Autopsy Report - UCF Osteological Analysis-Duct Tape Info

[Ripley007]

IIRC, the duct tape belonged to AmyH. KC had it in her pocketbook..

From WFTV:

Eyewitness News made the discovery Wednesday as search crews spent another day sifting through dirt and knocking down tree branches. Eyewitness News learned of the duct tape details from somebody who contacted the station through WFTV.com.

An Ontario woman, who has been tracking the Casey Anthony case on WFTV.com, emailed Eyewitness News what she says is Casey’s Facebook page with a message about duct tape. She insists it’s an authentic page she found and printed in July.

One specific posting in late May, from who appears to be Casey’s former best friend Amy Huizenga, reads, “You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That’s why (sic) I get for giving you my purse.”

The date it appeared to be posted, May 26, was around the same time as a “no clothes party” Casey attended. She had wrapped herself in a flag and, according to her, nothing else.

Eyewitness News passed the Facebook information along to law enforcement and they are investigating the possibility that the duct tape mentioned is somehow connected to the case.

Investigators found duct tape on the mouth of the child’s skull found less than a half-mile from the Anthony home. Investigators have been very tight-lipped about what they took from the Anthony home shortly after the remains were found and what, if any, evidence it has yielded.
http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2008...ng-show-casey-anthony-used-friends-duct-tape/

I misplaced the original article but this is an excerpt from WFTV although referenced from a blogger...

Great Post. But as fellow Poster Tiki stated, it seems that the Duct Tape found with Caylee's remains match the Duct Tape From The A home as noted and confiscated by LE. Matching "Rare" Duct Tape also found on one of George's gas cans.

 

[ShadowGal]

Discussion elsewhere re: tape placed on an alive Caylee vs a deceased Caylee

I think Dr G's "less is more" wording that the tape was applied before decomposition is her statement that she believes Caylee was alive when the tape was placed. My interpretation only of her report. Also Dr Glass' psychological take from the Nancy G show the other night describes multiple layers of tape indicate rage. And silencing the victim forever. Plus, we have the nose and mouth sealed. Too many indicators that the tape was applied to silence a live child...and not seal up a dead one, imo. The DP was put back on the table for a reason. MOO.

 

[sumbunny]

Caylee autopsy reveals new clues
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...61072#31461072


Caylee was suffocated, though not conclusive, the evidence supports a lack of oxygen present...poor child terrifying last moments...:furious:

No DNA of KC's, no epidelials, no skin cells, no fingerprints..if they have them they have not shown the evidence as yet...I am hoping for that smoking gun to link KC directly to Caylee's remains and demise...

Poor baby...

I believe the paper towel that was in the trunk of the car (in the garbage bag) had traces of decomp on it (don't know the technical term but it refers to the fatty residue's that only human remains or pig remains have)
I think with all the little pieces of evidence there is enough to convict Casey.

 

[amysmom]

The "heart shaped residue" was found by the FBI after the duct tape pieces were sent to them by the ME. This is why there is no mention in the autopsy report. Those pieces were forwarded to the FBI almost immediately after the ME's receipt of the remains.

Our first confirmed knowledge of the "residue" was in the application (12/20/08) for the 2nd search warrant for the A's house after the discovery of Caylee's remains (This was in the 1/20/09 doc dump.), where it was mentioned as part of the supporting evidence to "...include arts and crafts material, stickers, scrap booking material ..." in the scope of the search. (pg. 3163)

The search warrant app. stated that the FBI lab had found the "residue". (pg. 3168)

Other discovery docs included the FBI report itself.

TY! So it wasn't in THIS autopsy report (which clears up everything for me) but I do wonder now why Dr. G (& UCF who also looked at the tape) didn't see the "residue" on it..It must be it wasn't obvious at all to either one of them?..If that's the case (vs they didn't mention it) then TG! for the FBI lab :clap:

 

[amysmom]

wow...fortytwo...you are good!!

thanks

I thought I was blind or :crazy: or both cos I couldn't find it in these new reports. lol

Thanks to BOTH of you for all your help! :blowkiss:

 

[Jolynna]

A BIT GRAPHIC
Hi Trailerparkgirl, I saw a promo for NG this morning, which is probably yesterday's show, but I thought it interesting they have interpreted the AR to mean the duct tape was applied after death but before decomposition set in.

In doing some research just now on decomp and the timing of it, 1 week of the body being in air is equivilent to 2 weeks in water and 8 weeks in dirt. Caylee was in air I believe plus as a child her decomp rate was much faster than the norm. Beginning at 4 days for the norm, putrification sets in where the body shows visible signs of decomp with the changes in the color of the skin, marbeling and skin slippage occuring.

If you knock that 4 days down to half the time, or 2 days because of the heat {not sure exactly} I think Casey noticed the rapid changes and decided to apply the tape to make her look more normal and then sent her off with a plastic kiss.

The one thing that still plays in here tho is the anger displayed by putting multiple layers of tape on her head. I'm still wondering if that means the time gap was shorter after death than say 2 days.

Sorry for the graphics here but maybe it will help us understand what happened more fully. xox

Casey put Caylee in trash bags without her favorite mama doll.

I can't see her getting her hands dirty touching a body that was seeping to make Caylee look normal. I don't think Casey looked at Caylee again after Caylee went into the bag.

JMO

 

[fortytwo]

Great Post. But as fellow Poster Tiki stated, it seems that the Duct Tape found with Caylee's remains match the Duct Tape From The A home as noted and confiscated by LE. Matching "Rare" Duct Tape also found on one of George's gas cans.

(bold above by me)

I'm not sure where this comes from. I wonder if you or Tiki might be able to cite a reference.

My recollection is that three pieces of duct tape were recovered from the A's home via searches. There was the piece with the now infamous "Henkel" logo on the gas can, and two other pieces (sans logo) wrapped around the ends of what appeared to be two shelf brackets found in one of the storage sheds. I don't recall that the latter two ever got any further attention.

The gas can piece was "matched" by the FBI lab to those found with the remains in a relatively desultory fashion, essentially confirming that they were made by the same company.

I'm not aware of any other duct tape, matching or otherwise, recovered from the A's home. This in itself elicited no small amount of comment, because it seemed unusual for there not to be more duct tape than that around.

The Amy H comment is not new news, but it never seemed to go any farther than just that comment. I haven't seen any suggestion by LE yet of a connection between the tape mentioned by Amy H and the "Henkel" tape. Hope does "spring eternal", though.

 

[amysmom]

I don't believe we'll ever know how Caylee was 'murdered' but I can't help thinking at least some of the taping MAY have been done to stage a KIDNAPPING cos she was telling everyone that Caylee was with the "Nanny" from the very first day Caylee was never seen again.

IOW!..I don't think "the Nanny did it" is something she cooked up sometime later in those '31' days she was missing..It MAY have come from that tv show (?) afterall but either way the story was always going to be she was KIDNAPPED.

 

[kaRN]

I understand this to be the hole that is left after the skin decomposes.

It refers to the mouth and nostrils- the facial aperatures.

 

[kaRN]

I've thought of the multiple pieces of duct tape being placed mostly over Caylee's mouth, one on top of another over her mouth, sort of in horizontal layers. But after reading these posts, I wonder if the tape was placed more like one piece over the mouth, then another overlapping piece placed over her nose, so the tape had a more vertical overlap.

So the tape might actually have been wider than 2 or 3 inches.

Does anyone recall any info. on the placement?

I hate to be so graphic Caylee's autopsy reports, but justice for her makes me reach past being sick.

Thanks.

It sounds to me like the tape was wrapped around and around and overlapped, like you see in movies. I can't imagine KC tearing off pieces and applying them one by one. Actually I can but anyway Caylee would have fought her and a child that age, vs a woman KC's size would have left scratches and bruises on KC, something we haven't heard about from witnesses or seen on her nightclub shots.

I think she wrapped it around Caylees head in a fit of rage like we saw in her pounding fist jail house tape.
Poor KC. She'll actually have a better chance of living if she gets the DP than if she's sentenced to LWOP after all the evidence comes out at trial.

 

[scandi]

Discussion elsewhere re: tape placed on an alive Caylee vs a deceased Caylee

I think Dr G's "less is more" wording that the tape was applied before decomposition is her statement that she believes Caylee was alive when the tape was placed. My interpretation only of her report. Also Dr Glass' psychological take from the Nancy G show the other night describes multiple layers of tape indicate rage. And silencing the victim forever. Plus, we have the nose and mouth sealed. Too many indicators that the tape was applied to silence a live child...and not seal up a dead one, imo. The DP was put back on the table for a reason. MOO.

I think I interpret her report the same way ShadowGirl.

I've read allot about the decomposition process, and as soon as oxygen stops being pumped into the blood the D process starts. They say it starts within minutes of death.

I think Dr G is extremely particular, so would mean before death in saying before decomposition. I wonder why she didn't just say the tape was applied before death? There must have been a variable, maybe of those few minutes.

 

[USARDOG]

It sounds to me like the tape was wrapped around and around and overlapped, like you see in movies. I can't imagine KC tearing off pieces and applying them one by one.

From the description in the AR, I'm thinking several pieces across the mouth, and nasal area. I don't think around and around would fit in this description, thought the pieces did go far back enough to capture her hair... I"m thinking around and around would be described as; one piece wrapped three turns around the skull starting at the R angle of the mandible and ending just anterior to the angle of the on tmandible on the L side.

 

[static]

Casey put Caylee in trash bags without her favorite mama doll.

I can't see her getting her hands dirty touching a body that was seeping to make Caylee look normal. I don't think Casey looked at Caylee again after Caylee went into the bag.

JMO

I totally agree with you on this. Not only that but if KC had actually seen her daughter decomposed, (most people do not see that unless there are in LE , FBI or other related professions in that field)...I cannot for the life of me, imagine HOW she could go out and continue to party with that horse smile of hers. HOW???? Unless one is used to seeing a decomposing body, it is a shock, and something you cannot just put in the back of your mind- JMO

 

[Marina2]

Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me of that. I do remember hearing about Amy's duck tape, but I thought the tape KC used was an unusual brand that matched tape on the gas cans at th A's house. Perhaps KC put some of Amy's tape on the gas cans, but for me, - moo - it still kind rules out the theory that KC killed her baby in a rage in her bedroom the night of the 15th. Although, she could have had it in her taken it out of her purse or backpack and left it in her room - then it would have been handy for a planned OR unplanned murder . . .
:waitasec:
now I'm even more confused than usual.

Text bolded by me.

I don't think the duct tape rules out KC killing Caylee in a rage in her bedroom the night of the 15th. Consider Shaken Baby Syndrome. What precipitates it? Rage. What are the consequences? A myriad of problems (long and short term), some of which are very severe like coma, paralysis, or death. Who are most affected? Children, from infancy to five years old.

I have never been able to imagine KC putting duct tape on Caylee's face for the sole purpose of murdering her. I can see her in such a rage that she would shake her violently or throw her forcefully onto a bed. If KC shook Caylee, not intending to kill her, and caused her to become paralyzed, would she own up to this? I don't think she would. If this happened, KC may have seen it as an injury from which Caylee could never recover. A child dying or paralyzed or slipping into a coma from a brain injury will show horrible symptoms...inability to move or talk, decreasing, shallow respirations, bleeding in the eyes, and others. Sorry to be graphic but my point is that Caylee could have lain like this for a period of time during which KC decided to put an end to it. This is where the duct tape (and the heart sticker) could come into a rage scenario. It wouldn't be hard to place it on her as she wouldn't be able to struggle. I can imagine KC choosing the duct tape over a pillow or strangling her with her own hands. She'd be able to walk away and not see it happen. The heart sticker could say "I'm sorry I hurt you and had to take your life"

This may seem far fetched to many but it really isn't. Thousands of children are victims of Shaken Baby Syndrome every year. It's easier for me to envision this happening than an out and out murder using duct tape. Though I've questioned whether KC could be the kind of person who would murder her child in cold blood, I don't question at all her rage and what her actions would be if she had injured Caylee this seriously because of it. She wouldn't call 911 and get help. If Caylee was hopelessly paralyzed or slipping into a coma, KC may choose to end her life with duct tape. She would cover it up and blame someone else. Never, ever would she allow CA to know that she hurt Caylee to that extent in a fit of rage.

 

[2goldfish]

It sounds to me like the tape was wrapped around and around and overlapped, like you see in movies. I can't imagine KC tearing off pieces and applying them one by one. Actually I can but anyway Caylee would have fought her and a child that age, vs a woman KC's size would have left scratches and bruises on KC, something we haven't heard about from witnesses or seen on her nightclub shots.

I think she wrapped it around Caylees head in a fit of rage like we saw in her pounding fist jail house tape.
Poor KC. She'll actually have a better chance of living if she gets the DP than if she's sentenced to LWOP after all the evidence comes out at trial.

I hate to type this as much as I hate to even think it but enough people have posted that it would be hard to hold a desperate child down, or there would be bruising on KC, etc but if she kneeled over her with caylee's arms at her sides, with KC's legs holding them, I think that is quite likely to have worked for her.

That makes me sick.

I think mentally I am going to keep thinking she chloroformed her then taped her up cause I cant handle anything else.

 

[static]

While I dont agree with the "sleeping accident" theory, I do think that the duct tape, double bagging and dumping her close to the house were all to make it look like a kidnapping. I also dont think the chloroform was the murder weapon. (not sure what was) I think that the chloroform, or a combination of things that result in chloroform, was used in the clean up by someone who knew what they were doing.....Also I know a few of you said that Casey "pulled the kidnapping thing out of her butt"...she didnt tho, she had 31 days to figure out her story. Obviously she didnt want to get caught but she had a back up plan in case she did and while I dont think shes the brightest crayon in the box I do think shes smarter than we are giving her credit for.

Yep, and I think that is why she abandoned that car. I really think she wanted to make it look like both her and Caylee were held up at gunpoint or something , and then taken hostage or whatever...KC would have been long gone if given the chance. The only thing CINDEE didn't screw up on was calling 911 JMO

 

[scandi]

Casey put Caylee in trash bags without her favorite mama doll.

I can't see her getting her hands dirty touching a body that was seeping to make Caylee look normal. I don't think Casey looked at Caylee again after Caylee went into the bag.

JMO

Hi Jolynna, I'm thinking the tape was put on at the time of death.

We've read Caylee's rate of decomp was much faster than the norm - about 2x as fast I think. So if she was killed on the 19th and the car was ditched on the 27th, that is a long time to be out in the open, even just in plastic bags. I am not sure if these dates are correct or what day they believe she was disposed of. But I do agree the body would be in the last stages of putrification {4 - 10 days after death} and Casey would never touch a body that far along in the process.

The bag was removed from the car before she ditched it as there was a stain left she tried to clean up. Can someone tell me the timeline for that. I have heard the 23rd mentioned but don't know if that is when the body was supposedly removed from the trunk. Ta

 

[USARDOG]

I don't think the duct tape rules out KC killing Caylee in a rage in her bedroom the night of the 15th. Consider Shaken Baby Syndrome. What precipitates it? Rage. What are the consequences? A myriad of problems (long and short term), some of which are very severe like coma, paralysis, or death. Who are most affected? Children, from infancy to five years old.

This does not take into consideration the chloroform... I can not see it being used as a cleaning agent, it is hard to use and hard to come by, even making it takes special equitment... Bleach would be much, much easier to use and easy to get, that leaves the chloroform for?

 

[MissJames]

Text bolded by me.

I don't think the duct tape rules out KC killing Caylee in a rage in her bedroom the night of the 15th. Consider Shaken Baby Syndrome. What precipitates it? Rage. What are the consequences? A myriad of problems (long and short term), some of which are very severe like coma, paralysis, or death. Who are most affected? Children, from infancy to five years old.

I have never been able to imagine KC putting duct tape on Caylee's face for the sole purpose of murdering her. I can see her in such a rage that she would shake her violently or throw her forcefully onto a bed. If KC shook Caylee, not intending to kill her, and caused her to become paralyzed, would she own up to this? I don't think she would. If this happened, KC may have seen it as an injury from which Caylee could never recover. A child dying or paralyzed or slipping into a coma from a brain injury will show horrible symptoms...inability to move or talk, decreasing, shallow respirations, bleeding in the eyes, and others. Sorry to be graphic but my point is that Caylee could have lain like this for a period of time during which KC decided to put an end to it. This is where the duct tape (and the heart sticker) could come into a rage scenario. It wouldn't be hard to place it on her as she wouldn't be able to struggle. I can imagine KC choosing the duct tape over a pillow or strangling her with her own hands. She'd be able to walk away and not see it happen. The heart sticker could say "I'm sorry I hurt you and had to take your life"

This may seem far fetched to many but it really isn't. Thousands of children are victims of Shaken Baby Syndrome every year. It's easier for me to envision this happening than an out and out murder using duct tape. Though I've questioned whether KC would be the kind of person who would murder her child in cold blood, I don't question at all her rage and what her actions would be if she had injured Caylee this seriously because of it. She wouldn't call 911 and get help. If Caylee was hopelessly paralyzed or slipping into a coma, KC may choose to end her life with duct tape. She would cover it up and blame someone else. Never, ever would she allow CA to know that she hurt Caylee to that extent in a fit of rage.

Hi Marina2 ,
I had not thought of Shaken Baby Syndrome.I have had 4 foster babies that had severe disabilities as a result of being shaken.All were either 6 or 7 weeks old at the time.It did not occur to me due to Caylee's age ,but I could totally see KC doing that.Whatever happened I do believe KC was in a rage. I think she had considered "getting rid of" Caylee before and something gave her nudge to just do it.

 

[Marina2]

This does not take into consideration the chloroform... I can not see it being used as a cleaning agent, it is hard to use and hard to come by, even making it takes special equitment... Bleach would be much, much easier to use and easy to get, that leaves the chloroform for?

Does the chloroform have to tie in with Caylee's murder? Serious question. I didn't know that it was a given that chloroform was used during Caylee's murder.