Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[jigzy]

I wonder if the school presentation was quite a big event; the kind that many parents dutifully attend. If so, then the cafe across the road could quite possibly have been busy that morning, serving those attending the school's event - I know, as a parent, that I'd want to grab a take-out coffee rather than endure school coffee.

I would only find the cafe owner Lisa's non-alibi relevant in this instance, if she was the only member of staff serving that morning. If others were serving too, particularly members of cafe staff who did not know WS previously, then whether Lisa herself saw him is not particularly telling, either way. Jmo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-nervous-breakdown-thanks-family-support.html

 

[lampshade1]

SD - if you view the cafe's Facebook page there are quite a few photos. Turns out it's for sale too. Around November 24 there is a photo of chairs and tables outside - and you can see Laurieton school directly across from it.

Capricorn Meadow - I noticed the media had gone quiet too. It was plastered all over the media during the days of the search... then nothing (except for the ABC program last night.)

There is also a small photo on their website of the Laurieton cafe (it seems the owners also own two others nearby with similar names).

The photo of the 33 degrees temperature sign certainly puts things in perspective as to just how small the town is...

 

[Makara]

There are three pics of Cafe Buzz Laurieton at the link below. It's quite a small cafe with only about eight tables.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/port...-sale/cafe-buzz-laurieton-for-sale/1072305312

 

[inspector rex]

When I looked at the satellite picture of the area, I could see lots of tracks through the bush. One looks like it leads to the Cemetery. Here is a link to a story that confirms that it is a well known track in the neighbourhood. Also, William's grandfather passed away <modsnip>

"Neighbours said a walking trail, dubbed the &#8220;bush track&#8221; by local children, starts at the end of Benaroon Drive, where William disappeared almost four months ago, and leads through the scrubland into the nearby Kendall cemetery.

Supt Paul Fehon, who is one of the leading investigators in the three-year-old&#8217;s disappearance, confirmed police had considered the track could be relevant to the case, but so far had not found any evidence to suggest it was used."
[snip]
"It was not the first time the family had visited Kendall, but their visits had become more frequent in recent months after William&#8217;s grandfather died earlier in the year."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne.../story-fnpn118l-1227173646506#social-comments

<modsnip>

"If you take out the small dirt track off Benaroon Drive, which winds several hundred metres up to a cemetery where William's grandfather is buried, or another dirt track that meanders up another side of a ridge, the street is the only way in and out."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html

 

[sosocurious]

There has been mention in msn that BS was in Dunbogan both in the morning and the afternoon.

BS and MS had coffee at the Buzz cafe and then went to school presentation.
Colin said that "Investigators were not aware of this detail before they questioned BS this week."

I am wondering if in BS initial interview with police he said he was at Dunbogan doing a job, at the crucial time?

But as the police started to look at him more closely (be it, crime stoppers tip off or the progress of the investigation)

It was discovered he was not where he said he was until the afternoon or not at all.

If there is a receipt for coffees at 10:00am - That does not automatically place BS there, unless someone other then MS or something such as CCTV can confirm.

MS could have purchased those coffees and BS have been 10 kms away. imo
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sub...isappeared/story-e6frg6nf-1227193861228&memty

 

[Angeline]

This comment really makes me think there are others involved:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4192949.htm

MICHAEL WILLING, NSW POLICE HOMICIDE SQUAD: At its very highest, he's a person of interest, but he's not the only line of inquiry, and I want to stress that: he is not the only line of inquiry. There is a lot of information that we're working through with this case.

"I want to stress that"...

 

[spiritualdreaming]

This comment really makes me think there are others involved:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4192949.htm



"I want to stress that"...

Yep it's highly stressed and poor BS

 

[inspector rex]

There's a good possibility that whoever was involved was not necessarily in Benaroon Dr and could have been at the Cemetery, in the bushland or in an area adjoining the bushland.

 

[truth is out there]

Would it be unusual to be a first time offender in your 60's? If BS has a clean record otherwise - what would drive him to do this? To be a POI - what is the criteria? Would it be purely on inconsistencies in his statements? I'm just thinking out loud here!

For instance - if I was the repairman - and I was busy with my work - would I remember the detail of who rang who? Would I remember exact times of where I was? I'm just thinking, for example, if someone queried me about what time I called in at the post office two days ago - I honestly can't remember what time it was - maybe 11 or 12. Would someone remember if I was there? I know the people in there - but I don't imagine they would remember the time I was in.... If the police were questioning me - and I said I was there at 11 - and then they said - no your phone says you were 20 km further south - I would then say, oh I got the time wrong - I must have still been in town then - and it would be purely a matter of taking no notice of the time and just guessing - so would that make me a POI in crime committed - say - a kidnapping outside the PO for instance.

So..... surely there is a lot more to this than some inconsistencies in coffee/school etc. - to get a search warrant, would there have had to be more reasons.

 

[sosocurious]

MICHAEL WILLING, NSW POLICE HOMICIDE SQUAD: At its very highest, he's a person of interest, but he's not the only line of inquiry, and I want to stress that: he is not the only line of inquiry. There is a lot of information that we're working through with this case.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4192949.htm

Insp Gary Jubelin - Head of Strike Force Rosann

"Sex crimes have been bought in because were exploring all avenues of the matter and they're bringing certain skills and expertise in relation to certain lines of inquiry we are pursuing."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...yrrell-detective/story-e6frg6nf-1227224743038

I agree Truth I think there is a lot more to this than inconsistencies in alibi ... I am curious to know just how many other persons of interest there might be. IMO

 

[they'll get you]

When you are working to a diarised schedule it is easier to map everything you do & where you were at approximate times.
In business there are accounts at petrol stations, payment for parts because all payments are usually tracked & kept.

 

[they'll get you]

The question was how could someone commit his first crime at 60?

Could BS be suffering an early form of dementia? Many men's (& women) personalities change into someone unrecognisable to their loved ones....intermittently?
Wow just visit a nursing home.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was looking at the Laurieton School activities for 12th September last year. They were doing Jump Rope for Heart that afternoon. They were also having a 'whole school' assembly on the following Wednesday (17th) at 12:00, and everyone was invited.

Newsletter:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...4_1410324827387.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

On the 12th September they had a stage assembly. There are (15) cached gallery pics in a different link showing some of the children at the assembly showing off certificate awards. Seems as though it was a regular school assembly.

One thing that I had noticed in their calendar entries for this year is that their regular assemblies are held on Fridays at 10:30am, and they seem to be held fortnightly. I wonder if Spedding&#8217;s mate Colin was mistaken with some things he told the media?

It just seems that a 10:30 assembly would make more sense, if you were having a coffee across the road at 10am.

None of it makes any more sense of things though ... because if Spedding was at a 10:30 assembly he would have an airtight alibi.

http://www.laurieton-p.schools.nsw.edu.au/home

 

[they'll get you]

CRIKEY what am I searching here???!!! :gaah:


Brain tumour causes uncontrollable paedophilia

The sudden and uncontrollable paedophilia exhibited by a 40-year-old man was caused by an egg-sized brain tumour, his doctors have told a scientific conference. And once the tumour had been removed, his sex-obsession disappeared.

Massage parlours

The man, a schoolteacher, began secretly visiting child web sites and soliciting prostitutes at massage parlours, activities he had not engaged in previously. Swerdlow says while the man felt that his new behaviour was unacceptable, "in his words, the 'pleasure principle' overrode his restraint".

When the man's wife found out he had made subtle sexual advances towards young children, he was legally evicted from his house, found guilty of child molestation and medicated for paedophilia.

The judge ruled that he had to pass a 12-step Sexaholics Anonymous rehabilitation program or face jail time. But the man was expelled after he failed to restrain himself from asking women at the program for sex.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2943-brain-tumour-causes-uncontrollable-paedophilia.html

 

[Angeline]

Re Spedding's alibi and what we know of LE's interest of him, it has come from Colin. There could be alot he doesn't know. Maybe Spedding only told him innocent sounding stuff... and as for remembering where he was that day, yes it wouldn't be easy but at the same time it became a high profile case pretty quickly.

Here's an interesting article about the work that the NSW Sex Crimes squad do. There's some stuff in there that I recognise them doing in William's case. Seizing laptops, looking at car models and number plates, looking at plants in photographs and narrowing down search areas (I don't know if plants were looked at in William's case but it's possible.

Just a warning that there's some uncomfortable reading in the article.


the NSW Sex Crimes Squad, is expected to be good at what it does: the state&#8217;s worst cases come here and they&#8217;re often solved; this squad has a conviction rate of more than 90 per cent of cases that make it to court. http://m.theaustralian.com.au/life/...ld-sex-offenders/story-e6frg8h6-1227078787836

I want to know, do cases only get referred to the squad if officers know it's that sort of crime, or can they call on them to help with their resources?

I feel dreadful for William's family. From thinking your boy is lost in the bush to sex crimes squads and searches in bushland. It would be beyond their worst nightmares.

 

[butterstick]

The level of panic around child abuse does seem to be distorting the possibilities here.

(I'm not saying child abuse isn't likely, or it isn't an issue in society.... but there is a good handful of other possibilities behind WTs disappearance).

 

[SouthAussie]

Wish we knew what those other possibilities were. Because 6 months is a long time for someone who wanted a child of someone else's to raise and get away with it. And all the family have been cleared of any involvement. And the Sex Crimes Squad are still very involved. We seem to be all out of other ideas.


Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, confirmed all of William&#8217;s family members had been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance, pointing the finger at an opportunistic stranger.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lys-web-of-grief/story-fni0cx12-1227233826218

 

[they'll get you]

The level of panic around child abuse does seem to be distorting the possibilities here.

(I'm not saying child abuse isn't likely, or it isn't an issue in society.... but there is a good handful of other possibilities behind WTs disappearance).

Other than the topics we can't speak about here, what are the handful of other possibilities?
We've covered known persons, neighbours, mailman, delivery drivers, wild dogs and barren women.
Please help me out?

 

[Rissa1978]

I was looking at the Laurieton School activities for 12th September last year. They were doing Jump Rope for Heart that afternoon. They were also having a 'whole school' assembly on the following Wednesday (17th) at 12:00, and everyone was invited.

Newsletter:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...4_1410324827387.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

On the 12th September they had a stage assembly. There are (15) cached gallery pics in a different link showing some of the children at the assembly showing off certificate awards. Seems as though it was a regular school assembly.

One thing that I had noticed in their calendar entries for this year is that their regular assemblies are held on Fridays at 10:30am, and they seem to be held fortnightly. I wonder if Spedding’s mate Colin was mistaken with some things he told the media?

It just seems that a 10:30 assembly would make more sense, if you were having a coffee across the road at 10am.

None of it makes any more sense of things though ... because if Spedding was at a 10:30 assembly he would have an airtight alibi.

http://www.laurieton-p.schools.nsw.edu.au/home

the schools calendar has the stage assemblies listed from 9:30 until 3:00
http://www.laurieton-p.schools.nsw.edu.au/calendar/-/calendar/view/month/7-9-2014

 

[inspector rex]

How likely does it seem that someone with such a 'complicated family history' suddenly disappears and these two things are totally unrelated?

If it was anyone else but a child, would we initially suspect a stranger?