Austria - Thomas Plamberger leaves gf, Kerstin Gurtner to freeze to death on Austria's tallest mountain - charged with manslaughter - Jan.19/2025

[georgiajean]

These climbers do the same "out" route, Studlgrat, in June 2023. Except they spent the night at the Studlhutte which is closed in winter. These hikers left the hut at 4 am!! (Whereas the fateful hikers in Jan left after 6:30, from the parking lot!)
At video min. 3:30 they arrive at the Fruhstucksplatzl 3550m "breakfast spot" before the serious climb ahead. I had been looking for images of this spot because when the fateful hikers stopped here after 1 pm, "things were still ok." But they still had SO FAR to go!

 

[PNW]

These climbers do the same "out" route, Studlgrat, in June 2023. Except they spent the night at the Studlhutte which is closed in winter. These hikers left the hut at 4 am!! (Whereas the fateful hikers in Jan left after 6:30, from the parking lot!)
At video min. 3:30 they arrive at the Fruhstucksplatzl 3550m "breakfast spot" before the serious climb ahead. I had been looking for images of this spot because when the fateful hikers stopped here after 1 pm, "things were still ok." But they still had SO FAR to go!

Omg, that looks so intense!

 

[Queen of the Winter Night]

Even something very basic before they left like "snowboard boots will not be sufficient for this."??? I am not understanding if it takes other experienced hikers of TP's level about 6 hours but this trip was going on for so so so much longer, wouldn't TP understand that this might be far beyond his partner's level? They stopped at Fruhstucksplatzl but that's basically on the side of the mountain while they are climbing up vertically, how did they get stuck there???

 

[beubeubeu]

Thank you for posting this video! I think this is the way that the man climbed down. Do you know? And this was not in winter.... Yikes!

There is Winter and there is WINTER. That late January till early February is on average the worst, coldest, windest weather + short day. March for example is also considered winter, weather is less extreme and days are bit longer.

Seeing these videos from winter climbs ratchets up the concern of this event. How on earth did they decide to do this hike? That is a hard hike no matter the conditions, but mountain climbing in ice/snow is an entirely different beast. Insane to have taken her up there/for her to have continued on, with her equipment. Thank you beubeubeu for the videos. Very important to watch at least part of them.

I had sort of enlighting moment today.
Cause like... for real, they didnt have to be stuck near the peak. People would go nuts just SEEING that there is someone climbing that mountain, from that side, that time of day. And it actually is kinda reasonable assumption that omg, they must be unaware and forced to keep trying to go up cause they cant go down and thats why the heli went there.

But Jesus Christ why? Its not like they came from Greece or Spain where climate is different. Its not possible for an Austrians to not know how the winter weather in Austria is.
How ignorant can you be? That parking lot must be almost empty except for their car. Did they even pass or were passed by other climbers? ANY other climbers on their way up?

How confident this guy would have to be to assume that hes gonna be fine doing this, not to mention her.

And here is the climber's description below his video, which I found enlightening. He accomplished this accent and descent on the "normal route" as he says, in about 6 hours. And it clearly is straightforward but a somewhat technical climb requiring crampons!

Six hours, folks, for this fellow to go up and down. It was nearly 21 hours (ascending the other side, Studlgrat ridge) between when TP and KG started their climb (6:45am) and when TP finally called for help for KG at 3:30am.

So to me, this video, sheds even more light on how terribly failed their climb was. It should have been aborted by lunch time!

23/9/23: "Solo climbing Austria's highest mountain Grossglockner via the normal route. I woke up at 4 o'clock in the Lucknerhaus parking and started my hike towards the Erzherzog Johann Hütte. In the distance, I saw hoards of climbers heading towards the Studlgrat ridge, but lucky for me the normal route was almost completely empty which was a huge surprise considering the nice weather and good conditions. The day passed by really quickly and I was back at the car before lunch ..." [bolded by me]

This guy is going up the way they planned to go down. Their trail is that vertical thing up and up and up and some mor vertical up, constantly holding on to the chains that likely were mostly buried in snow.

Their timing to the breakfast spot seems kinda reasonable (to me, judging by other people's estimations and experiences and Grossglockner website) in a way that they did good.
But that was the easiest part, less time and energy consuming path. And it was so late in the day already.

This is a good summary of the routes and who should attempt them.

Yeah, but they arent even doing official winter guided climbs in January.

On this website there is an example of an offer for a winter climb Climb Grossglockner - Stand atop Austria's highest peak with us
And that "winter" means "March to May".

And thats also not the way they went, but the "easier" one.
Fixed belay bars...

 

[georgiajean]

There is Winter and there is WINTER. That late January till early February is on average the worst, coldest, windest weather + short day. March for example is also considered winter, weather is less extreme and days are bit longer.

I had sort of enlighting moment today.
Cause like... for real, they didnt have to be stuck near the peak. People would go nuts just SEEING that there is someone climbing that mountain, from that side, that time of day. And it actually is kinda reasonable assumption that omg, they must be unaware and forced to keep trying to go up cause they cant go down and thats why the heli went there.

But Jesus Christ why? Its not like they came from Greece or Spain where climate is different. Its not possible for an Austrians to not know how the winter weather in Austria is.
How ignorant can you be? That parking lot must be almost empty except for their car. Did they even pass or were passed by other climbers? ANY other climbers on their way up?

How confident this guy would have to be to assume that hes gonna be fine doing this, not to mention her.

This guy is going up the way they planned to go down. Their trail is that vertical thing up and up and up and some mor vertical up, constantly holding on to the chains that likely were mostly buried in snow.

Their timing to the breakfast spot seems kinda reasonable (to me, judging by other people's estimations and experiences and Grossglockner website) in a way that they did good.
But that was the easiest part, less time and energy consuming path. And it was so late in the day already.

Yeah, but they arent even doing official winter guided climbs in January.

On this website there is an example of an offer for a winter climb Climb Grossglockner - Stand atop Austria's highest peak with us
And that "winter" means "March to May".
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And thats also not the way they went, but the "easier" one.
Fixed belay bars...

Incredible. I am beginning to understand more why he is being charged for extremely negligent homicide, without us being able to see all the evidence. It was absolute folly from the outset, and it is possible he was the only one who knew what the reality was going to be on the mountain.

Was this some jealously driven attempt to "put her in her place?"

 

[beubeubeu]

First, lack of activity on her phone would prove that she started deteriorating earlier rather than later.

Then, you too mentioned lack of movement from 8:50 to 10:30 from the webcams. Either she developed severe mountain sickness earlier than he said, or she stated panicking or got frostbitten at 8:50 already. Now, having seen the films about this mountain, I understood that I’d definitely have a panic attack there on the glacier and after nightfall. Maybe she did, too? (Night is the time of visual disorientation for everyone.) But why then didn’t she use her phone to call 911? Even push buttons to signal SOS? At 8:50 she was probably still alive. So I wonder if he prevented her from using the cellphone or, sadly, that she deteriorated much earlier, not after 10:30 but at 8:50 pm or such.

IF that info is correct that they got stuck so early. Many sources say something else BUT what about that horrifying screenshot?

Its same time that whole Austria. So it was 7:30 PM.

Compared to the daylight pic (source):

Their route overview (source):

All routes (source):

They went with number 1.

My eyes hurt but I think that spot from the cam is kinda there:

So like 250ish-300 metres in elevation below the summit.
With climbing distance somewhat around 450-500m.

Im pretty far from an expert but that looks pretty damn far still. Like 4-5 hours considering the night and weather and relying on pretty vague descriptions Ive found.

So it kinda... almost adds up. If they were there at 7:30 PM, kept climbing for three-four hours, then it kind of makes sense that they would be approx 50m from the summit.
Thats some super human level of capability. And insanity. Thats insane to climb that much in one day. Or rather in half of a night.

I dont think that summit fever thing applies here. This is so beyond...
Like I cant imagine myself doing that even if I was capable of doing it (which Im not, never were and never will be) with any other reason but out of fear what will happen if I wont/stop.

 

[beubeubeu]

Incredible. I am beginning to understand more why he is being charged for extremely negligent homicide, without us being able to see all the evidence. It was absolute folly from the outset, and it is possible he was the only one who knew what the reality was going to be on the mountain.

Was this some jealously driven attempt to "put her in her place?"

And I have no doubts about his experience and capabilities. To do that, and he DID THAT, he climbed that, in January, at night, on one day, hours on hours of constant climb UP and went down on his own with no injuries...

On the other hand Kerstin... oh my God. Woman who never did anything like this before, her feet had to be in such pain just cause of the soles and texture of snowboarding boots, and so cold, cause no way these things kept her feet warm for more than maybe 10-12 hours. Jesus Christ, and she climbed almost two km, well over a mile, almost straight UP?

I wonder if he was cheering, supporting kind of boyfriend who would be very happy for girlfriend success and the fact that shes earning like five times as much as he does, or the kind that would turn into a monster.
JMO, but her climb... Jesus.
His climb, apart from being reckless and outrageous to even try to do it like that would be hella impressive. But vs. a person who N E V E R climbed that mountain and N E V E R climbed in winter... that would be on the level of earning fifty times more.

So here I am. Full loop. From demonizing him to digging deep and almost believing that it was tragic accident.... hours of watching other people climb that hellish mountain and Im back where I started. Maybe he didnt wanted her to die, but he still didnt called for help right away and didnt covered her. Nope, after seeing those slopes and knowing that he was still able to climb 50m IN ELEVATION up and then descend through these walls of stone and ice Im still not buying that person so confused and stressed to not figure out that she may freeze and shielding her from cold with supplies that he had available is the right thing to do, yet still do that climbing.

Maybe I just unfortunately met way too many people who behaved horribly, acted dumb and then laughed about others stupidity that allowed them to pull that off to lean more towards seeing evil, not "stupidity" as more likely motive.
Maybe not cold blooded murder level of evil, but its not like all guys who just had a drunk fight and wanted to hit the other guy but ended up killing him arent seen as responsible cause "they didnt mean to" or "werent able to think clearly".

 

[RedHaus]

avarice

RSBM
I learned a new word today. Thank you!

 

[RedHaus]

My take from this new climbing data:

1. TP is a BEAST of an alpinist to have summited Grossglockner via the Studlgrat Ridge route and descended the normal route alone in January, at night, in -4°F temperatures with 45 mph winds.

2. TP is a BEAST of a human to have taken KG with him on this climb given her inexperience and lack of equipment, as well as the extreme cold and wind; and to have continued their climb deep into the night, abandoning her without employing emergency equipment and tactics, and his horrendous delay in securing her rescue.

There is not much more for me to sleuth.

May TP be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. May KARMA punish TP justly. And may KG's soul rest in peace in the mountains she loved.

IMO.

 

[georgiajean]

And I have no doubts about his experience and capabilities. To do that, and he DID THAT, he climbed that, in January, at night, on one day, hours on hours of constant climb UP and went down on his own with no injuries...

On the other hand Kerstin... oh my God. Woman who never did anything like this before, her feet had to be in such pain just cause of the soles and texture of snowboarding boots, and so cold, cause no way these things kept her feet warm for more than maybe 10-12 hours. Jesus Christ, and she climbed almost two km, well over a mile, almost straight UP?

I wonder if he was cheering, supporting kind of boyfriend who would be very happy for girlfriend success and the fact that shes earning like five times as much as he does, or the kind that would turn into a monster.
JMO, but her climb... Jesus.
His climb, apart from being reckless and outrageous to even try to do it like that would be hella impressive. But vs. a person who N E V E R climbed that mountain and N E V E R climbed in winter... that would be on the level of earning fifty times more.

So here I am. Full loop. From demonizing him to digging deep and almost believing that it was tragic accident.... hours of watching other people climb that hellish mountain and Im back where I started. Maybe he didnt wanted her to die, but he still didnt called for help right away and didnt covered her. Nope, after seeing those slopes and knowing that he was still able to climb 50m IN ELEVATION up and then descend through these walls of stone and ice Im still not buying that person so confused and stressed to not figure out that she may freeze and shielding her from cold with supplies that he had available is the right thing to do, yet still do that climbing.

Maybe I just unfortunately met way too many people who behaved horribly, acted dumb and then laughed about others stupidity that allowed them to pull that off to lean more towards seeing evil, not "stupidity" as more likely motive.
Maybe not cold blooded murder level of evil, but its not like all guys who just had a drunk fight and wanted to hit the other guy but ended up killing him arent seen as responsible cause "they didnt mean to" or "werent able to think clearly".

I appreciate what you laid out here. The fact that he did it is impressive, and the fact that she did as much as she did is even more impressive. She ran marathons, so she is used to pushing past her body's "STOP!" point. But this was way more than running marathons. Her strength and endurance got her really far, in bad shoes and extremely challenging conditions.

 

[beubeubeu]

Then, you too mentioned lack of movement from 8:50 to 10:30 from the webcams. Either she developed severe mountain sickness earlier than he said, or she stated panicking or got frostbitten at 8:50 already.

That may be misinfo. If she was found 50m below then they were clearly still climbing past that point and thats vertical almost consistently. They kept it phrasing like they were stuck in a spot, but they might mean "stuck on the mountain and had to keep climbing".

Now, having seen the films about this mountain, I understood that I’d definitely have a panic attack there on the glacier and after nightfall. Maybe she did, too? (Night is the time of visual disorientation for everyone.)

I doubt she would see much. Eyes had to be on the route all the time there. And she kept climbing. Maybe she was going first and he kept pushing her so she couldnt easily and safely get her phone out, still hoping that she will make it?

Just because if he says “I don’t want to have a child or pay childcare”, she has a decent window to terminate in Austria. If she refuses to do so and he says, “I am out of it then”, she’d probably not go mountain climbing with him after that. I honestly doubt she was pregnant.

Well, man saying that he doesnt want a child or wants gf/wife to get abo doesnt mean that woman has to follow his wishes and dont have her own.
And its not like they always say that. Ive read all charleyproject profiles. There are so many women that mysteriously went missing pregnant or suspected by fam of being pregnant with baby dady being the last person to see them and acting sketchy as hell ever after is horrifying.

Woman disadvantage in these kind of horror scenarios is that theyre usually unaware that their significant other is the monster - or they already know that hes bad, but dont believe or even think that theyre THAT bad. They could never hurt them.
And unaware woman have no reason to hide her attitude towards the pregnancy, possible pregnancy, wanting children in the future. No shortage of people both genders who are going hard into relationship with a person who straightforwardly declares that they 100% want to have children (or dont) and keep lying to them to keep this thing going, just for the sake of convenience.

Vasectomy is reversible and cost like 1000$. Thats like a month? Two months of very modest child support. No forseen reasonable reason why guys who dont want kids to not go for that. Its not a dangerous procedure. Doesnt hurt anyone, including them. But its not how they think.

Lets say woman says she suspects that shes pregnant. She may not even be sure yet. Or she is, whatever. Guy says that she doesnt want the kid or to pay child support, hes out or wants her to get abo. Shes shocked, cant believe he treats her like that. Obviously she wont join any risky activity if he will keep acting same way. But for him - acting same way doesnt bring him closer to not having a child and not paying child support. So they change, they apologize, they pull on an act till women feel safe again cause obviously she wants to feel safe with him again (usually). And thats when theyre hitting them in the stomach, poisoning to cause miscarry or go for the old fashioned classic "she ran away with a sailor" and nobody ever sees her again.

If she was pregnant, autopsy told that.
Autopsy wont tell if he was thinking that she may be pregnant. In a theoretical scenario, guy who doesnt want kids but pushes the relationship with a woman who do wouldnt neccessary ask. And Im not even speculating that Thomas may did that. Just that... we are really ruling out all good, decent, semi decent, and worthless boyfriends. In a scenario with considered get-out-of-pregnancy murderer there is no need to consider any sort of normal human being behavior or motive prior. It wouldnt be cool guy turned monster but monster in disguise turned monster in action.

Some women really hate the possibility of being treated like theyre sick while theyre pregnant so theyre not slowing down as long as possible. I doubt that any pregnant woman would consciously go for THIS climb but I think at least a few could go, if under impression thats much much easier climb. Like a thing that you can easily do in few hours if youre in good shape and then ski to the hut for a dinner.

We don’t know their dynamics. Were they living together? Did they have a common budget? Was he counting every euro?
And this I can imagine. I have seen the strangest situations occurring due to guys’ avarice.

And we most likely wont know even if the dynamic there was horrible. If they were able to find some evidence to support that, they wouldnt go with just negligent manslaugher where even if found guilty he probably wont do any prison time.

 

[beubeubeu]

1. TP is a BEAST of an alpinist to have summited Grossglockner via the Studlgrat Ridge route and descended the normal route alone in January, at night, in -4°F temperatures with 45 mph winds.

Seriously, with that sudden interest in climbing youtube started suggesting me Mount Everest climbing video and now Im ready to make that comparison I thought is too much two days ago and say that I saw summer route on Mount Everest that looked like easier climb than one-day non stop January Stüdlgrat route climb done mostly at night.
Uncomparable comparison cause of elevation but also uncomparable cause they climb very little per day, keep adjusting all the time, and nobody goes there in shoes that are causing pain by default and cant keep feet warm, or at the very beggining on their climbing journey.

And seriously part II.

I tend to assume that most people reading this thread are not climbers experienced with Stüdlgrat route on Grossglockner.
Anyone feels confident to tell, after looking at first few minutes of these youtube videos which path people are going for?

Was Kerstin aware that theyre going for longest, hardest possible route, impossible to do before the sundown?
Was she?
Cause considering how far she made on that hellish route we can confidently conclude that she would easily climb the "normal" route to the summit and descend back to the point where she could safely ski through (not very steep or wild slope - not that its super easy, but its not crazy dangerous) to the hut likely in time for early dinner and before her shoes would give up on keeping her feet warm.

Cause first: I surely cant
And second: Jesus Christ Ive found another video.

Its in German with no translation available but there is a great animation in the beginning.
Guys are starting from Lucknerhaus (that hut is closed in Winter)
Kerstin had to go from parking lot even farther away.
Then theyre going up along Stüdlgrat and down the normal route near Erzherzog-Johann hutte
THIS IS THE SAME ROUTE, it looks like for good few km/miles through the first hiking part of way up it could be same route - hellish Stüdlgrat on the left, very hard normal route on the right.

Jesus, she must be thinking theyre going the second route.
And he must be telling her that theyre going there.
Thats the only way her carrying a splitboard and wearing snowboarding shoes makes sense.

 

[beubeubeu]

So... is he sociopathic and sadistic enough to trick her into going Stüdlgrat to hurt her or kill her with no whitnesses?

Or by "bad luck" (or unfortunate events or hovewer it was phrased by his lawyer, I cant care anymore) he meant that he didnt want to hurt her but mixed up their routes and is so insanely egotic, egoistic and sadistic that he kept pushing through even as he realized thats not the way they were supposed to go?

 

[georgiajean]

Seriously, with that sudden interest in climbing youtube started suggesting me Mount Everest climbing video and now Im ready to make that comparison I thought is too much two days ago and say that I saw summer route on Mount Everest that looked like easier climb than one-day non stop January Stüdlgrat route climb done mostly at night.
Uncomparable comparison cause of elevation but also uncomparable cause they climb very little per day, keep adjusting all the time, and nobody goes there in shoes that are causing pain by default and cant keep feet warm, or at the very beggining on their climbing journey.

And seriously part II.

I tend to assume that most people reading this thread are not climbers experienced with Stüdlgrat route on Grossglockner.
Anyone feels confident to tell, after looking at first few minutes of these youtube videos which path people are going for?

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Was Kerstin aware that theyre going for longest, hardest possible route, impossible to do before the sundown?
Was she?
Cause considering how far she made on that hellish route we can confidently conclude that she would easily climb the "normal" route to the summit and descend back to the point where she could safely ski through (not very steep or wild slope - not that its super easy, but its not crazy dangerous) to the hut likely in time for early dinner and before her shoes would give up on keeping her feet warm.

Cause first: I surely cant
And second: Jesus Christ Ive found another video.

Its in German with no translation available but there is a great animation in the beginning.
Guys are starting from Lucknerhaus (that hut is closed in Winter)
Kerstin had to go from parking lot even farther away.
Then theyre going up along Stüdlgrat and down the normal route near Erzherzog-Johann hutte
THIS IS THE SAME ROUTE, it looks like for good few km/miles through the first hiking part of way up it could be same route - hellish Stüdlgrat on the left, very hard normal route on the right.

Jesus, she must be thinking theyre going the second route.
And he must be telling her that theyre going there.
Thats the only way her carrying a splitboard and wearing snowboarding shoes makes sense.

I have yet to see a climber taking skis/split board up the Stüdlgrat. All the ones with skis are going up the "Normal" route. It is one reason why the winter climb on this mountain would be a choice, I think, because it makes the crossing of the snow so much easier.

 

[Queen of the Winter Night]

Am I still missing something...is it common to be actively climbing the mountain after sundown in darkness during the night???

 

[georgiajean]

Thorough evaluation of how to climb the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge Route in this video.

They climbed in October and the Stüdlhütte was closed for the season. They stayed in the Winter Hut.

Here are the notes given below the video, which gives a clearer understanding of what they were up against. It was chilling to see that at 50 meters before the summit, things ease a bit. That is where they found her.

There is excellent footage of "the breakfast place" mentioned in other articles. There is a yellow sign there. I would like to know what it says! In the video, he says that bailing out after this ledge is very hard, so you have to have a hard conversation about whether everyone is good to go. (Makes me wonder if he really did have that conversation with her. Because he indicated they were good to go, and then suddenly she was no longer good to go but they couldn't go back...)

You approach the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge by parking at the parking lot near Lucknerhaus and hike up towards the Stüdlhütte. This hike takes about 2-3 hours based on your condition. Based on when you climb the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge you can either stay in the summer hut or the winter hut.When you are ready to be alpine climbing the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge head up the loose scree path across the Stüdlhütte for around 200m before crossing the moraine and then follow the right hand side of the glacier for a few hundred metres to the start of the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge. You can break the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge into three overall climbing sections.The first section is rather easy and mostly involves grade 1 and 2 climbing with a few grade 3 sections. You climb the lefthand side of Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge and most can be climbed by moving together. There are some iron pikes and a few bolts, but I placed several cams as extra protection despite the low grade.The second starts at The Fruhstuck Platz – the Breakfast Ledge! The Grossglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge intensifies, and we had to pitch a few or the harder sections. There are several A0 sequences too with fixed rope to pull in.The final section is the summit. The Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge easens out abot 50 meters before the summit, and you will soon see the big cross on the summit!You descent the Großglockner Stüdlgrat Ridge via the Kleinerglockner and this should not be underestimated! There are more loose rock and probably ice and snow too, and with the many people ascending via the Normal Route to the Kleinerglocker, passing other teams increases risk.

 

[beubeubeu]

Am I still missing something...is it common to be actively climbing the mountain after sundown in darkness during the night???

Absolutely not. Not this mountain, not this time of year.

 

[beubeubeu]

There is not much more for me to sleuth.

You think?

DM me or google search pictures of him still available on google but deleted from socials and other websites.

Lo an behold, there is a picture of Thomas, standing below the peak of Grossglockner, with its twin peak visible behind (which means taken on the "normal" route).

No way to check when it was added, you think he climbed there again this Summer and felt like sharing the pic online while investigated for negligence in Kerstin's death or was he there before?
Gotta wonder, right? Both pretty eerie, right?

You think that's all?
Cause at this point I thought that its not gonna hurt to check what pics of him I will see if I will put a filter to "before January 2025".
Guess what Im looking at now.
Guess if it is another picture of Thomas, in totally different outfit, looking at the Grossglockner peak from the Stüdlgrat's side with still visible through a dead link description "here it is quick summary from freeclimbing Austrian highest peak, Grossglockner through Stüdlgrat".
And if you guess "yes" then you will be partially wrong, cause that was actually a thumbnail from a video.

Somebody asked here earlier for receips for his experience.
Well, he climbed Grossglockner at least twice before, and before January 2025 felt confident enough to climb Stüdlgrat free hand - so no ropes, no fixed belay bars.
He knew damn well what hes doing. IMO.
He aint stupid, hes evil. IMO.

 

[Charlot123]

That may be misinfo. If she was found 50m below then they were clearly still climbing past that point and thats vertical almost consistently. They kept it phrasing like they were stuck in a spot, but they might mean "stuck on the mountain and had to keep climbing".

I doubt she would see much. Eyes had to be on the route all the time there. And she kept climbing. Maybe she was going first and he kept pushing her so she couldnt easily and safely get her phone out, still hoping that she will make it?

Well, man saying that he doesnt want a child or wants gf/wife to get abo doesnt mean that woman has to follow his wishes and dont have her own.
And its not like they always say that. Ive read all charleyproject profiles. There are so many women that mysteriously went missing pregnant or suspected by fam of being pregnant with baby dady being the last person to see them and acting sketchy as hell ever after is horrifying.

Woman disadvantage in these kind of horror scenarios is that theyre usually unaware that their significant other is the monster - or they already know that hes bad, but dont believe or even think that theyre THAT bad. They could never hurt them.
And unaware woman have no reason to hide her attitude towards the pregnancy, possible pregnancy, wanting children in the future. No shortage of people both genders who are going hard into relationship with a person who straightforwardly declares that they 100% want to have children (or dont) and keep lying to them to keep this thing going, just for the sake of convenience.

Vasectomy is reversible and cost like 1000$. Thats like a month? Two months of very modest child support. No forseen reasonable reason why guys who dont want kids to not go for that. Its not a dangerous procedure. Doesnt hurt anyone, including them. But its not how they think.

Lets say woman says she suspects that shes pregnant. She may not even be sure yet. Or she is, whatever. Guy says that she doesnt want the kid or to pay child support, hes out or wants her to get abo. Shes shocked, cant believe he treats her like that. Obviously she wont join any risky activity if he will keep acting same way. But for him - acting same way doesnt bring him closer to not having a child and not paying child support. So they change, they apologize, they pull on an act till women feel safe again cause obviously she wants to feel safe with him again (usually). And thats when theyre hitting them in the stomach, poisoning to cause miscarry or go for the old fashioned classic "she ran away with a sailor" and nobody ever sees her again.

If she was pregnant, autopsy told that.
Autopsy wont tell if he was thinking that she may be pregnant. In a theoretical scenario, guy who doesnt want kids but pushes the relationship with a woman who do wouldnt neccessary ask. And Im not even speculating that Thomas may did that. Just that... we are really ruling out all good, decent, semi decent, and worthless boyfriends. In a scenario with considered get-out-of-pregnancy murderer there is no need to consider any sort of normal human being behavior or motive prior. It wouldnt be cool guy turned monster but monster in disguise turned monster in action.

Some women really hate the possibility of being treated like theyre sick while theyre pregnant so theyre not slowing down as long as possible. I doubt that any pregnant woman would consciously go for THIS climb but I think at least a few could go, if under impression thats much much easier climb. Like a thing that you can easily do in few hours if youre in good shape and then ski to the hut for a dinner.

And we most likely wont know even if the dynamic there was horrible. If they were able to find some evidence to support that, they wouldnt go with just negligent manslaugher where even if found guilty he probably wont do any prison time.

I doubt that this case is going to be the modern version of “the American Tragedy” by Dreiser. JMO.

We really don’t know much about them, that’s the problem. How long they were in BG/GF relationship.

I am wondering if Thomas is either a Colin-Strickland-like person, outwardly cute and athletic and inside, shallow and immature guy who yells if a woman is holding him back when he is training.

Alternatively, one wonders if Thomas was slowly transitioning into a much darker planner, adding an additional rush to the thrill of the mountain-climbing?

We’ll likely never know it. The investigators saw the facts that were suspicious and went after the charge that they, hopefully, will prove.

 

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Third picture of Thomas on Grossglockner... yet another outfit.

FOURTH picture of Thomas of Grossglockner, standing next to the cross with his male companion (fourth outfit) and congratularting him on the climb. And some more pics from that climb.
It also looks like Stüdlgrat route to me, but these pics arent that big and I know only as much as it burned itself in my eyes before. So maybe these pics are from some other route - but its still Grossglockner. He KNEW that mountain.