Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #78

[LolaAngelina]

DM have all the goss !

William Tyrrell's mother is pregnant with her sixth child

William Tyrrell 's biological mother is pregnant with her sixth child and has also hinted on one of her social media pages that she may be getting married.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well she’s a day late. I also don’t think revealing someone’s private information and posting photos which arent posted publicly is totally unethical. As l said yesterday obviously one of her friends have passed on these photos

 

[Awakening]

Well she’s a day late. I also don’t think revealing someone’s private information and posting photos which arent posted publicly is totally unethical. As l said yesterday obviously one of her friends have passed on these photos

How do we know a friend of hers passed it on?

 

[iiiii's]

Slouth, the following extract from drsleuth's timeline ("Taken from evidence I heard, & some from CO's book <modsnip>"):-
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52
“10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.”

Although I don't have a Media link in addition to drsleuth's timeline and relying on that alone, it appears that FM's drive had concluded with her arrival back by 10.30am.

Respectfully, AMS testimony refutes FFC's in a few ways, 1. She did not witness any cars on the street outside her property that morning, 2. FFC came to her house at around 10.40, after the MFC had returned to the house. FFC testified that she went to AMS house, before MFC had returned. 3. From the time FFC goes to AMS, to the time time they go to LH at about 11.30 am, FFC's actions are accounted for and no one as far as we know of has stated that they saw her get in her mother's car during that time to go look for him. The only person who says she drove her mother's car after people outside of the house became aware that WT was missing, is her, no one else. Apparently a part of the dig was triggered by a witness that police were unaware of, wasn't it who saw her mother's car that morning? MOO

 

[Couldbe]

Respectfully, AMS testimony refutes FFC's in a few ways, 1. She did not witness any cars on the street outside her property that morning, 2. FFC came to her house at around 10.40, after the MFC had returned to the house. FFC testified that she went to AMS house, before MFC had returned. 3. From the time FFC goes to AMS, to the time time they go to LH at about 11.30 am, FFC's actions are accounted for and no one as far as we know of has stated that they saw her get in her mother's car during that time to go look for him. The only person who says she drove her mother's car after people outside of the house became aware that WT was missing, is her, no one else. Apparently a part of the dig was triggered by a witness that police were unaware of, wasn't it who saw her mother's car that morning? MOO

Good points iiii's ... it appears that what was provided at the Inquest could do with more questioning. IMO

 

[LolaAngelina]

How do we know a friend of hers passed it on?

As l said in my comment, those photos haven’t been posted publicly. The account is locked so only a friend could access them.

 

[iiiii's]

Good points iiii's ... it appears that what was provided at the Inquest could do with more questioning. IMO

I would like to see the initial statements/walkthroughs and inquest testimony of FFC, MFC, FGM and AMS all put under further scrutiny. AMS testimony corroborates MFC's timeline but FGM's walkthrough corroborates FFC's thoughts about when she went to see AMS and when MFC arrived back at the house. I almost see that moment in my mind as x marks the spot of where everyone needs to be questioned much further on those events. At this point, I feel I need to empty my mind and focus on all four people as opposed to just one in particular. MOO

 

[JLZ]

As l said in my comment, those photos haven’t been posted publicly. The account is locked so only a friend could access them.

Perhaps the journalist or the DM is a 'friend'.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be pretty stupid to intentionally lie about when you encountered another person (such as when FM met up with AMS). Because it is obvious that the other person could dispute the time.

Especially if you are some conniving person who has miraculously disposed of your foster child, in a brief time period, and that child has never been able to be found. So you would have tried to anticipate anything that could screw up your story.

I think the time of meeting with AMS is likely the time that AMS has stated. And that the FM was confused between her initial walk down and up the street, and her later walk down and up the street after FD arrived home.

I can't imagine that the stress of looking for your missing child, and not finding him, leaves particularly precise memories of those first frantic moments.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Perhaps the journalist or the DM is a 'friend'.

Yes, I'd say that is pretty obvious by the amount of "exclusive" information that has been published from the confidential police brief by that publication.

imo

 

[LolaAngelina]

Perhaps the journalist or the DM is a 'friend'.

Yes most likely!

 

[Warshawski]

As l said in my comment, those photos haven’t been posted publicly. The account is locked so only a friend could access them.

what’s to say it’s even a recent photo ?

I wish Karlie all the very best & I can’t fathom why the DM (or any other media for that matter) thinks that plastering her life across the ‘pages’ will provide any assistance in solving the mystery of her missing son.
Let’s focus on the investigation & finding the true, imo.

 

[LolaAngelina]

what’s to say it’s even a recent photo ?

I wish Karlie all the very best & I can’t fathom why the DM (or any other media for that matter) thinks that plastering her life across the ‘pages’ will provide any assistance in solving the mystery of her missing son.
Let’s focus on the investigation & finding the true, imo.

Well that’s probably worse on the DM then. They should probably check that before they posted that article.

 

[iiiii's]

It would be pretty stupid to intentionally lie about when you encountered another person (such as when FM met up with AMS). Because it is obvious that the other person could dispute the time.

Especially if you are some conniving person who has miraculously disposed of your foster child, in a brief time period, and that child has never been able to be found. So you would have tried to anticipate anything that could screw up your story.

I think the time of meeting with AMS is likely the time that AMS has stated. And that the FM was confused between her initial walk down and up the street, and her later walk down and up the street after FD arrived home.

I can't imagine that the stress of looking for your missing child, and not finding him, leaves particularly precise memories of those first frantic moments.

imo

FFC gives no time.
We seem to be bound by a text that was sent at 10.30am, the time it would take MFC to return to the house from when he sent the text which has been estimated at 2 minutes, so the assumption he returned by then and the time AMS gave as to when FFC came to her front gate. Why is AMS so sure of the time? We have found other time sources such as cameras and CCTV to be out of whack, how do we know she had the precise time? If we take the time that MFC sent the text, 10.30, to the 1st time FGM saw AMS on the road and heard her daughter saying she had to phone the police. In the walk through she seems to indicate that he was returning to the house just as she was walking from the road back to her back patio and FFC popped up in the carport to tell the MFC, WT was missing, but she won't get precise about when she 1st noticed his arrival. This timing was close to when the 000 call was made, so might indicate that he didn't pull into the carport until 10.53am. 20 minutes later than he is assumed by us to have returned...

 

[iiiii's]

FFC gives no time.
We seem to be bound by a text that was sent at 10.30am, the time it would take MFC to return to the house from when he sent the text which has been estimated at 2 minutes, so the assumption he returned by then and the time AMS gave as to when FFC came to her front gate. Why is AMS so sure of the time? We have found other time sources such as cameras and CCTV to be out of whack, how do we know she had the precise time? If we take the time that MFC sent the text, 10.30, to the 1st time FGM saw AMS on the road and heard her daughter saying she had to phone the police. In the walk through she seems to indicate that he was returning to the house just as she was walking from the road back to her back patio and FFC popped up in the carport to tell the MFC, WT was missing, but she won't get precise about when she 1st noticed his arrival. This timing was close to when the 000 call was made, so might indicate that he didn't pull into the carport until 10.53am. 20 minutes later than he is assumed by us to have returned...

Furthermore, just to play devil's advocate, at the inquest, AMS describes hearing a male voice calling out from behind 48 Benaroon when she 1st meets the FFC and she said to the FFC, "oh, is that you?", meaning are you guys doing the shouting. It seems to be assumed the MFC was there and calling out for WT. Maybe AMS heard something different and the MFC had not arrived yet, which is in line with the FFC's account and the FGm's account. If it was 10.40 am, then where was he? I'd really like to know AMS time of return after she had dropped her kids off and was just getting down to relaxing with her book. Did she mention the yelling out she heard in her 1st statement?

 

[SLouTh]

From the time FFC goes to AMS, to the time time they go to LH at about 11.30 am, FFC's actions are accounted for and no one as far as we know of has stated that they saw her get in her mother's car during that time to go look for him.

BBM

I just wanted to clarify that time of 11:30am ???? Before they went to LH house??? (An hour after the text??? )

Did FM go to LH with AMS, before she went back up to FGM House to meet Rowley??? After 11:30am ???
(Rowley arrived at 11:06 at FGM house)

Or did she meet Rowley at the FGM house, as requested, and then go back to LH???

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Were any of the witnesses like AMS etc, those involved early in the search, actually asked at the inquest if they saw FM take her mothers car for the drive???


I know that FM was asked about the drive by Craddock .. but did he ask any of the other witnesses??

IMO

 

[iiiii's]

BBM

I just wanted to clarify that time of 11:30am ???? Before they went to LH house??? (An hour after the text??? )

Did FM go to LH with AMS, before she went back up to FGM House to meet Rowley??? After 11:30am ???
(Rowley arrived at 11:06 at FGM house)

Or did she meet Rowley at the FGM house, as requested, and then go back to LH???

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Were any of the witnesses like AMS etc, those involved early in the search, actually asked at the inquest if they saw FM take her mothers car for the drive???


I know that FM was asked about the drive by Craddock .. but did he ask any of the other witnesses??

IMO

Neighbour Lydene Heslop heard a knock at her door, which she opened to Anne-Maree from up the road and William’s foster mother.
“The mother had this haunted look on her face,” Ms Heslop would later tell Australian Women’s Weekly.
Ms Heslop called to her children out back, but they hadn’t seen another kid. It was 11.30am. https://www.news.com.au/national/co...d/news-story/c3b76e8d4fc18401ebc17df61f45a62d

Yes, some of the answers to your questions are unclear to me. I do not recall any other witnesses being asked if they saw FFC take the car and look for WT.

FFC called the police and then when back to searching with AMS. AMS had already been to the bus stop to look for WT while FFC had gone to Ellendale. That is when she said he has either hit his head or be taken, I need to call the police, which is when according to her mother's walk through, she became aware that WT was missing. AMS suggested to go to LH's after the police phonecall because she has play equipment and small kids. Somewhere in that time, Rowley entered the street and met FFC. She didn't get in his car to go to the house but said she would meet him up there. He 1st encountered MFC coming from the bathroom and they commenced searching the house and property but not the lock up garage. I don't know if FFc joined them or just continued to search with AMS and her apparently looking through front yards at this stage and then arriving at LH's at 11.30am. Many activities began to be undertaken by neighbors and it appeared that the FFC actually stayed on the street until she was called back to the house at approx. 1.30pm. I have to rely on my recollection now of the inquest but I don't recall Rowley talking about the information or time FFc spent with him that morning when he arrived on scene. Hopefully another member can help or it will be in previous threads.

 

[SLouTh]

it appeared that the FFC actually stayed on the street until she was called back to the house at approx. 1.30pm. I have to rely on my recollection now of the inquest but I don't recall Rowley talking about the information or time FFc spent with him that morning when he arrived on scene

BBM

I also recall from the thread around time of the inquest that FM had to be called back to the house, as she didn’t initially follow Rowley as requested ..

I knew it was some considerable time later …. I didn’t realise it was as late as 1:30pm ..

Thanks for that info …it does help to clarify it …

Rowley's information would be so helpful I believe, but at present we only seem to have small parts of it, scattered through out CO’s book …

IMO

 

[JLZ]

I also recall from the thread around time of the inquest that FM had to be called back to the house, as she didn’t initially follow Rowley as requested ..

She might have followed him and then gone back to what she was doing? Or did she definitely not do as requested?

 

[SLouTh]

Or did she definitely not do as requested?

I seem to remember this …. That she had be called specially to come back as initial attempts failed ….

IMO

 

[JLZ]

I seem to remember this …. That she had be called specially to come back as initial attempts failed ….

IMO

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember they told her that since FGM was at the house to receive them, they wouldn't need her just at first, and they'd call her when they were ready.