cold or a terminal disease. It’s the same with being mentally ill. One could have slight depression or full blown psychotic episodes. I say this so the gun is not jumped into PS being an insane man when he may have something as common as a mild depression.

 

[peekinandy]

You're right, Jubelin wouldn't know for sure, maybe, similarities to another person he's investigated? Picking up cues PS was irritated for in his opinion, no reason, accusing him of things he didn't say. It's not easy being questioned by police, it can be daunting.
Detective Moynihan interviewing BS was pretty intense. Jubelin has a calm and forthright manner.

yeah I wouldn't dispute he has knowledge of mental health issues - just diagnostically - not so sure? This is so confusing...

 

[Karinna]

Yes you did karinna. your words below. I have learnt you like to argue here - so if you try to argue your point I will ignore it - but you are basically suggesting he has "diminished capacity"

Your words - "If the man has some form of dementia/mental illness can anyone accuse him of being a liar when he is not acting in a normal capacity? A person that is mentally unwell can't be held responsible for their actions under those circumstances, because they have diminished capacity. You can't have it both ways."

No you can't Karinna

My post was merely speculative from what has been reported from GJ's trial & what has been stated in MSM. I'm not claiming to know about any illness PS could have because i simply don't know. That information wasn't put out there by me personally, but by others on the case, and what everyone else is speculating about also. Hope that clarifies it for you.

 

[Karinna]

You're right, Jubelin wouldn't know for sure, maybe, similarities to another person he's investigated? Picking up cues PS was irritated for in his opinion, no reason, accusing him of things he didn't say. It's not easy being questioned by police, it can be daunting.
Detective Moynihan interviewing BS was pretty intense. Jubelin has a calm and forthright manner.

Is all the GJ & PS interview material out there for public consumption? I have only seen one small excerpt so far.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

None of us know much about PS at all IMO. And PS isn't a Suspect far as i know. Don't think he is even still classified as a POI?

Jubelin had a trial because of 4 illegal recordings he made of PS, he was a POI, we're going through Jubelin's reasons for investigating PS. I don't know why you're insisting this man has dementia or a severe mental illness. There are degrees of emotional instability which can govern what a person does in a crisis or how they break boundaries on a consistent basis etc. It's not all or nothing, there are areas of grey, and I believe Jubelin looks into the grey areas where others dismiss it or can't be bothered.

 

[peekinandy]

My post was merely speculative from what has been reported from GJ's trial & what has been stated in MSM. I'm not claiming to know about any illness PS could have because i simply don't know. That information wasn't put out there by me personally, but by others on the case, and what everyone else is speculating about also. Hope that clarifies it for you.

Merely speculate? You actually said it... that's it karinna, no more comments on this subject with you.. I appreciate your ability to test me though, always

edit to add - & test others. it's great to have various opinions

 

[Thebottomline]

Is all the GJ & PS interview material out there for public consumption? I have only seen one small excerpt so far.

I’m trying to access this too as it seems others here have read more

 

[Karinna]

Jubelin had a trial because of 4 illegal recordings he made of PS, he was a POI, we're going through Jubelin's reasons for investigating PS. I don't know why you're insisting this man has dementia or a severe mental illness. There are degrees of emotional instability which can govern what a person does in a crisis or how they break boundaries on a consistent basis etc. It's not all or nothing, there are areas of grey, and I believe Jubelin looks into the grey areas where others dismiss it or can't be bothered.

BBM, I'm only stating again what has been stated in MSM and the Trial. That information has been put out there in the public about PS having "mental illness".

 

[Karinna]

I’m trying to access this too as it seems others here have read more

Ok thanks.

 

[drsleuth]

Is all the GJ & PS interview material out there for public consumption? I have only seen one small excerpt so far.

Yes it is. 2 huge spreads in both Sunday papers , The Sunday Telegraph & the The Sun Herald. I bought both copies.

 

[stormyseas]

yes that's true - before he made those comments, or after?

As far as I recall, Dr Sarah Yule was part of SFR quite early on. IMO
William Tyrrell: inside the mind of a kidnapper

 

[SouthAussie]

yeah I wouldn't dispute he has knowledge of mental health issues - just diagnostically - not so sure? This is so confusing...

When a person is walking around with an A4 photo of his wife around his neck, there is probably a good possibility that they have gone off the rails for (at least) a period of time. imo

 

[Thebottomline]

Yes it is. 2 huge spreads in both Sunday papers , The Sunday Telegraph & the The Sun Herald. I bought both copies.

Do you know if it’s online , maybe time I bought a subscription

 

[deugirtni]

Something that worries me - is if PS was so distracted by the activity in the street, why did he look for a little while, then go home have a cup of tea... then no-one knows what he did for the next two hours? It's a bit strange...
edit typo

This is just my take on it, but I'm getting that PS answered the door to AMS when she came knocking at 11am, he immediately went out and joined them.. says he spoke to someone (FGM and the Crabbes?, but who knows? Perhaps he forgets who? I'm not sure on when exactly he was even asked who he spoke to? Was it that day? Was it two years later? Somewhere in between?), then went searching on his own for however long (I'm assuming he didn't time it, although GJ seems to have expected him to know exactly when and for how long he searched, and has been trying to pin him down)..

I believe PS thought he'd gone searching for an hour or so (so say 11am until noonish?)? But GJ insisted it was only a half hour (so 11-11:30am)? (Not sure how GJ would know this exact timing, but whatever?).. PS then comes home and makes his tea or whatever he does, maybe looks out onto the street to see all the activity.. and the next verifiable time that PS can say where he was *exactly*, is approx 1-1:30pm (so according to GJ's opinion of PS's timeline, that would be the 2 missing hours in between those times) when his wife's sibling arrives at his house. I think GJ is intimating that because PS can't say exact times, nor how long he searched exactly, nor remember exactly what he was doing between arriving back home and the arrival of his inlaws, he must have been up to nefarious activity, such as hiding a body or something?

I don't think it is actually a case of 'Ps was out in the bush for 2 hours and can't explain why'. I would love to know if all people in this case were scrutinized and held to account for exact times and activities and exact locations, like PS is expected to do (after the fact - not sure how long it was after the disappearance that PS was questioned in this regard?). imo.