AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #3

[Tonto]

What if the car IS his, but she was already gone? She should have been out if the lot within two minutes anyway. She may have already been gone away in a different car not caught on tape. I hate to think the car is his and he is not the perp, as that leaves us nowhere.

If the car was his and it happened as you posit in your hypothetical, then police would not be looking for it. They would know it was him. That would have been information that he would have relayed to them under questioning. If, of course, he were innocent.

As for the likelihood of it being another car, it would be on tape. She and the car in question were seen on the same tape within two minutes of each other. Another car would have been seen also.

 

[cluciano63]

If the car was his and it happened as you posit in your hypothetical, then police would not be looking for it. They would know it was him. That would have been information that he would have relayed to them under questioning. If, of course, he were innocent.

As for the likelihood of it being another car, it would be on tape. She and the car in question were seen on the same tape within two minutes of each other. Another car would have been seen also.

Duh. Of course. Although the article tonight does not really clarify if the police had that info for a while, or just got it. Or if they are even asking for info about the car, specifically.

And yet no video of the car leaving, I guess, or stopping. Just a camera to catch it once, in that one spot. How frustrating.

 

[WideOpen]

That was a quick reply...
Below is the response I got from the author of the article stating the phone has been found. I still don't know what to think but every little bit helps, I guess.

Thanks for your interest in the story. We've been told her phone was found, but we don't know the exact details about it.

In previous reports - we have reported that her phone was found.

Here is the article from July 5th.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/10K-reward-offered-in-case-of-missing-Tempe-woman-214412631.html


I sure hope she comes home safe!

And then I received a second email directing me to an additional article, dated June 29th, in which they also reported the phone had been found.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Washin...y-to-find-missing-Tempe-woman--213705401.html

jmo

 

[cluciano63]

That was a quick reply...
Below is the response I got from the author of the article stating the phone has been found. I still don't know what to think but every little bit helps, I guess.





And then I received a second email directing me to an additional article, dated June 29th, in which they also reported the phone had been found.




jmo

Who told them I wonder?
I am still in doubt. I think it would be reported more widely, if true. Or they would call it "exclusive".

 

[WideOpen]

Who told them I wonder?
I am still in doubt. I think it would be reported more widely, if true. Or they would call it "exclusive".

I too wonder who "told them".
Sounds like the author is sticking by their source.

Seems like most of the cases I follow report when and if the victims phone is found. I have no clue what LE might gain or loose from divulging this information. I tend to "doubt" the phone myself, but will leave it in the "maybe" column.

jmo

 

[Tonto]

If she reported it and will not redact it or correct the record, then she is sure it was found. It means she has confirmed it, likely more than once, from a source or sources who would absolutely know. It is probably information that the police did not want out, but was leaked to her specifically. Another journalist is not going to report on her piece unless he/she too can get that information confirmed from sources within the investigation. That's probably why it has not been reported elsewhere.

Upon reading her reply, I am virtually certain that they are in possession of her phone.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Let's examine the timeline again.

2:30 approx Adrienne and BF leave to go to BF's place

3:00 approx Adrienne is back at her apartment

3:30 approx Adrienne leaves saying she is going to BF's (takes bag with her)

3:44 911 caller describes Adrienne's car hitting median on Rio Salada

4:10 - 4:17 Adrienne makes 11 unanswered calls to BF's cellphone

4:23 Adrienne calls cab to meet her at AM/PM

4:43 (or 4:47) Adrienne sends text to BF saying she is "coming over"

4:52 A slender woman is seen on surveillance cam walking through the west parking lot of O'Reilly's Auto Parts

4:54 a dark 4 door sedan is seen on the surveillance cam of O'Reillys heading northbound through the same parking lot

5:04 Cabbie calls Adrienne to see when she is coming

5:05 Cabbie calls Adrienne again to see when she is coming

5:06 Adrienne calls Cabbie to say she will be there "in a minute"

5:07 Cabbie calls Adrienne and gets her voice mail

(Sometime between the 911 call at 3:44 and 5:07 it is assumed Adrienne went back to her apartment and changed clothes, leaving behind her wallet, packed bag & keys.)

 

[MissDemeanor]

Adrienne's cell phone has not been found.

 

[MissDemeanor]

It is important to note that it has 'not been confirmed' that the "slender woman" caught on O'Reilly's surveillance camera was in fact Adrienne.

 

[Tonto]

Adrienne's cell phone has not been found.

I'm not going to debate this, but this lady is not going to double and triple down on her story if she is not absolutely certain, via sources who would know, that the phone was found. It would be much easier - and better on her career - to issue a redaction than it would be to knowingly continue spreading misinformation. There is also no motive for her to continue spreading bad information.

Journalists have a code of professional ethics just as doctors and every other profession do.

 

[Tonto]

It is important to note that it has 'not been confirmed' that the "slender woman" caught on O'Reilly's surveillance camera was in fact Adrienne.

Correct, but the context in its entirety leads LE to believe that it was. At least enough to include it in their briefing to media. They also probably have evidence - electronic or otherwise - that it was more than likely her.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I'm sure she believes it. You don't have to believe me. I have nothing to gain by telling you this other than to share with you information I have received from an extremely reliable source. I only share it because I have read so many posts in which you question if it has been found. I'm only trying to help. Please feel free to believe what you think is correct.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I agree that it very well could have been Adrienne but the report does not sound conclusive. Odds are it was her. But then in a city of 175,000 she may not have been the only slender woman out walking about that time of morning. And I'm sure there are many dark colored 4 door sedans.

Naturally, I hope it was not her as it doesn't sound very encouraging.

 

[Tonto]

I'm sure she believes it. You don't have to believe me. I have nothing to gain by telling you this other than to share with you information I have received from an extremely reliable source. I only share it because I have read so many posts in which you question if it has been found. I'm only trying to help. Please feel free to believe what you think is correct.

She has nothing to gain either, and much more to lose. She is bound to a set of professional ethics that you are not. Please don't take offense, but if you heard it from police, then they could have told you what they wanted you to know. They deny things all the time. Many of their lower level officers aren't going to be privy to sensitive information either. If you heard it from family, the police withhold information and evidence from familes all the time, as to not interfere with their investigation.

I'm sorry. I'm going to believe her, as she has tripled down on her sourcing and story. She knows what's up or she wouldn't be so confident as to not call her information into question.

 

[goblinsolo]

its 147am, considering a trek out to the oreilly car parts store right now. but i dont even know if there is a reason to.


its late, i cant really think straight as to what any of this new info even means,
unless that sedan in the auto parts store is the cabbies, i just dont see how he can be tied into this case. what time is cabbie on surveillance vids at ampm? if he is on camera there after her cell died and shes not in his cab or in lot, he seems pretty in clear. did he leave ampm lot, AND SOMEHOW found salinas at reillys? the LE was very very thorough w the cab driver, and while he is not completely free from scrutiny, im just now sensing he played role in her dissapearance. i could be wrong, perhaps very wrong on that.

did salinas have another bf, or was anyone at that party w a vehicle matching the descrip of car at oreillys..? i went thru her roomies fb, her fb, and instys, no pics of 4door dark sedans as i could see...

and IF cell phone was found, where was it found? at car parking lot?

 

[MissDemeanor]

Okay.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I wonder why the BF's story is so different than in earlier reports:

During a police interview, the boyfriend, Francisco Arteaga, said Salinas got upset with him because he was talking with other people and was "not paying enough attention to her," the report said.

Salinas told him to leave and when he went out to his car, she followed him, got inside and told him to take her to his house in Scottsdale, officers said.

In every other report I have read the BF was quoted as saying they were arguing at the party and he suggested they leave and go to his place.

I'm too sleepy to find the articles but as I recall this is what I have read over and over.

 

[goblinsolo]

just biked thru oreillys lot, from both north entrance from uni, out the west entrance and back to hardy/brown area where a salinas apt is generally located at. from there, i uturned and went back up hardy south towards ampm, crossing hardy west at around 7th st and then past apts and into west entrance of auto parts store (Again!) i stopped in lot, noted the surroundings, and about 5-6 company trucks were in this lot for service use tmrw. this area didn't feel very secluded and from west entrance u can see back of ampm store. i then left area, as i felt that nothing seemed super out of ordinary...

i cannot figure out, WHY salinas (if thats her on cam at auto parts store,) crossed the street (hardy) to walk on west curb. perhaps she wasn't wanting to be on the park side. the park is better lit and feels much safer than i had previously remembered. i was out at 2amish just now, and it was empty, and well illuminated.

 

[alreetlike]

Ok. Just caught up with several pages of developments. I feel like we have more information, but I'm not really any further forward in piecing this together.

This new footage (or new as far as we're hearing).. I'd love to see it. I find myself being suspicious since Terrilynn Monette when LE were certain her car had been seen on CCTV going in a certain direction, only for it to later turn out that it was probably a different car. It may not even be her, and 2 minutes seems like a long time to have elapsed between the woman and the car so there's every chance it could have no relevance whatsoever.

The phone being found/not found. I still think this is an error by this particular journalist. I'd hope it would've been more widely reported if it had been found, as a lot could be learned from whether it was in working order just switched off/dead battery, or had a broken screen, for example.

The boyfriend's story does seem to have changed, but as he's not a POI/suspect I'm happy to put that down to vague reporting - probably the latest one just skipped the bit about calling the roomie.

Since some of the posts have been centred back around the cab driver, I was wondering again about him calling her several times in a row, only a minute or so apart. I wondered if maybe he rang, she was busy with someone/something else and cancelled the call on her phone, so he tried again. Maybe she then realised it would be the cab which she needed to get into and called back saying she'd be there in a minute. I don't know, obviously it depends on what the phone records show.

I don't know.

 

[southsleuth]

This will help (not): what is with all the back and forth phone calls. I have taken quite a few cabs in town and I am always calling them to find out where they are. NEVER has a cab company called me (let alone been right on time). Maybe it's time to put my "idealist" shades down and let my head work a little. *sniff*

I don't think I've chimed in on this case. ITA about the cab driver. A driver repeatedly calling a fare? Do people call the drivers? I thought they had dispatchers to do the checking. Did she know of someone who drove a cab in the wee hours?