Australian couple abandon surrogate twin with Down's syndrome in Thailand

[zwiebel]

'Gammy's Bunbury parents yet to front media '

http://www.bunburymail.com.au/story/2463930/gammys-bunbury-parents-yet-to-front-media/?cs=279

 

[LisaB]

It doesn't make it good if somebody's natural child turns out to have severe defects either. But it happens. In which case abortion is an option. I am not sure why it's not right for someone to have the same option just because they are using reproductive technology. All of this is usually specified in a contract. I don't know what kind of a contract this couple had with a surrogate, but sometimes a surrogate will agree to abortion in a contract but refuse to actually have one. In which case it can not be forced.

In general, it is not totally unheard of to "reduce" a pregnancy resulting from using reproductive technology if there are too many embryos. This can occur when too many fertilized eggs are implanted with the assumption some will be lost (and aren't) or when the implanted embryo/embryos split into triplets or more. So abortion and reproductive technology frequently go hand in hand.
ETA: In cases of reduction, often the smallest or weakest is the one eliminated, but even that small, weak child may be free of defects.

A friend had his children via IVF. They had 22 embryos and implanted 2. One split. The doctors wanted to reduce, but when they looked more closely, the smallest baby with the weakest heartbeat seemed to be the one holding the others in place. If not for her, the pregnancy would have been lost completely. They had all three and the little one has some vision problems, but all in all they are healthy and well-loved.

 

[fedfan4life]

This world is doomed...

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think the bio parents should decide. The goal should always be to produce healthy viable intelligent children, and if parents understandably do NOT want to have offspring with severe disabilities it should absolutely be their right to choose, if the baby is not capable of surviving without serious medical intervention at birth then the parents should also be able to decline any medical intervention.

I also believe that the parents should be responsible for the costs associated with raising their offspring.

There was a time when having a mentally or physically disabled child was seen as a very sad and unfortunate thing, now it seems folks are PROUD to let the world know they have birthed children with all sorts of genetic problems, they feel it is some sort of great accomplishment that they must share with everyone that will listen!

Not everyone thinks it is a great thing, far from it.

My god .. OK a friend of mine just had a baby girl, there was a problem during the birth and the baby was starved of oxygen for a number of minutes, the baby has some brain paralysis and has suffered seizures and they are going to have to see how she goes in meeting her developmental milestones to find out how disabled she will be.

Here is the thing, for a few days at first there was the obvious shock, but at the same time the love for their daughter grew so much they were taken aback by it, so for the first days there was no photographs or updates, yet now my FB timeline is flooded with pictures of their baby, every different facial expression, having a bath, feeding without tubes for the first time, different outfits .. you name it.

That could be taken as pride that the baby has issues .. but in reality, it's just love. I think the people who have the children with genetic issues feel the same way, they EXPECTED to be burdened, and unhappy if they had a child with issues UNTIL THEY HAD THEM, then the love was so strong they had to share, perhaps they share to tell other people that kids with special needs are a blessing, perhaps they share so much in the hope that there will be less prejudice displayed towards their child, and others like them as they grow up, if they tell the world how wonderful they are.

I wish they were right about that, but reading this thread just makes me wonder if we're not getting more and more prejudiced as time goes on .. what a damned shame that is.

 

[gxm]

^Exactly. Women aren't vessels and babies aren't commodities. If you go to great lengths to have a child you get what you're given. It shouldn't be like a commercial product that you can return if it's faulty, it's a human being you have responsibility for (not to mention responsibility towards the poor woman who they were exploiting). Leaving him to a life of poverty at best, and slow death or abandonment at worst is cold. This woman shames them even though she has next to nothing.

When a woman takes money to be a surrogate, then technically she, and the baby, are commodities. They are something that someone is purchasing (a womb and a child). IMO, it's deeply problematic that poor women are being used this way.

 

[gitana1]

If they only had one child, what more to the story could there be? And if there were more to the story, why not say what it was? Sound like they don't want to admit it.

Exactly.

I think there will come a time when people stop being bleeding hearts and realize that attempting to keep everyone alive is the wrong thing to do. One day, our resources will be gone. They are already dwindling. If a life cannot be lived to a full extent happily healthy, that's not a life. One day we will be forced to do the correct things, decisions like this and worse. There won't be enough food or room. Defects should not be bred. Not in people, or animals. Defects, whether congenital or not, shouldn't always just be. One day society will Hv to make the right choice, not one that saddles a couple with thousands in debt for so called care. Jmo.

<modsnip>

No "defects" were bred in this case. The child's chromosomal issue simply happened. And I'm sure there are millions of parents who would take issue with your contention that their disabled child is "a life [that] cannot be lived to a full extent".

Civilized society, true humanity, rejects arguments such as yours.

After having a blessed little girl in my life with Down Syndrome, I can't help but wonder who exactly is "defective"..... her..... who loves unconditionally, lights up a room with her contagious smile, and never struggles to make a friend? Or those of us with typical chromosomes who struggle to see the value in someone if they aren't perfect?

God bless you and thank you.

New information has come to light tonight on the couple at the centre of the baby Gammy surrogacy scandal.

'The man in question has a conviction for indecently dealing with a child under the age of 13.'

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/...y-dad-has-sex-convictions#0UWurxWXx3SkfwHe.99

Gammy may turn out to be the lucky one. In my opinion.

Seriously. Oh and the "mother" of the twins says her husband is a "good man". Everyone makes "mistakes"... like molesting small children. http://www.9news.com.au/World/2014/08/04/20/53/baby-gammy-dad-has-sex-convictions

 

[gitana1]

When a woman takes money to be a surrogate, then technically she, and the baby, are commodities. They are something that someone is purchasing (a womb and a child). IMO, it's deeply problematic that poor women are being used this way.

I disagree. A commodity is a good or service. Goods are material items, not babies. There is a commodity here but it is the service of being a surrogate, not the actual human beings involved.

 

[Ausgirl]

Oh and the "mother" of the twins says her husband is a "good man". Everyone makes "mistakes"... like molesting small children. http://www.9news.com.au/World/2014/08/04/20/53/baby-gammy-dad-has-sex-convictions

:facepalm:

Never fails to leave me speechless, that.

 

[Meryl12]

'Gammy's Bunbury parents yet to front media '

http://www.bunburymail.com.au/story/2463930/gammys-bunbury-parents-yet-to-front-media/?cs=279

The way this reads, the authorities have shut down the surrogacy business in Thailand. This incident caused the laws to be changed. From now there is no surrogacy in Thailand.
I praise the Thai government for that. These ruthless calculating people exploited a very young naive Thai lady and very nearly ruined her life........:cat:

 

[Meryl12]

This world is doomed...

I agree with you, this world is definitely doomed.
I worked that out when I was a very young child, I can remember when I realised it and I am certain that I had not yet started school. Everything that has happened since then only confirmes that is right. The world has not got better since I was only four or five years old, it has only got worse, much worse.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is so disturbing on so many levels... I can't even form any sort of comment.....

 

[Meryl12]

Exactly.

Seriously. Oh and the "mother" of the twins says her husband is a "good man". Everyone makes "mistakes"... like molesting small children. http://www.9news.com.au/World/2014/08/04/20/53/baby-gammy-dad-has-sex-convictions

It never fails to surpirse me how many women know their husbands are pedophiles, but they still defend and protect them because pedophiles are cunning enough to give their wives a good comfortable lifestyle. What their wives are protecting is their own comfortable lifestyle, whilst knowing the suffering of their husbands victims.
Ugh.......:sick:

 

[human]

Exactly.



<modsnip>

No "defects" were bred in this case. The child's chromosomal issue simply happened. And I'm sure there are millions of parents who would take issue with your contention that their disabled child is "a life [that] cannot be lived to a full extent".

Civilized society, true humanity, rejects arguments such as yours.



God bless you and thank you.



Seriously. Oh and the "mother" of the twins says her husband is a "good man". Everyone makes "mistakes"... like molesting small children. http://www.9news.com.au/World/2014/08/04/20/53/baby-gammy-dad-has-sex-convictions

THANK YOU!!!

So what if your child gets in a car accident?

Or what if your child gets a disease?

I guess we kill the kid, right?

I love the fact that you mentioned Hitler.

First they came for....... Etc

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Parents come out with 3rd story in 3 days to explain why they left baby Gammy in Thailand: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...ow-break-silence/story-fnet08xa-1227013406177

Now they admit he was theirs, they admit seeing him, but they were told he would only live a day, which doesn't explain what they thought when they kept visiting the hospital with milk for their daughter.

Lying liars.

 

[zwiebel]

'The unnamed friend of the couple says the parents are legally unable to speak..'

'...they wanted to bring Gammy home to Australia, but were told by doctors that he was too unwell.'

BBM
'The report comes as neighbours rally around the parents, describing them as &#8220;very nice, decent people&#8221;.'

BBM
'Court documents show that the man previously abused at least three girls under the age of 13.
He was jailed in the late 1990s for sexually molesting two girls under the age of 10 and was sentenced to three years behind bars.
While serving time for that crime, he was charged with six counts of indecently dealing with a child under the age of 13 and was convicted and sentenced again.'

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...ow-break-silence/story-fnet08xa-1227013406177

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Parents come out with 3rd story in 3 days to explain why they left baby Gammy in Thailand: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...ow-break-silence/story-fnet08xa-1227013406177

Now they admit he was theirs, they admit seeing him, but they were told he would only live a day, which doesn't explain what they thought when they kept visiting the hospital with milk for their daughter.

Lying liars.

Most definitely!!!!

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Father in Gammy case has string of child sex convictions



A Western Australian man believed to be the biological father of abandoned baby Gammy has been convicted of child sex offences on multiple occasions, 9NEWS can reveal.

The man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, went to jail for three years in the late 90s on two child sex offences against two girls under the age of 10.

He was later convicted of indecent dealings with a child under the age of 13.


http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ing-of-child-sex-offences#srWoKtT5P7khm8Ae.99


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Please, please Child Services take the little girl away from this monster and his 'wife'!!!!!! lease: lease:

 

[zwiebel]

We certainly know how much bio Dad likes little girls now......

 

[LaborDayRN]

'The unnamed friend of the couple says the parents are legally unable to speak..'

'...they wanted to bring Gammy home to Australia, but were told by doctors that he was too unwell.'

BBM
'The report comes as neighbours rally around the parents, describing them as &#8220;very nice, decent people&#8221;.'

BBM
'Court documents show that the man previously abused at least three girls under the age of 13.
He was jailed in the late 1990s for sexually molesting two girls under the age of 10 and was sentenced to three years behind bars.
While serving time for that crime, he was charged with six counts of indecently dealing with a child under the age of 13 and was convicted and sentenced again.'

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...ow-break-silence/story-fnet08xa-1227013406177

BBM: And so................they left the baby BOY and brought home the baby GIRL. :gaah:

 

[zwiebel]

Bio dad met his Chinese wife through a dating agency in 2004, and went to China to meet and marry her. I wonder how old she was, and he was?

And I wonder why Thailand, infamous for its child sex trade, was chosen as the country to find a surrogate mother when the Chinese wife could perhaps have easily arranged for the pregnancy to take place in China, where the abortion issues would have been unlikely to arise? Perhaps bio Dad knew Thailand well?

 

[gitana1]

'The unnamed friend of the couple says the parents are legally unable to speak..'

'...they wanted to bring Gammy home to Australia, but were told by doctors that he was too unwell.'

BBM
'The report comes as neighbours rally around the parents, describing them as &#8220;very nice, decent people&#8221;.'

BBM
'Court documents show that the man previously abused at least three girls under the age of 13.
He was jailed in the late 1990s for sexually molesting two girls under the age of 10 and was sentenced to three years behind bars.
While serving time for that crime, he was charged with six counts of indecently dealing with a child under the age of 13 and was convicted and sentenced again.'

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...ow-break-silence/story-fnet08xa-1227013406177

Oh no. I echo what I think is the prevailing sentiment here. This explains a lot more about why the left the baby boy and took the girl. (And I agree, zweibel, about Thailand and how familiar the "dad" may be with the place and why. I'm sadly too familiar with what goes on there).