Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[SouthAussie]

I was looking at this article yesterday, and thinking about the quote further back in the thread about a crime like this coming along once in a decade ….

10 missing child cases that changed the world
http://www.kidspot.com.au/10-missing-child-cases-that-changed-the-world/
(just click on the arrows next to the photos to view each of the 10 cases)

 

[deugirtni]

It is possible that MSM weren't aware of the other properties. It is possible that *those* neighbours didn't immediately call MSM if LE was spotted raiding homes. From memory, the only reason MSM became aware of Spedding's search(es) was thanks to another shopkeeper on the street when Spedding's commercial property was being searched, and from there, Spedding was on MSM's radar. MOO

This is biased of course, because it is coming from BS' son.



I would be very interested to know why details about these searches haven't been released, if that information is true. LE have always said that BS is not the only person of interest.

Could it be that the media is driving most of the frenzy against BS. Why hasn't MSM hounded the other people who have been investigated? If their houses were searched three times, surely it means something of significant caught the attention of the police.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...s-disappearance-son-says-20150303-13tz7u.html

 

[Tilikum]

MOO

Do you need to be milked?

 

[deugirtni]

Not only could it put WT's life at risk, if this is what is going on with him, but for LE to issue a warning saying they have discovered a ped ring is like giving them notice to burn their harddrives and computers, isn't it? I have only ever seen ped rings busted on a complete surprise sting operation where LE show up at various homes/locations and all are busted at once. To me, whomever is involved in this ring is already in custody, since I can't see police tipping them off like that, it defeats their entire purpose in running a secret investigation. Are the two things even connected? (ie the ped ring and WT's disappearance)?

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...-paedophile-ring/story-fnpn118l-1227309810576

BBM: This comment from Det-Insp Jubelin flies in the face of earlier MSM headlines that investigators believe that Willaim is still alive and being held by a paedophile ring.

I'm getting fed up with this ****! Announcing this supposed new found knowledge about the recently discovered paedophile ring that has connections to William's disappearance is very disturbing. The police do not normally operate in this way in regard to paedophile investigations IMO. To announce to the world that police are onto this particular paedophile ring would obviously make the members of this ring decidely nervous and if they have William, it could motivate any one of them into desperate action which could have fatal consequences for little William. These MSM reports are making me very angry. So is this just media sensationalism or have the police investigators dropped the bag? Either way I'm mighty pissed off right now!

 

[deugirtni]

Due to the lack of conversation allowed in this thread from the beginning, you have undoubtedly missed a lot. You need to look elsewhere for information.

bbm - Sorry can you explain this please - what do we know about the extended Tyrrell family? Not a challenge, I just think I have missed something.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if (based on the pic) WT is left handed?

I find this weird.. in this article it talks about William drawing a picture "moments before his disappearance." However the photograph pictured with that caption does not look to be at a home…. it looks like a club or restaurant doesn't it, with all the other set tables in the background. Unless their idea of "moments" is different to mine…

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...me-in-on-paedophile-ring-20150417-1mnhf3.html

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[deugirtni]

I wonder if LE even bothered to ask for CCTV footage for this McD's.

The stop at McDonald's on Thursday is a possible lead. It might be the sort of place a pedophile or procurer would hang about looking for kids. Perhaps someone there targeted William and/or sister, followed the family to grandmother's, noted the address, and came back the next morning hoping for an opportunity to pick up a victim.

 

[deugirtni]

Link?

Timeline of Bill Spedding on September 12, 2014

10.30am??? Coffee with Margaret at Cafe Buzz in Laurieton???? Any witnesses?

12 noon School Assembly (Was school opposite coffee shop?)

One and a half hours is a long time to spend with your wife over coffee!!!

Grandmother tried to phone him. Spedding tried to phone her back but phone was busy but there was no trace of these calls on his mobile, police said.

 

[butterstick]

The sudden wave of WT images, of him smiling and being happy, the videos, and the emotional pleas from the family... really highlights one thing:

Police think/hope an innocent person may be sitting on information, and they are going in very strong trying to get that person to crack and do the right thing.

This is why they clearly stated that complicity in the crime is a crime itself. So the only decent thing to do is to come forward.

To me this doesn't mean they know this person exists. Or that WT was definitely taken by pedo. They have just reached a point where they feel they need to put pressure on those people if they do exist. That any previous perceived risk around that is a risk worth taking.

Worst case scenario is that it is a loner and not working in a group. I still find it hard to believe groups exists, beyond stupid online file sharing (which is bad enough yes, but far from a group of united criminals. I mean, how would these people even meet?! So weird and lame.)

Police are still talking about several lines of enquiry. That's what I'm holding on to.

 

[lampshade1]

I still think it might be possible someone accidentally ran into him after turning the sharp corner.

WT could of appeared in the driveway, which you wouldn't see until the last minute due to the trees.

If you were, say, a handyman who had visited the house before, you might speed around the corner to get up the slope.

BS vehicles were examined though. If there was evidence of an accident then the forensics would have found it. Likewise if William had been inside the vehicle(s).

The fact that presumably forensics didn't find anything of the sort (as otherwise BS would be in jail by now) sort of rules out the theory in my opinion. I am still not convinced BS is/was involved.

 

[deugirtni]

The *point* is, it all depends on what you want to believe, which media report you want to trust, how badly you want the perp to be Mr. S. etc. It seems obvious to me, imho, that a certain *someone* was making his rounds, calling in complaints about Mr. S. In case anyone isn't aware, it is as common as weeds in summer for bio parents to call in complaints about those who control the day-to-day care of their children.

I believe, imoo, that the FACS inquiry and the crimestoppers 'tip' police received are from one and the same person. The results of the person's complaint to FACS likely weren't satisfactory to the complainant, and so he/she went on to call in a different tip to Crimestoppers, likely after hearing a story about how BS was supposed to deliver a part that day. Perfect. Gotcha.

And if police have really nothing else in the way of leads for this case (even though they say BS isn't the only POI, and they're also looking at other avenues, and etc.), to clear him would be akin to saying, 'we've really got nothing', which clearly they don't want people to think. Perhaps that is why they are now referencing their investigation into this pedo ring, which to me seems unrelated and having been going on for a long time. All MOO.

This news article was written January 24, 2015

The children were this week taken away by Department of Community Services workers. Youngberry says they were staying with other relatives and that the kids were removed only to shield them from the intense media scrutiny.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/suspicion-torments-nsw-community-as-police-probe-toddlers-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854

This news article was written January 28, 2015

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph last week, Mr Spedding said he and his wife were distressed at the involvement of FACS.

“It was an unrelated issue that’s been adversely affected by the William Tyrell activity,” he said.

.....

Following a call from CrimeStoppers, the homicide squad turned their attention on Mr Spedding in mid--December without knowing about the December 9 FACS inquiry.

.....

Police have investigated some *alleged inconsistencies in what he told them about his movements on September 12 but have stressed the search of Mr Spedding’s home and business was just one line of inquiry and not a breakthrough in the baffling case.
http://www.news.com.au/national/family-services-quizzed-person-of-interest-children-were-removed-from-tradesman-bill-speddings-care/story-fncynjr2-1227198878302

The *point* is, the children were apparently removed due to the FACS investigation.

However, detectives were unaware of the FACS questioning, which resulted in three young people being taken from the home.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hildren-removed-care-time-police-swooped.html

 

[SouthAussie]

The *point* is, it all depends on what you want to believe ...

RSBM

Thank you deugirtni. No need to respond to my posts any more. We will have to agree to disagree, I think.

 

[Brightbird]

Why would police want to publicly point the finger at BS if they truly had nothing? I don't see what purpose it serves to let the public think that police are on track, and that it involves a pedo 'ring' and possibly BS, if none of it were true. It doesn't make sense as a strategy vs. coming clean and saying we think he was abducted by a stranger but we've got no clue. A highly visible campaign with pictures of William everywhere, but the truth that police don't know what happened, would be more effective than spinning some story around a washing machine repairman as people are now going to think, okay, the police know what's happening and don't need my tidbit of information.

 

[Manny83]

I believe, imoo, that the FACS inquiry and the crimestoppers 'tip' police received are from one and the same person. The results of the person's complaint to FACS likely weren't satisfactory to the complainant, and so he/she went on to call in a different tip to Crimestoppers, likely after hearing a story about how BS was supposed to deliver a part that day. Perfect. Gotcha.

If that's the case, that someone just wanted to cause Spedding trouble, why would they wait 3 months after the disappearance to dob him in?

 

[deugirtni]

I'm not sure how it all works with the pedo culture, but.. isn't it a group of perves that share photos.. videos.. some disgusting acts involving the child, and then.. what do they do with said child? Just keep battering him? For weeks, months, years? In other cases, isn't the child taken by a pedo usually killed when the perp is finished doing whatever horrible things? And if that happens, isn't the body usually found? If it is a ped ring, do they instead sell the child? To whom? A couple who wants a child? Another pedo? I can't imagine that a person so toughened and with such little regard for human life, with zeor compassion for a child's wellbeing, would be jarred by guilt when seeing cute, smiling photos. And ditto for anyone who would know about this going on? MOO

The sudden wave of WT images, of him smiling and being happy, the videos, and the emotional pleas from the family... really highlights one thing:

Police think/hope an innocent person may be sitting on information, and they are going in very strong trying to get that person to crack and do the right thing.

This is why they clearly stated that complicity in the crime is a crime itself. So the only decent thing to do is to come forward.

To me this doesn't mean they know this person exists. Or that WT was definitely taken by pedo. They have just reached a point where they feel they need to put pressure on those people if they do exist. That any previous perceived risk around that is a risk worth taking.

Worst case scenario is that it is a loner and not working in a group. I still find it hard to believe groups exists, beyond stupid online file sharing (which is bad enough yes, but far from a group of united criminals. I mean, how would these people even meet?! So weird and lame.)

Police are still talking about several lines of enquiry. That's what I'm holding on to.

 

[lampshade1]

You could be right. LE may have nothing to lose by announcing the ring.

I think I remember reading (here I think although also in the mainstream media) not long after the that there was a similar ring broken up/arrested in the north coast area in the months before WT disappeared.

So this ring spoke of in the media over the past few days that the police say they have discovered, is it part of the previous ring or is it totally different? My guess is it is probably an extension of the previous one as to think that there were two different groups within a year in that area is frightening.

Perhaps Jubelin and his team have found more members of the original ring that the original investigating police missed/couldn't get.

E.g. if the leads in the WT case have gone cold then it wouldn't surprise me if Jubelin and his team had started from scratch at looking at the ring case from a few months earlier to see if the original police had missed anything there and which might be of use to the WT case.

 

[deugirtni]

Well... think about the timing. The FACS complaint/inquiry came on December 9th. .. right at the time when people are thinking about Christmas? And Christmas brings thoughts of 'home', and 'family', etc. Then nothing happens with that. This person that I am thinking about, may not necessarily speak to the Speddings all that regularly, based on some nastier comments I read previously on the person's FB, which have now been deleted. The person could have eventually learned about BS's expected repair of the washing machine on that very same day. I would imagine that any repairman who had been supposed to visit that home around that day, might be telling people he knows, 'hey do you know I was supposed to be there that day, fixing their furnace (washingmachine, whatever)'. It's something to talk about, right, considering the story was allllll over the news? From there.. people tell other people, etc... 'hey do you know that BS guy? apparently he was supposed to... ' MOO

If that's the case, that someone just wanted to cause Spedding trouble, why would they wait 3 months after the disappearance to dob him in?

 

[deugirtni]

MOO is an acronym for 'my own opinion', in case you were unaware.

Do you need to be milked?

 

[lampshade1]

bbm - Sorry can you explain this please - what do we know about the extended Tyrrell family? Not a challenge, I just think I have missed something.

As stereotyping them, they don't give the appearance to be friendly people you would want to be alone with in a dark alley if you don't know them. Think 'Housos' tv show etc.

 

[Manny83]

Well... think about the timing. The FACS complaint/inquiry came on December 9th. .. right at the time when people are thinking about Christmas? And Christmas brings thoughts of 'home', and 'family', etc. Then nothing happens with that. This person that I am thinking about, may not necessarily speak to the Speddings all that regularly, based on some nastier comments I read previously on the person's FB, which have now been deleted. The person could have eventually learned about BS's expected repair of the washing machine on that very same day. I would imagine that any repairman who had been supposed to visit that home around that day, might be telling people he knows, 'hey do you know I was supposed to be there that day, fixing their furnace (washingmachine, whatever)'. It's something to talk about, right, considering the story was allllll over the news? From there.. people tell other people, etc... 'hey do you know that BS guy? apparently he was supposed to... ' MOO

True. I think I know about the nasty comments too, makes sense if it fits
So it could be some kind of revenge act? If that's the case, I would sincerely hope there's a chance that pedophiles may not be involved?

That, or BS is not involved at all and it was just a very scorned person wanting to stir trouble but given the apparent nature of others possibly involved, I would doubt it's the latter