AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe, 15 Jun 2013 - #8

[Bernina]

I wonder if the roomies/friends have been called down to the station and given formal interviews where their words are taped and then transcribed word for word. Also I hope police interviewed them separately from the get-go.

SD had been informed of the LE presence before she got to the apt by Adrienne's mom, Coss. Other than that, all we have is interviews at the apt, with or without the presence of anyone else.
LE only gave the "bare bones" version for public consumption and left quite a bit out. Nothing from the AMPM, nothing about any cop shop interviews or LDT's taken by 2 earlier POIs. No invoices from DNA retrieval. No copies of phone records. No details of "in-house" inventory of items found in the vehicle, fingerprint retrieval from vehicle, Inventory of items taken from one earlier POI. The lake search and neighbor canvases are in there for specific dates.
I think the details that are lacking are the ones LE is concentrating on. JMO.
MSM is really hard to take at face value if your don't have verification from an LE source having it come directly from their mouth on camera, and then it can be dis-information for the disadvantage of the perp.
I'd put money on it that this case has generated at least 6-8 boxes of files, and numerous items of evidence, video taped interviews, photos, etc.
To change any of the opinions each of us have individually, we need more evidence, to either substantiate, or sway us in another direction.

 

[DocBrew]

Also because of the seeming lack of evidence of raised voices, an argument, etc. could point to a weapon and her being quietly forced into a vehicle in an instant, by a "pro" who was ready to go.

Could indicate a random perp/event, but it seems more likely that a lack of raised voices, screams, and/or an argument indicates that she got into a vehicle willingly and was probably expecting it.

 

[MissDemeanor]

SD had been informed of the LE presence before she got to the apt by Adrienne's mom, Coss. Other than that, all we have is interviews at the apt, with or without the presence of anyone else.
LE only gave the "bare bones" version for public consumption and left quite a bit out. Nothing from the AMPM, nothing about any cop shop interviews or LDT's taken by 2 earlier POIs. No invoices from DNA retrieval. No copies of phone records. No details of "in-house" inventory of items found in the vehicle, fingerprint retrieval from vehicle, Inventory of items taken from one earlier POI. The lake search and neighbor canvases are in there for specific dates.
I think the details that are lacking are the ones LE is concentrating on. JMO.
MSM is really hard to take at face value if your don't have verification from an LE source having it come directly from their mouth on camera, and then it can be dis-information for the disadvantage of the perp.
I'd put money on it that this case has generated at least 6-8 boxes of files, and numerous items of evidence, video taped interviews, photos, etc.
To change any of the opinions each of us have individually, we need more evidence, to either substantiate, or sway us in another direction.

We don't have the entire police report.

 

[Bernina]

We don't have the entire police report.

Yep, just the bare bones, and none of the parts they are still investigating.

 

[Bernina]

Could indicate a random perp/event, but it seems more likely that a lack of raised voices, screams, and/or an argument indicates that she got into a vehicle willingly and was probably expecting it.

At 5:00 am, that area is active and not so much that you'd miss something. Starbucks is open for business at 4:30, AMPM and Circle K 24 hours. RS's response that it was NOT Adrienne at the side of O'Reilly's (which I can't think she would have crossed the street to go to in the first place). You have just enough people around that any commotion would have been heard or noticed.
That leaves someone she knew or someone that had a job of trust and wasn't a perceived threat. The Cab driver is even said to have parked in the parking lot of AMPM having a smoke. HE would have heard something. It's not like there is the constant droning of engines at that hour, and it's an intersection. People are stopping for the light to change. You have the individual on the bike at the front of AMPM with another person. The guy who stays at the door of the AMPM. Noises carry, it's 5:00 am.
I think it was someone she knew or expected to trust. JMO

 

[bessie]

:trainwreck:

Back on track, please.

Thank you!

 

[Seajay]

I hope LE looks at this guy as a possibility for it. Rule him out. He's close to the location and he abandoned his apartment afterwards.

 

[gngr~snap]

Was dog poop a regular thing around there? I thought they were aware she had left without mentioning or asking for help with her dog. What's up with that? Who is or was in charge of the cats? Party mess is one thing but the messes the animals made is another story.

This is why I believe she never called the cab. She didn't intend to leave. I believe if she did leave and intend to return... and told the roommate where she was going ,the care of the dog and cat was "implied" . The roommate saying she didn't make plans for the care of the pets...
Makes no sense! The comments cancel each other out.

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[Violet Joy]

Just a thought, her father gave her 10 dollars? was that right? for petrol. How far would 10 bucks get you in a cab from near the AMPM? Perhaps (and I have done this before) A caught a cab as far as I could go, keeping a close eye on the meter and then asked the cab to pull over and walked the rest of the way. JMO. Perhaps A went as far as she could given the funds she had and was not near the AMPM when the alleged disappearance occured? JMO.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I've always thought (when I wasn't thinking that she ran away) that she might have encountered a neighbor that early morning when she got back from ditching the cabbie. Surely she took her little doggie for a walk to relieve himself. I'm sure he wasn't allowed to poop in the apt all the time. He was probably just not housebroken. I know she did take him for walks. She has posted pics of that.
Also, it might make sense that if she did encounter a neighbor that morning, a guy, she might have confided about her accident and blowing out the tires. She would have trusted him if he had offered to drive over there with her to check it out. See what he could do to help. If she had said "let me get my keys" he could have told her there's no need to we can't drive it till the tires are fixed.
I might have even fallen for that myself. How would she know if he was going to turn out to be a sicko! He was her neighbor. We tend to trust our neighbors.
JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

SD in the report to LE said it was the normal state of the apt......ick. Somewhere it is mentioned that Adrienne usually made arraignments for her dog, Mocho, whether it was a roomate or taking the dog somewhere else.

Yes I remember reading that. But I thought there was added meaning in that the roommate thought it was strange that AS hadn't returned because she didn't ask anybody to care for her dog. Regardless, you'd think someone would take the poor doggie out rather than letting it poop on the floor. Dogs don't like to do that anyway (even if peeps don't mind!).

Wait, if AS intended to go to her bf's place in her own car, why wouldn't she have taken her dog with her? She intended to stay for awhile which is why she packed a bag.

 

[DocBrew]

I don't think she's going to purposely ditch a cab that she's called multiple times, and up to and including the time it was due to pick her up. She clearly wanted that ride. She clearly expected that ride.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Yes I remember reading that. But I thought there was added meaning in that the roommate thought it was strange that AS hadn't returned because she didn't ask anybody to care for her dog. Regardless, you'd think someone would take the poor doggie out rather than letting it poop on the floor. Dogs don't like to do that anyway (even if peeps don't mind!).

Wait, if AS intended to go to her bf's place in her own car, why wouldn't she have taken her dog with her? She intended to stay for awhile which is why she packed a bag.

Woe, that early morning it appeared Adrienne, for whatever reason, simply wasn't thinking rationally. It's sad, but I think the little dog was the last thing on her mind. She really did appear to be very desperate to be with the BF, even though they argued, she ordered him to leave, walked away from his apt, jumped out if his car, still.....her actions otherwise indicated she was obsessed with getting back over to his place. Yes, seems paradoxical, but remember we are talking teenagers here. No one knows how much she had to drink but it wouldn't take much alcohol to render a little 100 lb girl intoxicated.

Plain and simple, I personally just don't think she was capable that night of thinking clearly. IMO

 

[MissDemeanor]

I don't think she's going to purposely ditch a cab that she's called multiple times, and up to and including the time it was due to pick her up. She clearly wanted that ride. She clearly expected that ride.

Hey Doc! I would have if I was counting on my BF to pay for it and I had called him a jillion times and got no response. I wouldn't want to take a chance on the cabbie calling the cops on me if I couldn't pay.

 

[DocBrew]

We don't know that she didn't have the money. We know that her dad said he gave her $10 for gas. We are inferring that she didn't have any money from that alone. When I was 19, I used to fill my parents up with a load of BS for an extra few bucks whenever and wherever I could.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I also don't KNOW what the conversation between Adrienne and the cab driver was. Maybe she didn't even order the cab. Maybe she only inquired as to how much a cab would cost. Could it be she was waiting to hear back from her BF before she gave the cabbie the go ahead? Is it possible she might have been offered a free ride and that's when she texted BF with "I'm coming over. " Just my opinion. Maybe.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Adrienne didn't have a job. She hasn't worked in months. She had no money, as stated by her dad. I believe that's probably true. IMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

SD had been informed of the LE presence before she got to the apt by Adrienne's mom, Coss. Other than that, all we have is interviews at the apt, with or without the presence of anyone else.
LE only gave the "bare bones" version for public consumption and left quite a bit out. Nothing from the AMPM, nothing about any cop shop interviews or LDT's taken by 2 earlier POIs. No invoices from DNA retrieval. No copies of phone records. No details of "in-house" inventory of items found in the vehicle, fingerprint retrieval from vehicle, Inventory of items taken from one earlier POI. The lake search and neighbor canvases are in there for specific dates.
I think the details that are lacking are the ones LE is concentrating on. JMO.
MSM is really hard to take at face value if your don't have verification from an LE source having it come directly from their mouth on camera, and then it can be dis-information for the disadvantage of the perp.
I'd put money on it that this case has generated at least 6-8 boxes of files, and numerous items of evidence, video taped interviews, photos, etc.
To change any of the opinions each of us have individually, we need more evidence, to either substantiate, or sway us in another direction.

All true! When I first came to WS it was during the big case out of Florida. For those who don't know, FL has something called Sunshine Laws which require all records be made public. That entailed months and months of file dumps. We'd all get excited and think surely the hard evidence will be released this time. There were so many odd angles, people who inserted themselves into the case and other interesting but confusing side stories going on. It was unbelievable really. We all know the outcome of that trial - not guilty. Who would have thunk it? I was certain the detectives were sitting on the one concrete piece of evidence that would tie KC to an irrefutable action. To this day, I believe others know exactly what happened to Caylee. Who said KC doesn't have any loyal friends?

Anyhoo, even with all the information, the role of detective isn't easy.
Sometimes police work is really impressive though - like it was in Mickey Shunick's case and a case out of WA state (I think) where a neighbor killed a young married woman who gave him a ride on her way to work. They wrapped that one up pretty fast. Oh, also Jessica Ridgeway, the little girl out of CO. Who thought that was a stranger abduction? I can see why LE has to be very careful because the most suspicious circumstances arise that make one think that it must have something to do with that person. It's uncanny at times.

So, either LE has concrete evidence we're not privy to or they have zilch. It's one or the other.

 

[DocBrew]

But we do know the conversation. She obviously scheduled the cab or he wouldn't have driven there, and they wouldn't have kept in touch off and on up until she went poof.

 

[DocBrew]

Adrienne didn't have a job. She hasn't worked in months. She had no money, as stated by her dad. I believe that's probably true. IMO

I think it is probably true that she was hurting really bad financially, but I'm not willing to concede that she didn't either have the cash or another agreed upon form of payment. I don't think she would have called the cab without having or agreeing upon some form of payment. Due to the massive fight she and her boyfriend were having, I don't think that she would've expected him to pay for it. Besides, we don't even know that he would've had the cash. What does he do for a living?