Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 8

[Tigerlily75]

Not looking good for Bill Spedding.

I see a lot of people take the term pedophile ring to mean something akin to organised trafficking, or hostage situations. Whilst trafficking undoubtedly exists and there have been many instances of systematic and widespread abuse of children in places like schools and orphanages, if a pedophile ring is exposed here I don't think it will be of that ilk. I would say most pedophile rings that occur in the "real" vs virtual world, that you hear of in the media, are a smallish group of men who abuse vulnerable children they have ready access to. There will be others enabling or turning a blind eye. I would imagine often this "ring" includes adult family members and friends, and the organisation amounts to sharing access, versus any kidnapping and prostitution.

What does this mean for William? I don't think he was kidnapped to be held hostage in an organised ring with a "leader", which has real estate to hold him. If a random person snatches him for deviant sexual reasons, the more people that know that person has that predilicition the better the chance of catching him.

The others will be absolutely producing bricks, if you get my drift. Once it starts to unravel it will all come out.

I agree, that and I take a pedophile ring to mean a group of people, usually online theses days, who share and swap material (photos, videos, etc). They're not a ring of kidnappers usually, kids don't randomly go missing at the hands of strangers very often at all, at least not in Australia. I would say most of their material is sourced from elsewhere, and/or they're abusing kids they have access to - relatives, family friends, students, etc. A member of this particular ring, perhaps of his own accord or with others, in this instance may have decided to grab a child, being William Tyrrell. Perhaps they were lacking access, couldn't control their urges, who knows. Ugh I feel sick thinking about it.

 

[SouthAussie]

1987 and "5 times" are very specific aren't they. You wouldn't think a child would remember that. My kids are a similar age and don't yet have the concept of time sussed out. Perhaps there was a particular time frame, like a holiday/vacation or some other occasion when this happened.

The older child would have just started school that year. Maybe that gave her a frame of reference ... for both children.

 

[GGE]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/272...cted-to-be-charged-with-child-sex-offenses/'/

I see I have like 13 pages to catch up on. But this seems quite likely to be the most important thing that has happened in those 13 pages -
"William Spedding arrested over child sex offences"

"The 63-year-old was taken to the Port Macquarie Police Station where he is being questioned by police about the alleged sexual assaults of two girls, aged three and six, in 1987 in Sydney."

So for others just coming in and seeing nothing but posts asking people to stop bickering, and think all dozen pages are likely not worth reading - looks like something DID happen overnight! Now, back to catching u p... should take me about 4 hours.. yeesh LOL

 

[russian_doll]

He was taken to the Port Macquarie Police Station where he was charged with five counts of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 10 years, and two counts of common assault.

The State Crime Command investigators allege the offences were committed against two girls, aged three and six, in 1987 in Sydney’s Campbelltown area.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...ding-reports-say/story-fns0kb1g-1227315253705

oh dear........

 

[GGE]

The article says that the shirt in the drain was unrelated. I just don't believe it.

SBM - I agree. Yesterday we all wondered "why now", with the mention of a shirt stuck in a pipe in MSM. Now we know "why now". Because THIS was coming.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Son Rodney Spedding and his wife Aimy told Fairfax Media they would fully support Mr Spedding after hearing the news of his arrest on Wednesday.

"These are fresh allegations and we don't believe them to be true," the pair said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/person-of...xually-abusing-two-girls-20150422-1mr56g.html

Strange wording "fresh allegations" as in these are new but there has been old ones? Unless he is referring to William

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I wouldn't bother reading it all GGE. Literally the only thing that's happened overnight is the arrest.

 

[KinderedSpirits]

Not looking good for Bill Spedding.

I see a lot of people take the term pedophile ring to mean something akin to organised trafficking, or hostage situations. Whilst trafficking undoubtedly exists and there have been many instances of systematic and widespread abuse of children in places like schools and orphanages, if a pedophile ring is exposed here I don't think it will be of that ilk. I would say most pedophile rings that occur in the "real" vs virtual world, that you hear of in the media, are a smallish group of men who abuse vulnerable children they have ready access to. There will be others enabling or turning a blind eye. I would imagine often this "ring" includes adult family members and friends, and the organisation amounts to sharing access, versus any kidnapping and prostitution.

What does this mean for William? I don't think he was kidnapped to be held hostage in an organised ring with a "leader", which has real estate to hold him. If a random person snatches him for deviant sexual reasons, the more people that know that person has that predilicition the better the chance of catching him.

The others will be absolutely producing bricks, if you get my drift. Once it starts to unravel it will all come out.

Does anyone know why the 3 children (MS's grandchildren) were removed from the home? The articles weren't very specific about the details, but I have always found that bit of information unsettling. Now with these new charges, makes the timing of removing "vulnerable" children from their home a bit too coincidental...! I have a feeling there will be a solid case against BS, even though the information is not made public yet.

 

[ozazure]

1987 and "5 times" are very specific aren't they. You wouldn't think a child would remember that. My kids are a similar age and don't yet have the concept of time sussed out. Perhaps there was a particular time frame, like a holiday/vacation or some other occasion when this happened.

In other cases, I have noticed they sometimes only bring charges for particular incidents during a period of abuse. So the victim might remember the context of one incident that can be corroborated some way, so that's what they go with.

 

[GGE]

Hey, that took me AGES to make, on my phone, as I don't have a PC.

I put alot of work into it, as my heart goes out to this lil bloke.

Thank you for your time and effort. I said something similar once in a thread for Adrienne in AZ... because she had been foudn dead and a poster was made in tribute but the filter, to me, looked like flecks of dirt on her face which brought to mind an image of her buried with dirt thrown on her. I dint' explain my remark when I quoted it and commented "I really hate this picture".. I obviously upset the person who made it and I absolutely DID NOT mean to, it was simply a gut reaction to "I don't like that looking at this image brings to mind something that I feel ill-prepared to accept or deal with". I hope you didn't take too much offense.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

FYI ..... Here is the link on how to become a verified professional.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r the difference between a POI and a suspect.

 

[GGE]

Still just catching up and I just cannot help but comment on this... quite literally said out loud upon reading this "oh my God".

"Mr Spedding, 63, was taken to Port Macquarie Police Station by detectives shortly after 1.30pm today. Later tonight, police charged the tradesman with five counts of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 10 years, and two counts of common assault.

State Crime Command investigators allege the offences were committed against two girls, aged three and six, in 1987 in Sydney’s Campbelltown area.

Mr Spedding has been refused bail and will face Port Macquarie Local Court tomorrow morning."


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...r-missing-william-tyrrell#gOjlKjH0zdDCVuM1.99

 

[Jennibee]

Could someone please run the shirt in drainpipe thing by me please? It's took me all morning to catch up :/

TIA


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[ceecee30]

1987 and "5 times" are very specific aren't they. You wouldn't think a child would remember that. My kids are a similar age and don't yet have the concept of time sussed out. Perhaps there was a particular time frame, like a holiday/vacation or some other occasion when this happened.

My house burned down when I was four, I can vividly remember the experiences I had during those times.

Trauma (and these girls went through far worse trauma than I did with a house fire) does tend to stick in the brain although specifics and dates may be fuzzy I don't doubt they would remember most of the memory surrounding the actual incidents of abuse, much in the same way I can remember certain events, outcomes and memories of the fire

 

[ozazure]

I just heard about the tshirt/plumber thing today, was it only recently released? That'd be interesting if it was written about on the tails of William's mother confirming he wore a specfic shirt under the suit that day.

Looking at the news, it's all recent bar a quote from his niece in January. Wonder if that was a coincidence or on her mind because she had knowledge of the plumber issue which may have contributed to him becoming a POI? http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-for-missing-boy/story-fni0cx12-1227192659824

 

[truth is out there]

One of my friends had a call from the police and social services recently, saying they were concerned that someone had access to her children who might hurt them. She was flummoxed, but finally found out this relative, an in-law, had been accused of sexually assaulting his step children when they were teenagers. Nothing was done at the time but 20 years later the case went to court when the stepchildren were in their 30's, he was found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Fast forward another 10 years and one of these stepchildren (now in her 40's) looked up my friend on FB and saw she had young children and was worried history could repeat itself and called the police.

That took longer to explain that I thought, but what I'm trying to say is I guess victims of abuse might hold in their bad memories until they become parents themselves, or realise the person that hurt them could hurt the next generation.

You are right - I've been reading research papers on the effects of childhood abuse - not just sexual abuse - but emotional as well. The results are horrific. In these extreme cases of sexual abuse the child's brain will just block out the event/s - so it is not unusual for victims to come forward so long after the incident. As for these horrible pedo rings and human trafficking - I cannot begin to imagine what this must do to a child. If they survive being kept prisoner they then have a lifetime of therapy - how do you trust anyone again...

 

[GGE]

And if my husband had just been led away by the cops for THAT crime, the last people I would be screaming at would be the media. He'd be lucky if he got to the car without a bat to the head.

SBM - I'd be swearing like a sailor for my husband to GTFO and expect to hear from my lawyer regarding the divorce that is about to ream him nine ways to sideways. Then I'd ask MSM in for coffee and conversation so I could make darn sure that media far and wide let people know to talk to their children, re-evaluate their past 30 years worth of interactions, and come forward if they have ANY suspicions about my now-estranged-and-soon-to-be-ex-husband. JMO!

 

[Cleaver Greene]

In a link posted earlier, and I'll post it again. Spedding will be refused bail. That's pretty serious, right? I know the allegations are serious, but don't they take into consideration a range of things before refusing bail? E.g. likelihood of skipping the country, danger to the community, etc. Has anyone ever heard of someone being refused bail for "historical" offences?

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...of-bill-spedding-over-missing-william-tyrrell

The intense media hounding and his link to this case could be grounds for thinking that he might have reason to abscond if he was granted bail. His case is very different to an unknown person charged with historical offences.

 

[Adrianna]

My house burned down when I was four, I can vividly remember the experiences I had during those times.

Trauma (and these girls went through far worse trauma than I did with a house fire) does tend to stick in the brain although specifics and dates may be fuzzy I don't doubt they would remember most of the memory surrounding the actual incidents of abuse, much in the same way I can remember certain events, outcomes and memories of the fire

I agree and i have very clear memories of some things that happened to me when i was 4

 

[Tilikum]

Thank you for your time and effort. I said something similar once in a thread for Adrienne in AZ... because she had been foudn dead and a poster was made in tribute but the filter, to me, looked like flecks of dirt on her face which brought to mind an image of her buried with dirt thrown on her. I dint' explain my remark when I quoted it and commented "I really hate this picture".. I obviously upset the person who made it and I absolutely DID NOT mean to, it was simply a gut reaction to "I don't like that looking at this image brings to mind something that I feel ill-prepared to accept or deal with". I hope you didn't take too much offense.

I understand, but I made them for William, for his family, and anyone else whose heart is breaking for this lil bloke.

That's why I'm putting them back.