AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe, 15 Jun 2013 - #8

[kymas3434]

Oh, I'd be waking people up if they were asleep! I'd be dragging people out to their vehicles telling them we have to get my vehicle home! Heck, I'd be tryin to find a spare that would line up with my lug bolt configuration!

Wouldn't you think she'd be EXTREMELY shook up? Drunk or not, that's a "HOLY CARP!!!!!" moment! I'd be talking a blue streak!

I find it strange that she didn't busy through the door and say "Omg guys you'll never guess what just happened". I still think more happened that night then we know and there's a reason no one knew about that accident. Something bad happened to where she didn't even want to talk to anyone.

 

[kymas3434]

One more thought. Forgive me if this has been posted. Could she have been pregnant? I mean that would totally explain the enraged mood she was in and how very upset she was. But to me that would also give someone a hell of a motive too.

 

[Bernina]

I find it strange that she didn't busy through the door and say "Omg guys you'll never guess what just happened". I still think more happened that night then we know and there's a reason no one knew about that accident. Something bad happened to where she didn't even want to talk to anyone.

It's kind of weird when you go back and you find another "aHAAAH!" Exactly what you said....as a 19 year old, that's just what I would have done and the other 19 or so, olds would be saying, "NO S***? We got to check it out!"
I don't know a single 19 year old that would not want to see one of their friend's wrecked vehicles.

 

[Bernina]

One more thought. Forgive me if this has been posted. Could she have been pregnant? I mean that would totally explain the enraged mood she was in and how very upset she was. But to me that would also give someone a hell of a motive too.

Do teenagers get that upset any more about pregnancies? I don't have a clue.
The ME will find out..........

 

[mamacita]

Oh no, this doesn't sound promising:



http://www.azcentral.com/community/...earching-more-clues-death-year-old-woman.html

well, that's 100% depressing..

 

[karenky]

The theory I have been leaning towards:

BF was messing with some "girl" at the party. Adrienne gets mad and tells him to leave. She follows him to the car arguing and at last second decides to get in and go with him. In her mind, if she is with him then the "girl" can not be.

Continued arguing at BF's apartment and Adrienne decides she is going to go back to her apartment and confront the "girl." BF says he will not take her. When he turns his back she takes off walking. BF follows her and she finally gets into the car. They argue even more and she hops out of the car and head towards her apartment on foot.

BF calls RM to tell her that Adrienne is on her way home on foot and is furious at the "girl." They make a plan to keep Adrienne and the "girl" apart. The "girl" takes off on foot in one direction and the roommate takes off on bicycle in another direction to intercede Adrienne. BF will pick up "girl" in a planned spot and get her away from Adrienne.

Adrienne gets to the apartment and discovers "girl" is no longer there. After talking to RM in the yard she cools down a bit. She goes inside and finds her bedroom occupied. As she waits, someone says something to Adrienne to make her suspicious that BF had circled back and picked up the "girl." She gets really upset thinking they are together. She is determined to get back to BF and confront the both of them. She hops in her car and takes off hoping to catch them but instead hits the curb and flattens her tires. She parks her car when she can't drive it any further and takes off walking. She is hell bent on getting to the BF.

BF isn't taking any calls. He is with the "girl."

That is as far as I can get before things get really fuzzy........


IMO only...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Why didn't either of her roomates, or friends for that matter, know she crashed her vehicle after she came back? You can be on a online chat or group and even adults will post "Just got sideswiped", "Just got rear ended", "Hey, I ran into a ditch".........
She'll tell her roomates about her personal issues with BF, but a car wreck, that really wasn't bad, (2 blown tires and no other vehicle involved) she's going to keep to herself?
BUT, she'll tell the dispatch of the cab service or who ever answered the cab phone.......
We can use the excuse, hey, she was drinking and didn't want LE to find her trail, but geesh! Someone has an accident, flees the scene in a disabled vehicle, wouldn't cab services be notified to see if they had picked up someone in the general vicinity? LE didn't know she had called a cab, for all means and purposes, her car was found and LE thought she had come home and gone to BF's.........so what were they thinking as to how she got there?
But she'll keep the wreck from her BFF's but give the cab line the whole song and dance.
That doesn't sit with me.
Does that make sense to anyone else?

Responding before I read other replies. No, nothing makes sense to me.
Peeps suggest following the theory known as Occam's Razor. If the story of AS's last night wasn't so tragic, I'd liken it to a Three Stooges episode.

It makes more sense that, after the car incident, is when the bf called AS's roommates to inform them AS needed assistance. Then, at that time, AS and roommate (the one who was available) might sit down on the front lawn and discuss what just happened.

I'm having a difficult time digesting that AS had been to Scottsdale and back already with bf in his car before deciding to return there for a second time in her car. And then, after that attempt failed, a third try via taxi. Don't know why but all the activities seem too convoluted, chaotic and layered to be true.

 

[margarita25]

This is bull, that whoever did this to Adrienne might get away with it.

 

[kymas3434]

Do teenagers get that upset any more about pregnancies? I don't have a clue.
The ME will find out..........

Well I mean it as maybe her hormones were going wild and it was uncontrollable and made her more sensitive then usual.

 

[Good witch]

I've been wondering this same thing since day one. When your 19 and wreck your car and have close friends you don't leave that part out. I just feel like maybe she never went home after the wreck or if she did it was alot later the the time we were all told. She could have gone back and everyone was sleeping and no one ever saw or heard her. This has never set right with me at all.

I've posted a couple of theories so far but since they found Adrienne I have been backtracking the threads, reading over past news articles, and watching earlier video interviews. I have also done some major time line crunching. And after all that I keep coming to the same conclusion, I don't think she ever went back to the apartment a second time. There is more to my newest theories but I am trying to figure out how to write it. I am not sure if I can say some of these things without getting in trouble, but of course it is all just my opinion any way. I will say this for now, there is one person at first I thought was no way involved, but now, he is the only one I can't get past. this person in my opinion had the Means, Motive, and the opportunity if you look at the times on the timeline a little differently. When I get it all sorted out I guess I will just post it and see what happens,if that is anyone wants to here me babble on LOL!!!!!

 

[kymas3434]

This is bull, that whoever did this to Adrienne might get away with it.

Well in a way I still think police know more and are saying these things to throw off the perp into thinking they have nothing and are watching his/her every move and waiting for them to break or return to the scene of the crime to make sure they cleaned it all up. LE has used these tactics before and could be doing it again. Forensics are amazing these days so I'm sure they will get there answers.

 

[kymas3434]

I've posted a couple of theories so far but since they found Adrienne I have been backtracking the threads, reading over past news articles, and watching earlier video interviews. I have also done some major time line crunching. And after all that I keep coming to the same conclusion, I don't think she ever went back to the apartment a second time. There is more to my newest theories but I am trying to figure out how to write it. I am not sure if I can say some of these things without getting in trouble, but of course it is all just my opinion any way. I will say this for now, there is one person at first I thought was no way involved, but now, he is the only one I can't get past. this person in my opinion had the Means, Motive, and the opportunity if you look at the times on the timeline a little differently. When I get it all sorted out I guess I will just post it and see what happens,if that is anyone wants to here me babble on LOL!!!!!

I'm very interested in your thoughts. Please post

 

[Good witch]

BBM
Washes will be the easiest place to dig because they can go down several feet before hitting a rock bed. Flash floods, regular floods, that go down those washes carry the dirt, silt and sand. The sand is a result of rocks that have gradually busted up on their way down the wash over the years, and sand is lighter then rocks.
If you took a cross section of a wash, you'd find silt, sand, pea gravel, and then rocks gradually going from small to large, then your granite, sandstone, or lava slabs, and/or caliche (extremely dense clay) and last, the bedrock.
That whole area was the by product of volcanoes, so unless you hit a pocket of topsoil, the washes are the easiest digging place.
They are also the place you would dig to catch water if you were stranded in the desert. Dig as deep as you can, put a container in the bottom of the hole, place plastic over the top of the hole, with a small rock in the center. As the day heats up, humidity will collect on the underside of the plastic, roll to the center where the rock is and drip into the container.
Now none of you have excuse to die of thirst if you're lost in the desert!:floorlaugh: There's always barrel cactus', but that's a last resort.

I really like your posts on the lay of the land there. alas I live in Illinois and the only real thing I can tell you about the soil is that I gig in it, plant a plant in it and then proceed to kill it. You crack me up!!!!!! OOOPS I meant dig in it, gig would involve frogs LOL!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What happened?
I'm always a page behind.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM
Washes will be the easiest place to dig because they can go down several feet before hitting a rock bed. Flash floods, regular floods, that go down those washes carry the dirt, silt and sand. The sand is a result of rocks that have gradually busted up on their way down the wash over the years, and sand is lighter then rocks.
If you took a cross section of a wash, you'd find silt, sand, pea gravel, and then rocks gradually going from small to large, then your granite, sandstone, or lava slabs, and/or caliche (extremely dense clay) and last, the bedrock.
That whole area was the by product of volcanoes, so unless you hit a pocket of topsoil, the washes are the easiest digging place.
They are also the place you would dig to catch water if you were stranded in the desert. Dig as deep as you can, put a container in the bottom of the hole, place plastic over the top of the hole, with a small rock in the center. As the day heats up, humidity will collect on the underside of the plastic, roll to the center where the rock is and drip into the container.
Now none of you have excuse to die of thirst if you're lost in the desert!:floorlaugh: There's always barrel cactus', but that's a last resort.

Thank you Bernina. If I'm ever lost in the desert, I hope I'm with you!
My brother told me about a show called 'Naked and Alone'. Two strangers, a man and a woman, are sent out to survive in a challenging environment. Upon arrival, they have to get naked and work together to survive. Can you believe this is a reality show? I watched two episodes. Well, and I mean this as a compliment, you could apply to be on that show as you have the survival skills. Do you know about snakes and spiders too?

So, do you think AS was hidden in a prepared trench and covered up? That sounds feasible, right? Afterward, lo and behold, the flooding happened. Sometimes one has reason to exclaim, "yes, there is a God". That is, an attempt to conceal has been exposed.

Also, what purpose do the structures (seen toppled over) serve on a regular basis?

 

[cluciano63]

JMO only but I can't imagine this killer going anywhere near where Adrienne was found, once she was located. Maybe before, to make sure he had not dropped anything, etc. but not after.

 

[DocBrew]

Miss D, Hold the phone. I am trying to figure out how to respond without violating TOS.

My gut tells me that the AMPM cab driver is innocent. I believe his story - and I believe the cops do as well. However, I think someone else was aware of her request for a cab, has a cab, and she got in it and perhaps she was never even headed for AMPM (not really important in my theory). This would go along with your timeline and theory that she got in A cab, just not the cab of the cab driver at the AMPM. This has always been my number 1 theory.

This is certainly a plausible theory, but it would be much more plausible at 2AM bars downtown rather than 5AM in the burbs. I also disagree with you in one respect in that I don't believe the cops believe his story. Too many discrepancies in time. Had the means. Had the opportunity. Motive is up for grabs. Though we can't say for sure, we do know the statistics regarding means, motive, and opportunity. Add "the last known person to communicate with her" and it's pretty compelling from a suspicion standpoint. Fact is, if the cabbie didn't have an online PR machine churning in overdrive, which is strange in and of itself, we would not be so quick to dismiss him. In fact, I'd bet that he would be our perpetual number one until proven otherwise. Instead, we often have to tip toe, tread lightly, and even pander in some cases. Just my opinion.

 

[cluciano63]

I can't quite clear cab driver in my mind, only because LE put him back into the mix once she was found, and this was after investigating him pretty throughly and basically "clearing" him. So why put him back into the pool of suspects? Same with the boyfriend, only there does not seem to be any evidence putting him back in touch or near Adrienne after she left his car. What I fear is that LE put everyone back into the mix due to lack of evidence in general. JMO

 

[kymas3434]

This is certainly a plausible theory, but it would be much more plausible at 2AM bars downtown rather than 5AM in the burbs. I also disagree with you in one respect in that I don't believe the cops believe his story. Too many discrepancies in time. Had the means. Had the opportunity. Motive is up for grabs. Though we can't say for sure, we do know the statistics regarding means, motive, and opportunity. Add "the last known person to communicate with her" and it's pretty compelling from a suspicion standpoint. Fact is, if the cabbie didn't have an online PR machine churning in overdrive, which is strange in and of itself, we would not be so quick to dismiss him. In fact, I'd bet that he would be our perpetual number one until proven otherwise. Instead, we often have to tip toe, tread lightly, and even pander in some cases. Just my opinion.

Thank you thank you!!! You are speaking my language! I totally agree.

 

[Good witch]

I'm very interested in your thoughts. Please post

I promise I will, but I have to sort it out first so it makes sense, even to me. I am not very good at all this, and I don't even know how to provide links yet so it makes it hard for me to figure out how to just write something out. Did that make any sense at all? LOL! One of the first things I did do was take all the major times on the timeline and add them all up, then I subtracted the times given by each witness that had nothing to back up their statements, their side of the events, and to me it left plenty of time for a particular person to drive back to Tempe. an d he had the worst alibi of anyone IMOO . I in no way mean anything bad towards Adrienne and on several occasions have done the same thing making a hundred calls to a bf, but with the high drama that night I'm starting to think hers may have snapped. this is JMO. And one more thing for now, when I looked at the timeline in a different way, I also think whatever happened to A, happened earlier than 5am, and some things make a lot more sense with an earlier start, after all we are going on the times given by a group of kids that were doing some pretty hard partying that night. I may have been able at those times in my life to give some details of an evenings events but very doubtful on times or time frames.