Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

[Karinna]

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The recording captures Jubelin and Savage accusing each other of being untruthful at times during the investigation.

“You’re the one who started pushing me away, I’ve had you go through my house ... you just want to put sh** on me,” Savage said.

“You told me to plead guilty.”

Jubelin denies ever telling Savage to plead guilty


“Paul, you seriously need some (mental health) help,” he said.

Savage told Jubelin he had been speaking to a solicitor and had been instructed not to allow police onto his property without a warrant.
William Tyrrell disappearance: widower claims detective pushed him to plead guilty, court hears

 

[Thebottomline]

double post sorry

 

[Thebottomline]

Could also be a very attention seeking person. In regard to the sign worn around neck . Sorry posting is proving tedious for me today !

 

[Chrissy74]

Maybe jubes discovered where PS had been visiting and who with . Imo. Who his associates were. Looking beyond the actual abduction timeline. Go Jubes. The connections are mind blowing imo.

Just wondering if your profile pic is an actual pic of you because if it is has anyone told you that you have a striking resemblance to Gary Jubelin

 

[Chrissy74]

Do you mean connections between PS and others?

Perhaps this is where frank Abbott steps in

 

[peekinandy]

When a person is walking around with an A4 photo of his wife around his neck, there is probably a good possibility that they have gone off the rails for (at least) a period of time. imo

[/QUOTE]

Sure. But this was after William was taken... his wife's death could have tipped him off the rails, so to speak. I don't think he's particularly of sound mind given the AVO... but I wouldn't know the diagnosis - previous to his wife's death, or after

 

[peekinandy]

This is just my take on it, but I'm getting that PS answered the door to AMS when she came knocking at 11am, he immediately went out and joined them.. says he spoke to someone (FGM and the Crabbes?, but who knows? Perhaps he forgets who? I'm not sure on when exactly he was even asked who he spoke to? Was it that day? Was it two years later? Somewhere in between?), then went searching on his own for however long (I'm assuming he didn't time it, although GJ seems to have expected him to know exactly when and for how long he searched, and has been trying to pin him down)..

I believe PS thought he'd gone searching for an hour or so (so say 11am until noonish?)? But GJ insisted it was only a half hour (so 11-11:30am)? (Not sure how GJ would know this exact timing, but whatever?).. PS then comes home and makes his tea or whatever he does, maybe looks out onto the street to see all the activity.. and the next verifiable time that PS can say where he was *exactly*, is approx 1-1:30pm (so according to GJ's opinion of PS's timeline, that would be the 2 missing hours in between those times) when his wife's sibling arrives at his house. I think GJ is intimating that because PS can't say exact times, nor how long he searched exactly, nor remember exactly what he was doing between arriving back home and the arrival of his inlaws, he must have been up to nefarious activity, such as hiding a body or something?

I don't think it is actually a case of 'Ps was out in the bush for 2 hours and can't explain why'. I would love to know if all people in this case were scrutinized and held to account for exact times and activities and exact locations, like PS is expected to do (after the fact - not sure how long it was after the disappearance that PS was questioned in this regard?). imo.

totally agree!

 

[peekinandy]

Just wondering if your profile pic is an actual pic of you because if it is has anyone told you that you have a striking resemblance to Gary Jubelin

I had to laugh out loud It's great to have some light humour - yes? ps I can't see whangs pic!

 

[Whàngarei]

Just wondering if your profile pic is an actual pic of you because if it is has anyone told you that you have a striking resemblance to Gary Jubelin

Lol

 

[Karinna]

This is just my take on it, but I'm getting that PS answered the door to AMS when she came knocking at 11am, he immediately went out and joined them.. says he spoke to someone (FGM and the Crabbes?, but who knows? Perhaps he forgets who? I'm not sure on when exactly he was even asked who he spoke to? Was it that day? Was it two years later? Somewhere in between?), then went searching on his own for however long (I'm assuming he didn't time it, although GJ seems to have expected him to know exactly when and for how long he searched, and has been trying to pin him down)..

I believe PS thought he'd gone searching for an hour or so (so say 11am until noonish?)? But GJ insisted it was only a half hour (so 11-11:30am)? (Not sure how GJ would know this exact timing, but whatever?).. PS then comes home and makes his tea or whatever he does, maybe looks out onto the street to see all the activity.. and the next verifiable time that PS can say where he was *exactly*, is approx 1-1:30pm (so according to GJ's opinion of PS's timeline, that would be the 2 missing hours in between those times) when his wife's sibling arrives at his house. I think GJ is intimating that because PS can't say exact times, nor how long he searched exactly, nor remember exactly what he was doing between arriving back home and the arrival of his inlaws, he must have been up to nefarious activity, such as hiding a body or something?

I don't think it is actually a case of 'Ps was out in the bush for 2 hours and can't explain why'. I would love to know if all people in this case were scrutinized and held to account for exact times and activities and exact locations, like PS is expected to do (after the fact - not sure how long it was after the disappearance that PS was questioned in this regard?). imo.

Yeah who knows WTH is really going on in this case seeing as they dropped the ball on this case right from the get go?

 

[Whàngarei]

Perhaps this is where frank Abbott steps in

No

 

[Thebottomline]

No

TJ and associates ?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

(quote)
The recording captures Jubelin and Savage accusing each other of being untruthful at times during the investigation.

“You’re the one who started pushing me away, I’ve had you go through my house ... you just want to put sh** on me,” Savage said.

“You told me to plead guilty.”

Jubelin denies ever telling Savage to plead guilty


“Paul, you seriously need some (mental health) help,” he said.

Savage told Jubelin he had been speaking to a solicitor and had been instructed not to allow police onto his property without a warrant.
William Tyrrell disappearance: widower claims detective pushed him to plead guilty, court hears

Jubelin told PS to get professional help, he's probably shocked he's been accused of something he didn't say. PS could be a person that needs a witness to conversations because he reads into things, that's not a severe mental illness, it's actually quite common with anxiety, paranoia or personality disorders.
PS believed the postie was in love with him, she might have said, 'been nice chatting with you, have a nice day' and for him, it reads differently, it's a declaration of love. It's a obsessive type of personality. I'm just repeating myself.

 

[peekinandy]

No

Are you sure about that? .....

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes it is. 2 huge spreads in both Sunday papers , The Sunday Telegraph & the The Sun Herald. I bought both copies.

Actually Doc, not all of it is in those Articles.

There were 6 hours of recordings released, both with PS and Jubelin when he was interviewed. They were released by the Magistrate so there would be somewhere you could acquire them, probably from the court for a payment.

 

[Karinna]

Jubelin told PS to get professional help, he's probably shocked he's been accused of something he didn't say. PS could be a person that needs a witness to conversations because he reads into things, that's not a severe mental illness, it's actually quite common with anxiety, paranoia or personality disorders.
PS believed the postie was in love with him, she might have said, 'been nice chatting with you, have a nice day' and for him, it reads differently, it's a declaration of love. It's a obsessive type of personality. I'm just repeating myself.

And GJ was also accused at Trial by the Prosecutor for being untruthful to cover his own butt. So take your pick i guess.

 

[peekinandy]

Could also be a very attention seeking person. In regard to the sign worn around neck . Sorry posting is proving tedious for me today !

Funny you say that - histrionic is an old personality disorder in the DSM-V - not sure how it's been incorporated into other personality disorders since - but perhaps he was attention seeking? It's odd he goes into the post office crying too

 

[Karinna]

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But prosecutor Philip Hogan said that was an excuse Jubelin came up with after finding himself in hot water over his "entirely improper inquisition on a vulnerable old man".

Jubelin violated Mr Savage's rights in circumstances where he didn't care if he was breaking the law or not, he said.

Mr Hogan accused Jubelin, 57, of making speeches instead of answering questions, avoiding responsibility for his actions, shifting blame and being untruthful.

A decision to find Jubelin had a legitimate interest in recording the conversation would render "comprehensive frameworks" around privacy and police surveillance "completely useless", the prosecutor said.

"The defence that has been asserted simply doesn't exist. No individual police officer is above the law."

Magistrate Ross Hudson reserved his decision until April 6.

Tyrrell family blast police 'agendas'

 

[peekinandy]

Can anyone tell me when PS was muttering in the recordings about the white top? was it before or after he was told it was planted?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

And GJ was also accused at Trial by the Prosecutor for being untruthful to cover his own butt. So take your pick i guess.

the Prosecutor took Scott Cook at his word, others have said at trial he said what Jubelin claims he said.
Why do you think Jubelin taped PS? For nefarious reasons, to sell on ebay, because it's fun, he hasn't got anything better to do?!