Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #78

[JLZ]

I don’t want to be “right” but I do want the timeline to be correct .…

Can you direct me to Doc’s post about FA being interviewed in 2018 about RP please …. As I don’t appear to have that bookmarked …

I can't remember how to do those links any more but it's post 124 of this thread.

 

[SLouTh]

I can't remember how to do those links any more but it's post 124 of this thread.

Thanks … Here is the link …

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That Police interview with FA by Dingle was about TJ …. (Not RP)


I think we would all like to know when RP first came into the picture …

IMO

 

[JLZ]

Thanks … Here is the link …

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That Police interview with FA by Dingle was about TJ …. (Not RP)


I think we would all like to know when RP first came into the picture …

IMO

He said he took a trip with RP and they met two men with a boy about 7 . . . then he walked it back, he wasn't sure. One called Jones, yes, but RP was there!

 

[SLouTh]

He said he took a trip with RP and they met two men with a boy about 7 . . . then he walked it back, he wasn't sure. One called Jones, yes, but RP was there!

Fair call …. But I took it as FA trying to implicate TJ in William’s disappearance … (rather than RP …..)

FA contacted the Police in this instance, rather than them coming after him …. So I don’t think, IMO, that he would have trying to explain the “drive north with RP“ ???? Unless he was trying to get in first ???

Possible I guess???

IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

He said he took a trip with RP and they met two men with a boy about 7 . . . then he walked it back, he wasn't sure. One called Jones, yes, but RP was there!

I don't think RP would mistake seeing a lad at a local log dump - near Kendall Forrest Rd - for a 300km trip with a little boy (dead or alive) in his car, though. That's about a 3 or 4 hour drive.

RP said the 300km trip was the day after William disappeared. Link
It sounds as if it had been on his conscience.

I'm not sure what you are trying to explore.

imo

 

[JLZ]

Fair call …. But I took it as FA trying to implicate TJ in William’s disappearance … (rather than RP …..)

FA contacted the Police in this instance, rather than them coming after him …. So I don’t think, IMO, that he would have trying to explain the “drive north with RP“ ???? Unless he was trying to get in first ???

Possible I guess???

IMO

Yes that's how I take it too--FA trying to implicate TJ. But the next step for police might be to talk to RP. So RP has police asking him about an occasion when he did go somewhere with FA, there was a little boy involved, and police say it's in relation to WT, and perhaps are asking him if the boy was WT. RP gets flustered, says he doesn't want them visiting any more. When Robyn hears about it, the gossip is that police are trying to get a confession out of RP re WT.

 

[JLZ]

I don't think RP would mistake seeing a lad at a local log dump - near Kendall Forrest Rd - for a 300km trip with a little boy (dead or alive) in his car, though. That's about a 3-4 hour drive.

RP said the 300km trip was the day after William disappeared. Link
It sounds as if it had been on his conscience.

I'm not sure what you are trying to explore.

imo

It was near the Kendall school though. It could have been the beginning of the trip.

By the way, do you happen to remember who said Ray said it was a 300km trip?

 

[SouthAussie]

It was near the Kendall school though. It could have been the beginning of the trip.

By the way, do you happen to remember who said Ray said it was a 300km trip?

Ms Okpegbue told the inquest that Mr Porter seemed "distressed" and "quite withdrawn" during the conversation.

The court heard Mr Porter picked up "his best friend" and Tyrrell from a shed out the back of Kendall Public School and "drove 300km north".

Dying man said he drove 'best mate' and William Tyrrell 300km from home, inquest told

An aged-care nurse tells an inquest a patient confessed to driving his "best friend" and William Tyrrell, who disappeared in 2014, 300km away from the boy's home.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SLouTh]

I'm not sure what you are trying to explore.

Oh I think I get it now ….but I was struggling too …
We took the long way around …

Yes that's how I take it too--FA trying to implicate TJ. But the next step for police might be to talk to RP. So RP has police asking him about an occasion when he did go somewhere with FA, there was a little boy involved, and police say it's in relation to WT, and perhaps are asking him if the boy was WT. RP gets flustered, says he doesn't want them visiting any more. When Robyn hears about it, the gossip is that police are trying to get a confession out of RP re WT.

Yes, I get what you are trying to say now … and it makes sense … and could be possible …

I was also wondering when the news of RP as POI first hit the media??? Was it during one of the tranches of the inquest??? Or before??

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh I think I get it now ….but I was struggling too …
We took the long way around …

Yes, I get what you are trying to say now … and it makes sense … and could be possible …

I was also wondering when the news of RP as POI first hit the media??? Was it during one of the tranches of the inquest??? Or before??

Not until the inquest.

Correction ... we heard about FA in Sept 2019, because he was slated to appear at the inquest.

This whole stream of FA-related witnesses were new to us, at the inquest, I think.

imo

New person of interest in Tyrrell case

A person who once lived at a sawmill which was searched a fortnight ago is a person of...

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[JLZ]

Ms Okpegbue told the inquest that Mr Porter seemed "distressed" and "quite withdrawn" during the conversation.

The court heard Mr Porter picked up "his best friend" and Tyrrell from a shed out the back of Kendall Public School and "drove 300km north".

Dying man said he drove 'best mate' and William Tyrrell 300km from home, inquest told

An aged-care nurse tells an inquest a patient confessed to driving his "best friend" and William Tyrrell, who disappeared in 2014, 300km away from the boy's home.

www.abc.net.au

"The court heard"--that is, it might have been said by KO, or it might have been Craddock based on police evidence, or someone else. It's not in the extract of KO's statement. Your link with the Australian article (which I can't access) says RP told it to police, plus that it was the day after the abduction. Hopefully the coroner has the transcript of what he said verbatim.

 

[JLZ]

I'm not sure what you are trying to explore.

I'm not sure it's a deathbed confession. I think he's trying to help police by telling them about various occasions when he was with FA and there was a child in it somewhere. And perhaps they're also asking him about fishing and boats. And they are telling him it has to do with William Tyrrell. He's willing to believe them, but it doesn't make sense to him. It's upsetting.

 

[SouthAussie]

"The court heard"--that is, it might have been said by KO, or it might have been Craddock based on police evidence, or someone else. It's not in the extract of KO's statement. Your link with the Australian article (which I can't access) says RP told it to police, plus that it was the day after the abduction. Hopefully the coroner has the transcript of what he said verbatim.

Yes, it could have been the police that RP told. The DM has the longest part of the transcript of what KO said, that I have seen. And she doesn't say it in what they have transcribed.

Maybe RP told the police a lot more than we are aware of. And that is why they went and got all that highway CCTV.

imo

William Tyrrell inquest: Nurse's statement about patient's confession

This is the bombshell statement a nurse made to the inquest into William Tyrrell's disappearance, telling how a dying man made a chilling confession with his head rested on her shoulder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure it's a deathbed confession. I think he's trying to help police by telling them about various occasions when he was with FA and there was a child in it somewhere. And perhaps they're also asking him about fishing and boats. And they are telling him it has to do with William Tyrrell. He's willing to believe them, but it doesn't make sense to him. It's upsetting.

I think he was upset because he didn't want to remember what he hoped to forget.
I don't think he was confused ... his every-day carer said he was of sound mind.
He spoke to the police, he spoke to KO, he spoke to RJ. Different occasions.

It seems that he likely told the police more than we know.

imo

 

[SLouTh]

I was also wondering when the news of RP as POI first hit the media??? Was it during one of the tranches of the inquest??? Or before??

I think it was March 17, 2020.

Ms Okpegbue told the court in Taree on Tuesday

Published March 17

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/man-picked-up-mate-and-william-tyrrell-and-drove-300km-north/news-story/a461ce7a40f3aab5abc72a2db66a3626

The court heard"--that is, it might have been said by KO, or it might have been Craddock based on police evidence,

From the same article, in inverted commas ….

Ms Okpegbue: “Yep … Ray said he had picked up his best mate at Kendall school. Behind the school was a shed. From there they drove 300km (north).”

 

[SLouTh]

Maybe RP told the police a lot more than we are aware of. And that is why they went and got all that highway CCTV.

I have been wondering if it was too late to get the CCTV from further afield by then ???? (Like 300km North)

We know Rowley got the CCTV from Kew, in the early part of the investigation, but we don’t know how far the initial investigation went in securing Highway Point to Point footage or CCTV …..as in how many KM‘s radius of the area ….??
I have wondered if they only have local footage ????

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I have been wondering if it was too late to get the CCTV from further afield by then ???? (Like 300km North)

We know Rowley got the CCTV from Kew, in the early part of the investigation, but we don’t know how far the initial investigation went in securing Highway Point to Point footage or CCTV …..as in how many KM‘s radius of the area ….??
I have wondered if they only have local footage ????

JMO

Very possible. Also possible they did not travel on the highway if FA was trying to conceal his movements. Thinking of his phone showing no movement for three days. That doesn't sound like a person who wanted police to be able to trace where he had been. imo


Requests for an extensive timeframe of CCTV footage are unlikely to be successful.
Please note: Except where a particular incident has been identified most footage is retained for one to two weeks only

Request for CCTV footage - Transport for NSW

 

[drsleuth]

....... Earlier this year, InFocus made this post in regard to the time of William’s disappearance, and I think they are valid points:

https://www.webe.sleuths.com/forums/threads/australia-william-tyrrell-disappeared-while-playing-in-yard-kendall-nsw-74.648635/post-18204180

“Actually, you would want MFC, FFC, and FGM to have "corroborating" evidence - a collection of facts and information that backs up someone's story. You want the exact time frames of all 3 otherwise red flags are raised.

The FGM is adamant she never saw MFC that morning in the walk-through video. FFC and MFC suggest he left around 9-ish Yet we have various times given when he left, especially if you're to believe CO's version in her book.

If they couldn't corroborate that basic (seeing each other) piece of info, then "Houston, we have a problem!" The walk-through video was done within a week of September 12th, so it's not like you couldn't remember exactly who was present and when. It's not hard to recall if you saw/didn't see someone and the other 2 parties place all 3 people still at the house. If one party is suggesting something different then that raises the possibility someone is not telling the truth.

There are time discrepancies with MFC, FFC, and FGM for good reason IMO.

Why is it that the time of William's disappearance has been allowed to be moved from 10:30 am to 10:10-10:15 am over the years? Not even Mr. Jubelin has raised an eyelid over this. Instead, he put 100% focus on Spedding and Savage and we now know how that all went down.

When does FMC take that drive to Batar Creek Rd? Is the timeline shifted back to fit the drive into the 10:15 am-10:30 am window? If so, then all the stories about him going missing at 10:30 have suddenly become unbelievable. Even in the police public interview in 2015, the FFC mumbled under her breath "no that is not right", responding to MFC saying 10:15 am is the last time he was seen.

If 10:30 am is the time he disappeared how on earth does FFC make the drive to Batar Creek Rd and be back to greet the MFC in the driveway? We know for a fact she takes the drive to Batar Creek Rd, that's indisputable.

You can't have it both ways when it comes to times and discrepancies. Time will bring someone's version undone with all the flip-flopping. I'm sure Mr. Laidlaw is aw

There were a couple of other nursing home staff who testified also.

RJ (nurse) who said that she felt RP was trying to talk to her about "the little boy" but his visitors shut him up. (I think the visitors were maybe Patrick Teeling and wife, they said they used to visit RP, and they didn't seem particularly forthcoming at the inquest.)

And TS (service manager) who said she called the police after the conversation was reported to her. This must be the facilities manager that KO said she also told, when Carol didn't do anything.

imo


Renee:

William Tyrrell inquest adjourned over coronavirus, investigation goes on

The special hearing in Taree into what happened to the little boy, set to last the rest of the week, will be suspended until a later date.

www.smh.com.au

Tara:

Dying man said he drove 'best mate' and William Tyrrell 300km from home, inquest told

An aged-care nurse tells an inquest a patient confessed to driving his "best friend" and William Tyrrell, who disappeared in 2014, 300km away from the boy's home.

www.abc.net.au

BBM : No, not Mr Teeling, this was RP's brother Tom & wife Irma.

 

[katydid23]

Just wondering if anyone thinks we should start a Media Thread (no discussion) for William’s Case before the next tranche of the inquest ???

I realise it is nearly 10 years too late …. But it may be a good reference thread for all of the Inquest Court Tweets, and articles regarding evidence etc

Perhaps better late than never??

Just a thought …. It may make searching easier ????

There is a Media thread already, Makara started one back in 2015. Not that we have been very good at adding to it! Some good people were adding items though, which I only just realised.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to add to it - as time allows - as some/many of the old articles and transcripts are getting really hard to find, all these years later.

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I agree that we could use an updated Media Thread.

One suggestion I have ---If you add an article to the Media thread, and if there is some excerpt that is really important or helpful, please cut and paste that small section.

I say that because when I go back in earlier Media threads in old cases, so many times the links are broken or the article has been removed or replaced w/something else.

But sometimes I've seen important info that the WS member has included on the page, so at least we don't lose all of the info when a link is no good anymore.

 

[Karin1974]

There is a Media thread already, Makara started one back in 2015. Not that we have been very good at adding to it! Some good people were adding items though, which I only just realised.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to add to it - as time allows - as some/many of the old articles and transcripts are getting really hard to find, all these years later.

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I miss Makara’s posts!